Ducati Monster Forum

just giving warning to anyone out there that is bidding on item #300614344446 06 monster s2r. i recently attempted to purchase the bike, based on words and advertisement, i put down a deposit ($200). drove over 4 hours, kind of in shock that bike is opposite of what the guy has listed. frankly, its been stored half of its life outside, it has irreversible sun damage and just plain cosmetically not cared for. after spending part of the day getting there, going over the bike, decided not to purchase based on misrepresentation. NOW, the person will not refund deposit BC i decided not to purchase, stated i waisted his time and it isn't his fault BC i pulled out of the sale. If anyone out there bidding, just be aware. its nothing that stands up to in description, i just hate to see someone else deal with this guy, he's plain crooked, and has no ethic. just putting it out there BC everyone that i have dealt with, owners and dealers, and when it comes to the last 16 years of ducati ownership, never dealt with a ass like this. so beware.

Can you link it?  Auction number above isn't correct...

There's only one S2R on eBay right now (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-S2R1000-/300614344445?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item45fe02defd#ht_500wt_1182 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Monster-S2R1000-/300614344445?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item45fe02defd#ht_500wt_1182)) and I'm bidding on it right now!

Is this the bike you're talking about?  If so, thanks for the warning...I haven't passed the reserve yet, although I did reach out to him about buying it if the reserve wasn't hit.

Why would he give you the deposit back?  You should have looked at it before you bought it.  It was a $200 lesson.  

A motorcycle... OUTSIDE???  the horror!!!!

outside or in, doesnt matter, misrepresentation is the principle. your right, 200 dollar lesson, but you know what, if it wasnt for decent people selling, ebay wouldnt be in business either. I have bought several things sight unseen until they arrived, never once disappointed. I went over emails, phone conversations calling it a cream puff, it wasnt, so it is what it is. im just warning people, take it for what its worth. 

sorry, item is #300614344445

Looks OK for a 5 year old bike to me. :-\

How bad are the scratches?  My bike is an '05 and despite my greatest care, it just doesn't have show-car quality paint anymore.  Some aging is unavoidable.

did you take pics of the bike?

Curious as to the irreversible sun damage... please explain

medal parts, faded, can barely read oil level bc the clear is faded, forks, odometer encasement, most medals are faded.  i have seen enough 6 year old bikes to understand that wear happens. age is age. my 916 is 14 years old, with 25k on it, doesnt compare, and still has original paint on it and is in great condition. 01 r1100s, 44k, excellent, never repainted but cared for mechanically and cosmetically. even the medal doesnt show fade, both just stay inside when not ridden, and get cleaned after riding, and get a days worth of full cleaning, motors and all, every winter. not hard. besides that, my point is advertise correctly, dont mislead.

Yeah, but what you have to consider is that most people don't take care of their bikes the way you do.  I am super-picky about my bikes when I buy them too, and one thing I've learned is no high res pix = no bid. 

I don't think it's a case of misleading, it's more his pictures are just too small to make a good call - and you were maybe a bit too optimistic perhaps?  ;)  I think we've all been there.

Good luck with the search!  [thumbsup]

Cheers,
Adam

my 900 didn't come with any medals (faded or otherwise), i feel like i missed out!   :(

The fact that he has no high res pics is lame.  Almost everyone has a digi camera capable of taking pictures large photos.
I've been burned by other's definitions of "like new" and "very clean" as well.  

Could it be that these monsters just have lower spec finishes than you were used to with the 914?    

deposits are often nonrefundable, it covers his ass with regards to ebay fees (insertion/listing, etc) and time certainly is money.   

sounds like the bike was ridden and the finish reflects that. bummer there were no high resolution pictures, but if you didn't ask for any before sending a $200 deposit, that's not something fair to complain about. If you did ask and he didn't have any, and you sent the payment anyways, that's the risk you take.


the bike IS 5 years old. if it was free from dents and rash and mechanically sound, that'd be pretty nice.


+1

 ;)

Right -- which is why I don't even bother unless they have good pix.

As a reference, these are the pictures I used when I sold my sprint: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47061451@N06/sets/72157627561874863/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47061451@N06/sets/72157627561874863/)

Cheers,
Adam

very nice!

Damn, if he gets more than 5k I'm putting mine up on ebay!

haha let me know!

I just checked out this listing.  Looks like someone paid the 6500 for the bike.

Most deposits are non-refundable unless otherwise noted, however ethics and morals should play into this. If it were I, I would refund the $200 or try to get the sale finalized.

for the love of god, Metal.

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sorry, METAL, i type fast, u get the point

wow, im sure they had the same info passed onto to them as me. oh well, lot of money for a fair condition bike.

It sold for $6,500?
Damn, maybe i'll get the same for mine, and it's in much better condition.

The stuff you listed could have probably been replaced for under $200..

the oil sight glass cloudy?  $20.. metal parts ?  like what?  the levers?  Buy a cheap replacement for around $50/pair.

i understand your frustration, but after you've bought 3-4 more bikes long distance you'll get a better idea.  also, the comments about hi-res photos are gold.  ALWAYS ask for hi-res close up photos.  If they can't/won't/don't provide them, then walk on. 

I've bought about 10 bikes long distance.  Most from Wisconsin (???) for some reason, a lot of Cagiva and old Ducati owners there... ???

i buy and ride now, only to maintain a current good condition bike. My schedule no longer has time to buy bikes to recondition. i agree about some stuff, but when it comes to paint being faded, rear seat cowling faded to where it felt rough, paint on tank was more dark green than black from sunfade, forks faded out, all carbon fiber including the termi pipes were really faded and no clear left, it was more than a matter of just couple hundred to spruce it up. i would have taken it based on just minor stuff. but wanting 6300-6500 and telling me its worth that and being in current physical condition, it wasnt worth it. it had spent most of its life outside not covered, and weather, and most of all the sun tears down bikes bad, hell, i dont even leave my mower outside. I have 14 year old CF stuff on my bike that just finally started to look old. I can live with wear and tear, but i can also tell when someone plain doesnt care at all for physical conditions.

that year of bikes had bad paint. the engine paint was horrific on every S2R monster and 695. it was disgusting.

And any bike listed in the northeast unless explicitly listed as mint pristine condition is probably not. we get 4 seasons up here.

aside from that, ebay is ALWAYS buyer beware...ALWAYS.

aside from that, the bike looks great from the pics for an 06 monster. but theres no way in hell id pay that much. maybe 4500-5000 at most. but id have to really want that year of monsters.

sounds like normal carbon from many of the carbon manufacturers that was on a bike that got to play outside. 

your 14 year old carbon sounds like its been stored in an unlit vacuum.   


just sayin, carbon parts fade and yellow under normal condition unless you clear them (with uv protectant clear).   

Probably Peter Egan's fault. ;D

most of my carbon parts(minus pipes) came from a guy here in charlottesville va that makes carbon fiber for ducs and high end cars, so maybe his carbon held up better,i know ferrari people love his quality , im not a big fan of carbon for street bikes just for that factor of not holding up, most of mine is painted over.. but oh well, there are some nice s4rs popping up here and there around here in Va, far more than s2rs, so the search continues.

I've used eBay to buy bikes, but it has to be within a couple hour drive so I can check out the bike during the daylight hours.  Pictures hide too much wear and corrosion.  Also, descriptions such as "mint condition" and "runs great" are often just plain wrong.  

The pictures of DrDesmocedeci's Triumph ST do look nice, but I wouldn't really consider those high-resolution pictures.  I'd want to see a lot larger pictures via email in order to get me to make the trip.  I helped my brother buy a bike this summer.  We looked at maybe 10 bikes.  Every time he got excited about a bike it had pictures like the ones shown in your seller's auction.   When we would see the bike in person it would look terrible.  Pictures hide quite a lot of corrosion.  The people with the best bikes took the best pictures and displayed all the flaws and were willing to send the orginial high resolution pictures via email.  

Good luck with your search.  FYI there is a nicely customized SR1000 outside of DucPond.  That is only 2-3 hours from Charlottesville.  
http://www.ducpond.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=07834284X10K30K2011J2I16I52JPMQ6269R0&veh=24191&pov=2288103 (http://www.ducpond.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=07834284X10K30K2011J2I16I52JPMQ6269R0&veh=24191&pov=2288103)

yeah, i talked to that guy before and to duc pond about the bike.Over 5k in cool customized stuff, great bike, people at duc pond rave about it,  just pushing me into S4r prices at the $8600. Just hard to recoup your money when you go that far with stuff. i have been there, done that with bikes. Exhaust, ecu, air is all i do now and ride the hell out of it. For 7-8 grand im going s4r. 

But props on the bike though, it is a cool ride, love the exhaust. He did a good job on it

Yeah, I took them down after it sold, but in addition to the 1024x768 I had the original 12MP pictures up there too in a different gallery.  But you get the idea ... Those of us who take care of our stuff have zero issue putting loads of pix up.

I'd rather have someone be pleasantly surprised than go "WTF?" when they show up.  I have owned about 25 bikes the last 4 years, and have never once had anyone feel that the bike was misrepresented when I sold it.

Cheers,
Adam

Edit: Reuploaded the hi-res pix  ... This is what I meant by "hi-res"  ;D

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47061451@N06/6295977493/#in/set-72157628014352384/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47061451@N06/6295977493/#in/set-72157628014352384/lightbox/)

(Click "View All Sizes" then original, it's 4000x3000.)

Love your new avatar Adam. ;D

Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about.  

Blame Stu!  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] I'm keeping it though

Cheers,
Ponch

One of the few times I wasn't involved in screwing with someone's profile.  ;D

not sure if those two things go hand in hand unless u have all the time in the world.

being in the foothills of town of  charlottesville, u got to ride a lot, awesome mountain roads

Looks fine to me, really.

Well, except for the price.

 [thumbsup] ;D

 8)

But still no Yeti.  Eric.

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This has gone far enough astray