Ducati Monster Forum

I currently own a '99 M750 and find the power to be slightly lacking, I have always been curious if it was possible how much it would cost to swap the block with a 900. Any ideas on general prices? I could be getting in way over my head.

how long have you been riding and what kind of riding do you do?...

theres not enough difference to warrant the cost unless you had the time and just so happen to have a 900 block sitting in the corner.

around 2 years and I'm a everyday rider.

I'll reiterate what I said in another thread...get some track time at an accredited school on your 750 and I bet you find out is isn't about how much you have, but how you use it....that paired with some suspension work , and I bet your 750 will have more than enough grunt for you...

Track time helps but if he's a daily rider he may have outgrown the 750 IMO.   
I've had both, currently have the 900 and my choice would have been to start with the 900.   Subjective opinion on my part but something just feels better about the 900.  I personally don't think you are stepping far away like jumping directly onto a 1098, there's an insane difference there for sure. 

750 are dogs, for several reasons.  but a 900 could possibly be bought with better suspension, etc, at a better upgrade cost difference.

I'd like to think I'm a fairly experienced rider for my age, my Duc is my only mode of transportation so I do think its very possible that IV out grown the 750.

I've started motorcycling whit a 125c Honda cbr .....  so cool.... lol   ;D [thumbsup]  now I have a 900  [Dolph]

I ride it for 2 years ( my little baby CBR...)... after getting advice from instructors...putting my kneedown.. loosing the rear or the front in corner's...    So in my point of view if your not to this point whit your 750...  you didn't out grown  it  [Dolph]          I'm not saying take your bike and go put your kneedown!! You will crash!

I my point a view a course whit an specialised instructor to enhance technique is always the way to go to get the better of your bike....( ego as no place in motorcycling ..Even Rossi or Pedrosa take advice...)  [thumbsup]  and it cost a lot less than getting  900cc or converting yours to a 900
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That's just crazy talk, just based on numbers the S2R 1K has over 30 HP more than the 750!!

I have a 750 and an S2R 800, based on their numbers they're a lot closer in HP than the previous but they feel completely different.

My opinion, Zach, if you think you're ready for a "bigger" bike than go for it. It is possible to do the swap but it will end up costing almost as much as a decent used 900 unless you can do all of the work yourself.

that dyno is reading very high if you have a 750 putting out 79hp. should be around 55-60 depending on dyno and mods.

Sell the 750 and get a 900. Thats a moderate jump.
+1 to more torque and better suspension. You will get a significant increase in usable grunt from a carbed 900. A great street engine.

Check out Brad's bikeboy site to see what a modified 750 and 900 can produce on a more conservative dyno. The most I have seen from a carbed 900 with jet kit, open air box and pipes is about 76-77 hp and that was the previous generation dynojet dyno.

Brad got good power out of a 750 with hi comp pistons, 900 cams, etc. He has an article on his site about it that is very interesting.

Others may be able to comment further.

Are you saying Ducati rated an engine at 62 HP at the crank when it actually produces 79 at the rear wheel?

I am kind of in the boat with her on this...regardless of whether you ride everyday or not...on the street, I am wondering how you might outgrow a 750 Monster unless you are spending time breaking laws and exceeding triple digits everywhere you can...if you slab ride alot, then maybe you are just looking at the wrong kind of bike....kinda like trying to use a crescent wrench instead of a socket or box end wrench....if it is because of cruising in 5th gear, and you want a 6th gear for overdrive cruising, that makes sense...but the most common problem when it comes to the speed of a bike still remains to be the adjustability and tuneability of the screw between the ears of your head in a majority of cases...not saying this in any other meaning except as an outsider trying to understand how or why you think you might have outgrown the 750...

The 750 isn't fast enough of the line for me anymore, and she tops out at about 130. Which is plenty fast but I would like to have the ability to go faster, and I can go full throttle in 2nd and the front tire stays firm on the ground, not that I want to do wheelies but It just doesn't feel fast enough anymore.

Outgrowing and needing.. Yeah, they can mean different things for sure.

The man wants more power! [evil]

Get a 900, put some FCR carbs on (maybe some hi comp pistons). You will have a fun engine. The 900 is by no means an outrageous motor.

Having owned a 900 Monster and a 750 SS I couldn't disagree more.

The 2 motors have entirely different power characteristics, and all published and unpublished numbers aside...

the 900 has a ton more power than the 750.

Yeap  [thumbsup] on multiple occasion I had the chance race some moron's at  red light's whit my 900....   ;D  ;D  ;D so 900 = yeaaaaaaaaaaa!  [Dolph]

One time the guy add a yamaha R1...he tried as hard as he could but he never was able to pass me lol ...  [Dolph]  still tryin to figure this one out ( the 900 maybe shorter gear's than a R1 or the guy didin't deserve is bike ..lol    [cheeky] )

Another fact I'm 5'7 and 125 pound's  .....  but on your profile photo you seam to be a little bit taller than me... so maybe yes, you would probably need a bigger bike   you have my OK  [thumbsup]  [Dolph]

He's looking for more power...

not necessarily horsepower.

The torque produced by the 900 makes the modest hp increase over the other motors seem much greater.

If you haven't ridden a 900 it's difficult to explain.

At any rate, it's a worthwhile upgrade IMO.

Well tell me if this makes sense... Trading somebody my 750 for a 900 (and give them some cash as well) that way I can upgrade my bike without having to buy a whole new bike.

Just make sure the 900 is the same vintage so all the electrical stuff matches up, and that you get the exhaust header and carbs.

I would love to spend less than a grand, idk if thats possible.

Could you show us your research?

http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/article_index.asp (http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/article_index.asp)   Click on  MCN Performance Index for Winter 2009/2010 Edition (PDF: 624K)  scroll down.  Thier specs are from a dyno run.

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ducati_monster_750-monster_750_dark-monster_750_city-monster_750_metallic_2000.php (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ducati_monster_750-monster_750_dark-monster_750_city-monster_750_metallic_2000.php)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Ducati/Ducati-M750-Monster-1996--2001/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Ducati/Ducati-M750-Monster-1996--2001/)

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Ducati_Monster_750_-_Dark_-_City_-_Dark_city_2000.aspx (http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Ducati_Monster_750_-_Dark_-_City_-_Dark_city_2000.aspx)

My bike, an '01 750, dyno readings varying from 59-61 HP, open air box, stage 2 jetting and slip ons.  High mileage, but perfect compression.  The 750 has a broad powerband, offering good available power when you need it.  Going against the clock is a much different story.  

mcnews musta had a dud 696 that day. 29 ft lbs!!  [roll]

and by the numbers that must be a s2r800. interesting that the torque of the s2r800 near matches the 4 valve 748.

Yeah, cause a 750 is such a beast to ride through the twisties ( [puke]), sometimes it's about POWER, pure and simple. Not how fast you can ride around twisties ( [puke]). I know the great unwashed disagrees.

R1 & M900!!!?>>>>>the R1 only has 1st gear working!!!! :(
I have a 98' M900 with FCR's & a R1 in a drag race... [thumbsdown]

I am not going to disagree with you on the idea of wanting power, but it is clear to me NOW why moreso than in the initial posting...some people feel they need more power when they really aren't using what they have and it is usually due to a degree of the 'Murican-Bigger-is-Better persona that folks get caught up in...which is troubling to a degree when you are in the mountains and you see a guy railing around a dude on an R1 with an EX500 and then the guy on the R1 makes it a point on the straight as fast and as soon as he can passes that same lil Ninja on 1 wheel in the triple digits...we have all seen it...and when advice is asked of me, I ask questions for to ascertain the best answer in response...and if it is a simple fact of wanting to do excessive triple digits, then maybe a 900 isn't even the answer...or even a Ducati...but you never know what the best reccomendation is until you ask questions in response to the initial query.

personally, I have two major opinions on street bikes in general...and they are common...but, 1) it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast because you get more from the experience of getting more out of the machines potential and yourself than to ride a fast bike slow and be nowhere near either yours or the machine's potential...and 2) in America anyway, there is no real earthly need for more than 100hp on the street legally speaking...anywhere you ride on the street, the only logic for having more is to break the law ( generally speaking here)...is it nice to have more on tap? hell yes...but is it necessary? not really...

This has to be one of the longest run-on sentences I've ever read. Sheesh............. :P

To the OP:
Make this a poll with the following choices:
1. Keep the 750.
2. Swap motors for a 900.
3. Sell/trade the 750 for a 900.
4. Boobies (of course, you have to always add boobies on a poll)

I have made longer....LOL   ;)

    If I understand what your saying the guy didn't deserve is bike  ;D I my head, it's logic than a R1 goes faster than a 900 on a 0 to 60 mph

ho well..... I can always pass someguy's whit their Honda civic ....  It's hard for their Ego because they've been pass by a girl ...   ;D

What I am saying....is a R1 will win all/every drag race to not only 60 mph ...but all the way thru to say 145 mph...if the R1 driver is awake
A Ducati M900 not of the same era or technology.....
But where the Ducati does shine is on STYLE points & that beloved v twin sound!!! [beer]

This is true.   ;D

this makes me want an 848 motor in my S2R1k.

why cant they make an 848 Monster????

Gotta ask:  why would you want a Monster with a 848 vs a 848 Street Fighter?

on the dyno i used for many years, my 750 with basic mods (jet kit, pipes, open airbox) made 65hp like nearly every other 750 in that state.  a 900 carb motor in that state made 76.  s2r1000 made 82 std, 88 opened up.  a s2r1000 is so much faster than a 750 it's not funny, especially over 100mph for instance.  the difference in pull at that speed is very obvious.

i can completely understand the desire to have a bike that is faster off the line or easier to wheelie.  a well geared 900 can be very quick up to a given (lowish, but city like) speed.  you'll feel the torque difference there more than the power.  my hot 750 wheelies rather easily, but my 900 was far easier and faster and had an extra gear and was just more fun when you're in the controlled environment of the city and you can't go knee down (which it would seem makes us unworthy of such fine motorcycles and the needless power they possess).  of course, i also enjoyed bikes that wouldn't wheelie past the speed limit in first gear as they slowed me down somewhat.  you'd be amazed how nice a commuter the KR1S 250 was.  and the 600m that replaced it.

btw, s4r makes 115 - 120 and wheelies very nicely, but if you really want a bike you can use like a complete dill the s4rs with a full system is just 130hp of heaven.  lordy, lordy, lord they are fun.  just the thought of it makes me grin like an idiot.

having only sat on the new monster and street fighter, the SF feels too big. i like how compact a monster feels.


I was thinking about how great an SF848 would be, but id have to ride one for a day and see how it is as an everyday bike.

my stable mate, an aprillia rsv4r, makes even my monster with clip ons feel big. damn those rsv4's are a compact and rediculously powerfull bike!!

looks, style, ergonomics, modability/customization?

Well, looks & style, I have to respectfully disagree ....Personal Preference [beer]

to me, looks and style are personal preference and do make all the difference...on the looks, it is like a blonde vs a brunette or a skinny chic vs a chic with curves...what draws our eye in and keeps us involved/engaged are the looks/preferences that each of us are attracted to...style is the same arguement....argueing a SF848 versus a Monster 848 is like argueing an old style Monster versus a new syle Monster....they have different style cues that attract different people....

Totally agree! [thumbsup]

Just a naked bike!!?
agreed, it is a different animal...albeit beautiful in my eyes!! [thumbsup]

Re monsters...the new 1100 EVO is pretty nice.

Perhaps the SF felt bigger because it had a water-cooled motor attached to it, whereas the current monsters only have air-cooled motors.  So if you could shoe the 848 motor into a monster frame, you may actually be disappointed with the resultant size perception.  And therefore, you may not really wish that Ducati would make an 848 Monster.   [roll]   ;D

someone shoehorned a testastretta into a new monster and i have to say it looked pretty hot... saw the pics here before, but i forget the link.

in some ways they are catering to you now anyway with the sf.

the sf848 and '12 sfs now have 20mm higher bars risers so the rider triangle should be better.

personally though, i'm ok with the current set up on the sf.  compared to the monster it's def more aggressive but it's not bad once you're up to speed and only gets bad after a couple of hours on the highway.

also, what belies the larger proportions of the sf vs the monster is that the sf feels narrower than the monster.  so while it did feel a bigger when i first got it, the thinness of the bike makes it go away once you're moving.

I like the sf but the monster will always be my bike.

coz the monster is way better looking than a streetfighter  ;D