So the engine enamel is looking a bit rough on my m750 it's bubbling and has come off In places, I am thinking about droppingthe engine out and painting with a high temp black enamel paint (spray). Is this a good idea or should i just get it professionally done ? ???
I will post some pics of the current condition of the bike v soon
its a great idea.
Don't use high temp black. It is not fuel or oil resistant and it will look like crap in a short amount of time. I use PPG DP90 on all of my engines. It is a semi flat epoxy primer but holds up well on engines to heat and chemicals. My 996 was painted in 2004 and still looks like the day I painted it. I sprayed it directly over the stock finish. You will probably have $100 in materials. Use a real degreaser available from the body shop supply store you get the paint from. You will play hell trying to fix the rattle can job.
I agree with Chris completely about the rattle cans. They simply don't hold up.
I wouldn't leave the DP 90 exposed to UV.
If the bike is parked inside it will be fine.
If it's outside all the time the epoxy will weather/chalk.
You can add a step...and cost...if you spray a coat of black urethane over the epoxy. It can be done wet on wet and will make the job indestructible.
okay kool what is this black urethane does it come tins ? how do i apply, any good makes/brands you could recommend ?? I'm just looking at sites to buy the ppg to prime with. cheers :)
Quote from: Maximilianrodliff on November 24, 2011, 01:40:55 PM
okay kool what is this black urethane does it come tins ? how do i apply, any good makes/brands you could recommend ?? I'm just looking at sites to buy the ppg to prime with. cheers :)
PPG topcoats work well.
You can spray them over the DP primer after a 30 min flash time.
The shop can add a flattening agent to give virtually any gloss level.
Keep in mind the numbers of the products may be different in England.
Okay kool I'm thinking of going for a matt colour but have heard this will show up dirt alot better than gloss.
I reckon matt gives a bit of the bad boy vibes
Quote from: Maximilianrodliff on November 25, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Okay kool I'm thinking of going for a matt colour but have heard this will show up dirt alot better than gloss.
I reckon matt gives a bit of the bad boy vibes
I think it's actually shows less, but is harder to clean.
Also one last lil question what is the best tools for stripping obviously sand paper. But would a wire brush be to harsh or the use of a paint scrape ? Also are there any chemicals anyone could recommend in the uk we have something called hydromorse but again will this be to harsh ? And with the super newb question to finish, what exactly is the engine made
Of ???
Does it need stripping? The epoxy primer will stick well to the factory paint
The engine is made of aluminum. I'd avoid stripper unless you are removing the engine from the frame and doing some disassembly.
A wire brush could be used on areas that are peeling or corroded. I wouldn't use it on the good paint unless you're referring to a hand wire brush.
Quote from: ducpainter on November 26, 2011, 02:48:08 PM
Does it need stripping? The epoxy primer will stick well to the factory paint
The engine is made of aluminum. I'd avoid stripper unless you are removing the engine from the frame and doing some disassembly.
A wire brush could be used on areas that are peeling or corroded. I wouldn't use it on the good paint unless you're referring to a hand wire brush.
I was planning on taking the engine out yes well as it is bubbling and a little lumpy in places I thought I would have to strip it all away in order to get a new look finish. I'm thinking just sanding down the bubbles/lumps will create kind of craters ?
Quote from: Maximilianrodliff on November 26, 2011, 02:51:49 PM
I was planning on taking the engine out yes well as it is bubbling and a little lumpy in places I thought I would have to strip it all away in order to get a new look finish. I'm thinking just sanding down the bubbles/lumps will create kind of craters ?
Chemical stripping requires lots of work to clean up after.
If you remove the loose paint and 'feather' the edges back before priming it will look fine.
It's your choice.
Sorry what does feathering involve ? [wine]
Quote from: Maximilianrodliff on November 27, 2011, 12:51:52 AM
Sorry what does feathering involve ? [wine]
It means to sand the blunt edges of the peeling areas so you can no longer feel them.
If the engine was primed when you were done you would see different color rings of the different materials.
Search for feather edging paint on YouTube. They show machine methods, but it works the same by hand.
I cannot find any ppg products to buy off the Internet anywhere there is loads of high temp engine paint I have found. But all the suppliers I have spoken to just say it's a one coat job. Indent believe the high temp paint job is going to be hard waring enough. Could anyone point me in the right direction for theses ppg primers and top coats ? I would prefer to be able to use them with an air gun + compressor if possible. I have also been looking at the option of soda blasting as a way of stripping the current enamel off. ???
Quote from: Maximilianrodliff on November 28, 2011, 06:15:39 AM
I cannot find any ppg products to buy off the Internet anywhere there is loads of high temp engine paint I have found. But all the suppliers I have spoken to just say it's a one coat job. Indent believe the high temp paint job is going to be hard waring enough. Could anyone point me in the right direction for theses ppg primers and top coats ? I would prefer to be able to use them with an air gun + compressor if possible. I have also been looking at the option of soda blasting as a way of stripping the current enamel off. ???
Soda will be painfully slow if it works at all.
Maybe you could go to the local panel beater shop and ask where they buy their materials
Yeah I'm well on my way now asked my local mechanic buddy, just waiting for a lil more pounds in the wallet. Started disassemble today will be putting some pics up throughout the prosess
Is painting the oil cooler assembly a bad idea ? [drool]
Got the engine out after some hard work mainly involving mashed up/rusty nuts and Allen heads on the exhaust etc and Having to re-shape/cutt them with the dremel tool.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6447002559_04644091e4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6447002559/)
Ducati m750 engine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6447002559/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
I just have a question here [Dolph]
since the subjet here is "painting the motor"
I'm planning on overhauling my 1995 900m next year and I was wandering if it's possible to chrome it or polish it ???? since I'm gonna take apart the 2 heads to pieces I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible ???
Quote from: ducatigirl100 on December 03, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
I just have a question here [Dolph]
since the subjet here is "painting the motor"
I'm planning on overhauling my 1995 900m next year and I was wandering if it's possible to chrome it or polish it ???? since I'm gonna take apart the 2 heads to pieces I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible ???
I can't see why some sort of plating wouldn't work although protecting the internals would prob be the toughest part, I'm a super noob when it comes to painting I'm afraid, I'm learning as I go [popcorn]
Here is the latest pic I am slowly making progress after coating in nitromorse and leaving Forman hour i started taking a wire brush to it revealing some lovely shiny Alu.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6491636321_9fc09f95d6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6491636321/)
Half way there (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6491636321/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
Sorry about the terrible quality of the last picture here is another after a few more hours and a bit more paint stripper just the other side and the front to do now.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6493426099_8c9ce3aa84.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6493426099/)
M750 Ducati (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6493426099/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
Quote from: ducatigirl100 on December 03, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
I just have a question here [Dolph]
since the subjet here is "painting the motor"
I'm planning on overhauling my 1995 900m next year and I was wandering if it's possible to chrome it or polish it ???? since I'm gonna take apart the 2 heads to pieces I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible ???
weell this is quite a good look if you are going for the chromy finish if you could perhaps clear coat it with the finish like this could that be an option i quite like the scrathced look/finish
Tank's it looks good [thumbsup] It give a god idea of what it would look like a chrome up and polish [Dolph]
Quote from: ducatigirl100 on December 11, 2011, 09:30:41 AM
Tank's it looks good [thumbsup] It give a god idea of what it would look like a chrome up and polish [Dolph]
yeah i am quite liking this look im half inclined to not bother painting it, im just using a wire brush and the ones you can use in a drill, be aware its not the easiest stuff to get off though especially in the nooks and crannies, obviously this will be easier if you are going to completley dissasemble.
i think it will be quite rewarding once finished though. :P :P [Dolph] :P :P
Actually since it would be disassemble, I though of going to see a specialized shop where they clean to the parts whit water or sandblasting ;D ....or it's a hole lot off scrubbing !!! [bang]
Here is where I am at with it at the moment thought inwould give the cover s a bit of gold may decide i don't like it when rest of the engine is done but will have to wait an see
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6846621248_7f67f73171_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6846621248/)
3rd coat lol s (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6846621248/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
Alright, since this is a painting page, I've questions about the process. If I'm willing to tear it down, you all think it's possible to have the parts parkerized? I'm thinking a parkerized finish would more or less withstand anything, and would leave the motor with a beautiful sparkly matte finish.
:edit: I had a look around Colorado Springs and apparently there's a company called Spectrum Powder Works (spectrumpowderworks.com) that specializes in coatings. they have ceramic coatings and I think I'll see if those could work on the exterior of the motor, while the interior coatings could be used in the header and midpipes.
Quote from: Smokescreen on March 21, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
Alright, since this is a painting page, I've questions about the process. If I'm willing to tear it down, you all think it's possible to have the parts parkerized? I'm thinking a parkerized finish would more or less withstand anything, and would leave the motor with a beautiful sparkly matte finish.
Might, except your engine is aluminum.
Parkerizing is usually done on aluminum, though normally it's M-16 receivers. It is therefore, rather durable.
Parkerizing is basically just for steel. Can't do anything non-ferrous
I've read that too, though I've also used far to many AR/M platforms that claim to be parkerized and are most def non-ferrous... Don't know what to think of that? Maybe the manufacturers don't know what kind of coating they're putting on their milspec weapons. Although it's all rather a moot point.
I went to my local coatings company here in Colorado Springs and they claimed that they could powdercoat all engine parts on my bike and the temperatures the bike reaches won't effect the coating. They went as far as to say that it would be stronger than powder-coating. And they could base coat the cylinders in black, top coat in red and leave it red only inside the fins. Which I think would look pretty sweet. Probably going to go that route.
Then thermal barrier interior of header and midpipe, and blast the exterior to keep the stock stainless look.
Not to belabor the moot point but I think you're right on about the "companies not knowing what they're doing." Maybe "parkerize" has taken on kind of a "xerox" status: a general usage word that used to have a very specific meaning. Parkerizing is a fairly old process after all.
I think that black/red would look pretty amazing, btw
Distinct possibility of course.
On the color note, I think it'd be pretty sweet to. A really dark red so it looks at a stand still like it's glowing from heat. Not sure if I'll go that far, since mine is a daily rider, but if I'm going to have the engine powder-coated black, it'd be tempting to detail this thing!
I'm pretty curious to start seeing more pictures of repainted engines. The motor of my 2003 m800 is starting to look awfully cruddy
Aside from the time it takes to do a tear-down, powder-coating isn't even very expensive. I'm not sure when I'll be ready to tear this bike down, but the wheels and exhaust will be done at the end of summer! Pretty stoked about that!
By far the most time consuming and labour intensive part has been the stripping down and cleanIng up. I have managed to get my hands on a compressor for awhile, but can anyone recommend a high temp paint that can be used in a paint gun for a compressor or does I have to be thinned out or something ???
Yeah I would lOve to see more pictures of re-painted engines it doesn't seem to be something many peoPle take the time to do ?
Smoke, the ARs parkerize the steel barrels, FSBs, and assorted steel parts. The aluminum receivers are anodized.
Here is the finished product it was still a little wet when the pic was taken hense the kinda blotchy spot. Now it's just re assembly time
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7036/6889468506_41e089e9a0_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6889468506/)
Ducati 750 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6889468506/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
[drool] [drool] :o [thumbsup]
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6800.jpg)
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Quote from: Glass_Darkly on March 21, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
Here is where I am at with it at the moment thought inwould give the cover s a bit of gold may decide i don't like it when rest of the engine is done but will have to wait an see
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6846621248_7f67f73171_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6846621248/)
3rd coat lol s (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/6846621248/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
I think the finished product looks nice, just wondering why you left the belt covers on when you painted them? Would have been much easier to take them off rather than mask everything else off...
Quote from: NAKID on April 01, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
I think the finished product looks nice, just wondering why you left the belt covers on when you painted them? Would have been much easier to take them off rather than mask everything else off...
yes i did begin doing it but they where a little broken in places around where the nut holes are so didn'nt bother i kinda knew it would be better but i duno really. the funny thing is it needs a belt change anyway ??? :P ??? [bang]
Thought I would post a pic of how it's looking now. Just waning for the exhaust collets so it can go back on. Then it's ready for the road !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65183465@N02/6935479140/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65183465@N02/6935479140/#)
http://flic.kr/p/byS9jy (http://flic.kr/p/byS9jy)
well i thought i would post a pic of how its looking now. i went out for the first time on it for 3 months earlier today was a bit wet but i couldn't wait any longer. Its running super smooth now starts and runs fine. would like to say a massive thanks to everyone for there input the help i have received from this forum has been invaluable. but there is still much more to do and many more novice questions to be asked !
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7124/7116762743_ed8cf5f9f7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/7116762743/)
P1010973 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71003141@N05/7116762743/#) by Glass_Darkly (http://www.flickr.com/people/71003141@N05/), on Flickr
It looks gorgeous! I like that the paint matches the paint on the calipers
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