Sounds like Wednesday might be a slow day due to some protests.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223496/Protests_against_SOPA_PIPA_go_viral (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223496/Protests_against_SOPA_PIPA_go_viral)
This is more of a PSA than a discussion.
[popcorn] ;D
I thought SOPA was killed, why are they still shutting down? ???
Quote from: 1KDS on January 17, 2012, 06:33:11 PM
I thought SOPA was killed, why are they still shutting down? ???
SOPA has been put on the back burner indefinitely, but isn't technically
dead. The Senate sister-bill PIPA is still kicking.
adventure rider is black for the day :'(
History shows that a lot of legislation
while traveling under the intent (guise) of good intentions
opens doors to a legion of far less attractive results
I will stop at that
Wiki is down
google has blacked out their logo, but is still up
Quote from Wikipedia:
"SOPA and PIPA put the burden on website owners to police user-contributed material and call for the unnecessary blocking of entire sites. Small sites won't have sufficient resources to defend themselves. Big media companies may seek to cut off funding sources for their foreign competitors, even if copyright isn't being infringed. Foreign sites will be blacklisted, which means they won't show up in major search engines. SOPA and PIPA build a framework for future restrictions and suppression."
I don't go around crying wolf, but this could affect us. www.advrider.com (//http://) www.ktmtalk.com (//http://) and www.thumpertalk.com (//http://) (among others) are "blacked out" today in protest.
I'm OK when it comes to taking down sites that promote child pornography, terrorism, drugs, racism, etc. But SOPA & PIPA have nothing to do with that. They're more about the MPAA and RIAA using their money limit freedom just so they can make more money.
to me...is it simple...look at the 1st Amendment....the internet is a communications tool and this is a violation of that IMHO...yes, the internet is used in all manner of ways and so forth...but in the end, it is a free domain communications tool....
let's not get this one locked...
K?
Informational posting is OK.
Opinions on the constitutionality of the proposed legislation is not.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 18, 2012, 06:58:55 AM
let's not get this one locked...
K?
Informational posting is OK.
Opinions on the constitutionality of the proposed legislation is not.
my bad...I am sorry...and wasn't my intention...
It's OK.
This topic is almost impossible to discuss without getting into politics...and from so many directions if you understand my meaning.
It was just a reminder.
i suppose no matter which way you feel, the important part is to contact your house and senate representatives and let them know.
(yes, the idealist in me is typing that out)
Quote from: Privateer on January 18, 2012, 07:27:47 AM
i suppose no matter which way you feel, the important part is to contact your house and senate representatives and let them know.
(yes, the idealist in me is typing that out)
My understanding is that SOPA is on the back burner while PIPA is still on the Senate agenda.
I'd concentrate on contacting Senators for now.
In a show of support, my avatar has been blacked out for the day.
[drink]
Quote from: Privateer on January 18, 2012, 07:27:47 AM
(yes, the idealist in me is typing that out)
excerpted from The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
OPTIMISM, n.
The doctrine, or belief, that everything is beautiful, including what is ugly, everything good, especially the bad, and everything right that is wrong. It is held with greatest tenacity by those most accustomed to the mischance of falling into adversity, and is most acceptably expounded with the grin that apes a smile. Being a blind faith, it is inaccessible to the light of disproof -- an intellectual disorder, yielding to no treatment but death. It is hereditary, but fortunately not contagious.
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.
A good explanation by David Emmett:
http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html)
Article on Politco outlines the amount of spending the lobbies have put forth to push or oppose the bills: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68448.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68448.html)
As always I can't help think how much good that money could do if spent otherwise: education, health, infrastructures... :(
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on January 18, 2012, 09:59:51 AM
As always I can't help think how much good that money could do if spent otherwise: education, health, infrastructures... :(
Cui bono.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 18, 2012, 09:34:19 AM
A good explanation by David Emmett:
http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html)
Posted on FB.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 18, 2012, 09:34:19 AM
A good explanation by David Emmett:
http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2012/01/18/why_motorcycle_racing_fans_should_oppose.html)
[clap] [clap] [clap]
there is a link on the google landing page to sign a petition to congress.
http://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/
Quote from: zarn02 on January 18, 2012, 10:19:20 AM
Cui bono.
Everyone?
Well, everyone except those who the lobby money would usually go to.
"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for his life".
I think of applying this train of thought to education: helping people get a better education means they can get better jobs (higher paying jobs) which means they will spend more money and pay more in taxes than Joe Shmoe - unemployed or working for minimum wage.
I think that (for example) investing in a course that helps more students make movies (or music) means that there will be more people who appreciate the amount of work involved. The more people appreciate the work, the more will be willing to pay for it. And conversely the fewer will "steal" it. (Look at what Radiohead did with their last albums...)
Of course while all this makes perfect sense in my head (take the blue pill, go down the rabbit hole, have some shrooms and weed and you're there... [laugh]) there's a ton of real-world factors to take into consideration. Still I think it could work.
[rant]DAMMIT!! I need ADVrider today! WTF with stupid legislation that pisses off the website that holds the wisdom of BMW speedometer cables!!! [bang]
Goat-raping entertainment industry lobbyists!! [/rant]
yes, I feel much better now
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on January 18, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
Everyone?
Sorry, we've had a miscommunication. I meant it the other way 'round. The reason the money is being spent here versus there is because this benefits
the people spending the money.
Quote from: zarn02 on January 18, 2012, 04:32:41 PM
Sorry, we've had a miscommunication. I meant it the other way 'round. The reason the money is being spent here versus there is because this benefits the people spending the money.
It's cool, even if you did support sopa / pipa I wouldn't have the good fellas send you a horse's head. [laugh]
Find out where your representatives stand on SOPA here: http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/ (http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/)
[EDIT]
Another site that opposes SOPA is craigslist: http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA (http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA)
However (
and the following is my personal opinion) I think the example used with Monster Cable and links to articles on www.techdirt.com (//http://) aren't very good ones. These articles claim that Monster Cable would have sites such as craigslist, eBay, Sears.com etc labeled as "rogue sites" and thus censored. This is the
web page (http://www.monstercable.com/counterfeit/dealers_blk.asp) (from monstercable.com) the articles cite and it's more of a warning to avoid counterfeit dealers on the listed sites.
I think this does however show where the issue stands: banning counterfeit goods while still allowing legitimate users sell genuine stuff is a good thing
TM. But we can't allow a company to declare a website "rogue" (and thus have it censored) because it's products are available there for a lower price (EG. used cables from Monster on Ebay).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/jon-stewart-rips-sopa-pro_n_1215689.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/jon-stewart-rips-sopa-pro_n_1215689.html)
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2012, 09:57:14 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/jon-stewart-rips-sopa-pro_n_1215689.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/jon-stewart-rips-sopa-pro_n_1215689.html)
Jon Stewart is, as ever, on-point.
Seems the hacker group Anonymous crashed a few site today in response to arrests made in New Zealand. Websites included RIAA, Justice.gov among others.
Can't attach link since I'm on my phone, maybe someone can help me out.
Quote from: ItsaDuc on January 19, 2012, 06:15:52 PM
Seems the hacker group Anonymous crashed a few site today in response to arrests made in New Zealand. Websites included RIAA, Justice.gov among others.
Can't attach link since I'm on my phone, maybe someone can help me out.
You mean this?
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss (http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss)
My younger brother is moving to China in a couple weeks.
no FB, Twitter, Skype, Youtube, Google...
Quote from: Vindingo on January 19, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
My younger brother is moving to China in a couple weeks.
no FB, Twitter, Skype, Youtube, Google...
No Skype?
We Skyped with our Chinese vendors back in about '08, it was pretty pathetic as their ISP didn't have a vewry fast service.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
You mean this?
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss (http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss)
Yep, that's the one. Thanks
Quote from: Speeddog on January 19, 2012, 08:07:57 PM
No Skype?
We Skyped with our Chinese vendors back in about '08, it was pretty pathetic as their ISP didn't have a vewry fast service.
I'm heard from him, who heard from someone... maybe the game of telephone got confused.
I just googled it, and apparently they can shut it down if you type in certain words or phrases which aren't aloud.
The story I heard was that a girl he knew was Skyping with another friend about finding a Jewish temple in Shanghai to observe some holy day, and she was blocked all of a sudden.
I have no first hand experience though. I'm sure he will report back once he moves there.
http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shut-down-feds-why-sopa-225952735.html (http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shut-down-feds-why-sopa-225952735.html)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 20, 2012, 05:01:09 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shut-down-feds-why-sopa-225952735.html (http://news.yahoo.com/megaupload-shut-down-feds-why-sopa-225952735.html)
the devil always resides in the details....
your link pretty much underscores that the impetus for this legislation has the stench of red herring all over it....
the question becomes...what is
really the target of the initiatives?
Quote from: derby on January 19, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html)
This was an excellent breakdown.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 19, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
You mean this?
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss (http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_19777444?source=rss)
These Anonymous actions aren't as a protest against SOPA/PiPA - they are in retaliation for the shutting down of megauploads.com for piracy, copyrights infringements etc etc. I'm shocked it took the feds this long to shut that site down. But the DOS attacks on the DOJ site, RIAA etc aren't part of the SOPA/PIPA protests going on - they are just coincidentally timed.
Quote from: Sad Panda on January 20, 2012, 06:28:32 AM
These Anonymous actions aren't as a protest against SOPA/PiPA - they are in retaliation for the shutting down of megauploads.com for piracy, copyrights infringements etc etc. I'm shocked it took the feds this long to shut that site down. But the DOS attacks on the DOJ site, RIAA etc aren't part of the SOPA/PIPA protests going on - they are just coincidentally timed.
Didn't say they were.
Just posted a link for someone on a phone.
Quote from: ItsaDuc on January 19, 2012, 06:15:52 PM
Seems the hacker group Anonymous crashed a few site today in response to arrests made in New Zealand. Websites included RIAA, Justice.gov among others.
Can't attach link since I'm on my phone, maybe someone can help me out.
Shoulda quoted that one instead - I just watned to grab the link DP ;D
Quote from: Sad Panda on January 20, 2012, 06:49:30 AM
Shoulda quoted that one instead - I just watned to grab the link DP ;D
[laugh]
Quote from: Sad Panda on January 20, 2012, 06:28:32 AM
These Anonymous actions aren't as a protest against SOPA/PiPA - they are in retaliation for the shutting down of megauploads.com for piracy, copyrights infringements etc etc. I'm shocked it took the feds this long to shut that site down. But the DOS attacks on the DOJ site, RIAA etc aren't part of the SOPA/PIPA protests going on - they are just coincidentally timed.
True, but if I read it correctly, the fed had jurisdiction because of a server located in the US for Megaupload but with the SOPA/PIPA law they would not need that and could simply block the site
Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong.
Yeah - Mega has/had some servers in the US.
The SOPA/PIPA stuff is a lot broader. Problem is, it's more like trying to solder a pin-hole leak in your plumbing with a flame thrower. Sure it'll heat up that pipe enough to melt solder... but the collateral damage will be big.
It's so broad and structured in a guilty until proven innocent fashion. As a result sites like wikipedia, reddit the DMF could get blocked. Posting an image or video with copyrighted materials to a site puts it in jeopardy under the provisions outlined in those bills. Pretty much any site that takes comments, discussions, aggregates news would be under threat.
The motomatters article and TED talk video do pretty good jobs of summing things up.
And John Stewart is just funny and on point.
And anyway, if you need protectionist legislation to keep making a profit, your economic model is no longer competitive and you need to innovate or die. It's the entertainment industry, it's not really too big to fail.
Some commentary regarding the indictment against Megaupload: http://www.popehat.com/2012/01/20/a-few-notes-by-a-federal-criminal-practitioner-on-the-megaupload-indictment/ (http://www.popehat.com/2012/01/20/a-few-notes-by-a-federal-criminal-practitioner-on-the-megaupload-indictment/)
Popehat also has a handful of SOPA/PIPA related posts.
Quote from: derby on January 19, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html)
Brilliant talk! [thumbsup]
I'd like to make it a mandatory viewing for the "boffins" in the capitol. [laugh]
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on January 20, 2012, 11:50:04 AM
I'd like to make it a mandatory viewing for the "boffins" in the capitol. [laugh]
It might make them Nerds... they won't do it.