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Title: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: caperix on December 24, 2011, 06:12:49 AM
It seams every year, near the end of riding season I come down with the same strange illness.  The unexplained desire to own a 2 stroke bike.  Maybe its the memories of learing to ride on my Dads YSR or the H2 drag bikes that used to show up at the local 1/8th mile.  This year I can put some blame on the knee slider for showing some beautiful custom 2 strokes, kwikasfaki-gsx-r400-kawasaki-h2-750-custom (http://kwikasfaki-gsx-r400-kawasaki-h2-750-custom) & xj500t-jaybuilt-kawasaki-500-bellytank-triple (http://xj500t-jaybuilt-kawasaki-500-bellytank-triple).  The fact that I have been dating a girl who's dad has a Suzuki water buffalo that has not been ridden in 30 years sitting in a shed does not help either.

Has anyone else contracted this 2 stroke illness.  Does a cure exist, or am I just going to be forced to dream about Aprillia RS250's & custom 2 stroke sport bikes?


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on December 24, 2011, 06:44:33 AM
You need to convince her dad to let you help him resurrect the bike. After all it won't get any better just sitting.

After all the money and work you put in you'll get to ride it...

and be cured. ;)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: sofadriver on December 24, 2011, 07:25:50 AM
2 STROKES?!!
You're kidding, right?

Why would you want to own some smokey, noisy thing like this?............
tz750 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyGnMUUuSY#)  [roll]
 [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: rgramjet on December 24, 2011, 07:57:16 AM
My neighbor has an RD400 in the garage that he refuses to even show me, we've lived here since 98 and it hasn't seen light since we've been here........also has a 66 Mustang rotting in the driveway that "someday" he will restore.

He now avoids me because I've become relentless in my pursuit of one or both of these machines.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Monsterlover on December 24, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
2 STROKES?!!
You're kidding, right?

Why would you want to own some smokey, noisy thing like this?............
tz750 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyGnMUUuSY#)  [roll]
 [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool]

(http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2010/75958-headbang.gif)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Bill in OKC on December 24, 2011, 08:30:10 AM
What?  Bikers wanting to ride politically incorrect, socially unacceptable machines?  Ethanol is not good for the crank seals, finding good original exhaust is tough, most seals and bearings are still available through sources.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: orangelion03 on December 24, 2011, 09:04:34 AM
My neighbor has an RD400 in the garage that he refuses to even show me, we've lived here since 98 and it hasn't seen light since we've been here...

What an a$$hole!!!!    My first owned bike was an RD400.  Would love to have another some day, but only as a second bike.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/newRD400Aug80.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/orangelion03/cafeRD400.jpg)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on December 24, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
I LOVE two stroke road bikes! My first road bike was a then new 1972 R5 Yammyhammer. Rode it for a bit and moved to a '73 RD350 with DG chambers... pretty sure they were DG's. My best friend got a then new H2 Kawi with Bill Wirges expansion chambers and it was awesome and nasty! I loved the door hinge in the middle of the frame!!! [bang] [laugh] Ahhhhh... the smell of burnt Klotz, Blendzall and Castrol R. And fouled plugs. [bang] :P

My last ring dinger street bike was a '79 RD400 Daytona. One of those "I wish I still had it" bikes.

About a year ago a shop here in town that specializes in used bike sales (High 5 Cycles) had an absolutely beautiful and prestine '84 RZ350 in KR Sr. factory bumble bee colors!! It was low mileage and stock!! No pipes, no steel braided brake lines, nothing... bone stock. Even the seat was still in good shape with no cracks. Believe it or not they couldn't get anyone to buy it for the longest time. Finally dumped it on ebay motors. Some body got the score of a lifetime. I wanted it but just couldn't justify it at the time.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Nero-92 on December 24, 2011, 02:22:17 PM
I get that same feeling every time I go to the local race track smell here the 250's OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! the castrol R.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Howley on December 24, 2011, 11:45:30 PM
2 STROKES?!!
You're kidding, right?

Why would you want to own some smokey, noisy thing like this?............
tz750 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyGnMUUuSY#)  [roll]
 [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool] [drool]

Needs more exhaust pipes.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: The Bacon Junkie on December 25, 2011, 07:29:16 AM
My Yammie YSR50 is a blast to ride!   ;D

I love the smell of 2-stroke in the morning...   [evil]




[bacon]


Title: dinenoj
Post by: dinenoj on December 25, 2011, 04:05:31 PM
Small toy I've been play'n with.
Was in pretty bad shape when I got it in July, been getting it back to its rip roaring self.  ;D
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm59/dinenoj/db66652f.jpg)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on December 25, 2011, 04:56:07 PM
Sweeeeet! Toomey Racing chambers, right? Does my team get 100 points? [laugh] It's still killing me that I didn't score that sweet bone stock KR Sr. bumble bee RZ I posted about earlier. [bang] Thanks for bumming me out on Christmas with a pic of your beauty! [laugh] Those are such cool scooters and yours looks great! [thumbsup] How much fun is that to ride? [popcorn] [bacon] [bow_down]


Title: Re: dinenoj
Post by: sofadriver on December 25, 2011, 08:58:49 PM
Small toy I've been play'n with.
Was in pretty bad shape when I got it in July, been getting it back to its rip roaring self.  ;D
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm59/dinenoj/db66652f.jpg)

Fire that puppy up, get out your GoPro and post it on YouTube so we can see it!


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ungeheuer on December 26, 2011, 02:22:24 AM
....  ah yes.... Castrol R  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: cyberswine on December 26, 2011, 06:16:01 AM
When I was a kid we used to put a few drops of R in the gas tank just for the smell of it  :)
Is there anything out there now that can come close  to that?


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: sofadriver on December 26, 2011, 09:46:50 AM
When I was a kid we used to put a few drops of R in the gas tank just for the smell of it  :)
Is there anything out there now that can come close  to that?

Moto-perfume!
Brilliant!
Could be a huge seller.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Speedbag on December 26, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
http://www.palmerracingfuels.com/additives.htm (http://www.palmerracingfuels.com/additives.htm)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on December 26, 2011, 05:04:07 PM
http://www.palmerracingfuels.com/additives.htm (http://www.palmerracingfuels.com/additives.htm)

That's just wrong. Castrol R is one thing.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Bill in OKC on December 26, 2011, 09:01:46 PM
I've been trying some different oils.  The problem is that most of the castor based oils cannot be used in oil injection systems because it is too thick.  Maxima 927 was tried, it smells better than Suzuki CCI but not great.  I'm trying some Klotz TC-W3 next that is advertised to work in injection systems.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: mickyvee on December 27, 2011, 03:51:14 AM
 [thumbsup] My lovely Suzuki Hustler will be celebrating her 40th birthday in 2012! Still goes like the clappers though!


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ungeheuer on December 27, 2011, 04:41:08 AM
I've been trying some different oils.  The problem is that most of the castor based oils cannot be used in oil injection systems because it is too thick.  Maxima 927 was tried, it smells better than Suzuki CCI but not great.  I'm trying some Klotz TC-W3 next that is advertised to work in injection systems.
Premix....  and disable the oil tank's injector system  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on December 27, 2011, 04:43:18 AM
Premix....  and disable the oil tank's injector system  [thumbsup]
Don't forget to re-jet and make a block off plate for the pump so it doesn't seize from running dry.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: yamifixer on December 27, 2011, 09:00:40 AM
When I was a kid we used to put a few drops of R in the gas tank just for the smell of it  :)
Is there anything out there now that can come close  to that?

YAM R 2stroke oil smells best. I run it in my leaf blower just for old times sake.

I will build another RD someday. when my current projects are done (yea right)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Bill in OKC on December 27, 2011, 11:30:55 AM
The Suzuki guys say that the injection must be left intact on the Suzuki triples.  It has 6 lines and three of them go directly to the main bearings.  It said that the mains will not get enough oil using premix only - I just don't want to chance it.  I've tried adding some castor oil to the gas in addition to the injection but even with the pump adjusted way down the exhaust is way too...  dense.  I have high hopes for the Klotz but the Maxima works great.  It smells 'sweet' but not quite that R smell.

Edit - I just realized that the Maxima 927 is the castor oil I mixed in the gas for test purposes, not in the injector system.  It is Motul 710 that smells better and works in the oil injection.  Doh [bang]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: the_Journeyman on December 28, 2011, 03:23:30 AM
I've got a Suzuki TS185 that sadly isn't road-worthy.

JM


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Drunken Monkey on December 28, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
I've been toying with the idea of making a faux classic GP replica out of a Banshee Quad motor (same motor as used in the RZ-350 / RD-350LC ) for a few years now. I know the motor well enough (I used to race RZs back when dinosaurs roamed the earth) and I loves me some two strokes.


(http://www.schultzengineering.us/ubiali.jpg)

Maybe with a better suspension and real wheels... Hmmmm....


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: justinrhenry on December 29, 2011, 05:10:56 PM
VW Baja Bug 5T 1/5 scale gas 2 stroke engine R/C King Motors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-6sOp6Bc8#)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Drunken Monkey on December 29, 2011, 08:22:58 PM
Okay. That's ^^^^  funny.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 01, 2012, 05:01:38 PM
[thumbsup] My lovely Suzuki Hustler will be celebrating her 40th birthday in 2012! Still goes like the clappers though!

Sweeeet! Haven't seen a Hustler in years! Tell her Happy 40th Birthday for me! [thumbsup] [Dolph] I love hearing stories about old scooters (2 or 4 stroke) still alive and kicking. Gives me hope that I might be running for a couple more years! [laugh]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: mickyvee on January 02, 2012, 09:01:09 AM
 [thumbsup] Yes, they do seem to be a bit thin on the ground. We went to a VJMC show back in the summer, and she was the only Hustler there! If I knew how to post a pic on this forum, I would let you have a look at her. She's a beauty! Runs really well too, on Silkolene Fully Synthetic oil. Even though I've set the pump up correctly, there is still a pale blue haze left in her wake!  [evil]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on January 02, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
[thumbsup] Yes, they do seem to be a bit thin on the ground. We went to a VJMC show back in the summer, and she was the only Hustler there! If I knew how to post a pic on this forum, I would let you have a look at her. She's a beauty! Runs really well too, on Silkolene Fully Synthetic oil. Even though I've set the pump up correctly, there is still a pale blue haze left in her wake!  [evil]
Posting pictures...

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 02, 2012, 07:32:07 PM
[thumbsup] Yes, they do seem to be a bit thin on the ground. We went to a VJMC show back in the summer, and she was the only Hustler there! If I knew how to post a pic on this forum, I would let you have a look at her. She's a beauty! Runs really well too, on Silkolene Fully Synthetic oil. Even though I've set the pump up correctly, there is still a pale blue haze left in her wake!  [evil]

Ahhh... the pale blue haze. Sweeeet! Fond memories for sure. [thumbsup] [Dolph] [beer]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: EvilSteve on January 04, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
I have a dream of finding a H2 somewhere and making it handle with new suspension and good brakes...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1336/1341185907_dae8d35e41.jpg)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: kopfjäger on January 16, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/RSV.jpg)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on January 16, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I have a dream of finding a H2 somewhere and making it handle with new suspension and good brakes...

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1336/1341185907_dae8d35e41.jpg)
I'd plan on a complete chassis...

they were evil. ;)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 16, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
Yeah, Kawi didn't charge extra for the hinge in the middle of the H1 and H2 frames. Or the Z-1 "New York Steak"! [laugh] [thumbsup] [Dolph]


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: mickyvee on January 17, 2012, 10:43:41 AM
 :'( Last summer I was in the market for a new bike. My budget was £10,000. Out and about on my Hustler, I passed a small bike shop in Ilkley, W.Yorkshire, which looked to have a nice selection of bikes. In I went, only to be stopped dead in my tracks by a candy purple, immaculate '75 H2B. It was up for £9995. I told them that I'd think about it, and headed off home. Much soul searching took place, and in spite of many misgivings, I decided to get it. Life's too short to dither about such important matters. So, I hopped on the trusty Hustler, to nip over to the shop in order to do the deal. Upon arrival, I was astonished to see a "sold" sticker on the headlamp. "The dealer must have guessed I'd have it!" I thought to myself as I sought out the boss. Alas, He hadn't read my mind, he'd sold it to somebody else! In a fit of pique, I rode over to Ducati Leeds and bought a Monster 1100 Evo! With hindsight, probably the right decision. Still want one though!


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Bill in OKC on January 17, 2012, 10:54:34 AM
I scored a set of chambers for the GT550 last week.  They don't look too bad in the pics.  Built in silencers, black, a few dents and some rust.  A little buffing, etc required but special parts for this bike are hard to find.  In the mail from PA and last tracked in Dallas!  wooo hoooo


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 17, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
Hopefully a little silencer re-pack and a re-paint is all your GT chambers will need. [thumbsup]

mickeyvee,

Sorry you missed out on the H2. That also happened to me years ago on of all things a '74 Duc 750SS!! [bang] >:( Do you have any idea how much it would be worth today?? Damn!! [bang]

It was in the classified section of an old DIOC (Ducati International Owners Club out of Florida) newsletter in the early 80s. The bike was in the nearby state of Arkansas. I got the newsletter in the mail, immediatley opened it, saw the ad and made the call. All within about two minutes! The owner/seller answered the phone and said he just closed the deal with another DIOC member about one minute before I called!! More head banging!! [bang] To this day I wonder where that bike is.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Speedbag on January 17, 2012, 03:33:42 PM
I'd plan on a complete chassis...

they were evil. ;)

Yeah....buddy of mine died on one.  :P


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on January 17, 2012, 03:39:38 PM
Yeah....buddy of mine died on one.  :P
Lots of skilled riders got hurt on/died on Kwak triples


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Curmudgeon on January 17, 2012, 03:44:18 PM
mickeyvee,

Sorry you missed out on the H2. That also happened to me years ago on of all things a '74 Duc 750SS!! [bang] >:( Do you have any idea how much it would be worth today?? Damn!! [bang]

It was in the classified section of an old DIOC (Ducati International Owners Club out of Florida) newsletter in the early 80s. The bike was in the nearby state of Arkansas. I got the newsletter in the mail, immediatley opened it, saw the ad and made the call. All within about two minutes! The owner/seller answered the phone and said he just closed the deal with another DIOC member about one minute before I called!! More head banging!! [bang] To this day I wonder where that bike is.

~ $60,000 for a clean one in the U.S. based on the last one at the Betor Auction.  ;)

Wonder whether I still have one of those DIOC decals somewhere from that period. Pretty sure I still have a period NCR decal somewhere. Must unpack some day...  :)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: EvilSteve on January 17, 2012, 07:16:39 PM
All I really want is the motor to be honest, everything else is kinda beside the point. :)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Drunken Monkey on January 18, 2012, 02:00:52 PM
All I really want is the motor to be honest, everything else is kinda beside the point. :)

You sir, are a wise man.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: gr1976 on January 20, 2012, 07:59:00 PM
my winter's project is to combine these two before the mosquitoes hatch...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6734088911_319469b77c.jpg)


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6734088855_ddb5e41699.jpg)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: Drunken Monkey on January 20, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
my winter's project is to combine these two before the mosquitoes hatch...

I'm thinking with all the smoke that'll produce, you won't have to worry about skeeters.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: sofadriver on January 21, 2012, 06:10:06 AM
not mine but............
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/2810527304.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/2810527304.html)


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: mickyvee on January 21, 2012, 07:54:05 AM
 [thumbsup] Nice! Whose spannies are those? Denco? Bassani?


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: ducpainter on January 21, 2012, 07:57:24 AM
[thumbsup] Nice! Whose spannies are those? Denco? Bassani?
I had Denco on my 350....the silencers were shorter.


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: gr1976 on January 21, 2012, 08:38:46 AM
[thumbsup] Nice! Whose spannies are those? Denco? Bassani?

I believe they are both spec II


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 21, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
my winter's project is to combine these two before the mosquitoes hatch...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6734088911_319469b77c.jpg)


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6734088855_ddb5e41699.jpg)

I'm digging the radial finned heads on bike #2. DGs maybe?


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: gr1976 on January 21, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
I'm digging the radial finned heads on bike #2. DGs maybe?

They are DG's..about the only reason I bought that one...that and the micro fairing with the #69 on both sides with hardware store # stickers...the PO must have been a hit with the ladies


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: IRISH on January 21, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
They are DG's..about the only reason I bought that one...that and the micro fairing with the #69 on both sides with hardware store # stickers...the PO must have been a hit with the ladies

Agreed on the DG's.

I had the Spec II's on my RZ, monstrous bang for buck investment. Neighbors hated it....


Title: Re: The 2 stroke bug
Post by: fastwin on January 21, 2012, 07:10:58 PM
They are DG's..about the only reason I bought that one...that and the micro fairing with the #69 on both sides with hardware store # stickers...the PO must have been a hit with the ladies

Wow. I pulled that one out of lala land. Guess all the brain cells aren't dead. [laugh] Always wanted those heads on my RD. Have fun with the combo build. As I've said before, love those old ring dinger street bikes. Great memories! [thumbsup] [Dolph] [bacon]


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