Just curious to know if anyone out there has a metal tank on their S2R and if so how did they do it. If you used a tank from a different model, what did you have to do to get it to fit right? I'm looking to get my hands on a metal tank for a project.
Thanks for the help forum
[popcorn]
All kidding aside, I plan to figure out how to get my S2R an aluminum tank, whether it's by modding an older model tank or getting a UK or Japanese company to make or ship me one. Anyone know of a good welder looking to reap the rewards of being able to make aluminum tanks for Ducati's without the crazy $$$. Sure he'd have a order backlog for months.....
I've got a gutless tank from an 800 you could borrow to see if a retrofit is possible.
Drop me a PM
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=541.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=541.0)
you'll have to relocate some stuff...
Thanks 'TIZ and Sad Panda.......
Wonder if anyone has every done this successfully. I'm sure if they had it would be all over the forum.
In addition to Panda, I might have a bead on an 03 620 tank with the typical ducati dents. It doesn't include the fuel pump but I can find one of those on fleabay for sure. Just wondering how much I'm looking at spending to fix the dents then get the tank to fit right, understanding that i need to figure out how to hinge a metal tank to my Duc since they are different.
I need to figure out pricing for the unknown stuff
Paint: $700.00
Dent Removal: ?
Tank Price; $2200.00 for one from Japan / Retrofitted 620: ? / Retrofitted 88: ?
just get the CA-Cycleworks tank and call it a day!
Update -
Spoke with the folks at DucPond about modding an older tank. Apparently there are tons of issues to get around, mainly, making sure the fuel pump stuff works seamslessly, getting around the airbox issue for those who don't have pod filters and the battery box. Since I have pod filters the airbox isn't an issue and having a shorai batter helps with the relocating something so tiny. Big fear is the fuel pump et all, thats going to be a trial by fire no to mention all the man hours that might have to be spent fixing stuff.
Next steps -
Sent an email out to Tanks by Tigman in MA, the folks in Japan with the beater tanks and the DMF member out there and a co in the UK to see what they might be able to do....
Quote from: zooom on January 20, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
just get the CA-Cycleworks tank and call it a day!
If the CA-Cycleworks tanks looked like the OEM monster tanks I'd be all over one....
Quote from: zooom on January 20, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
just get the CA-Cycleworks tank and call it a day!
I could go the Ca-Cycleworks route and get their tank but I like the look of my Monster tank......I also don't think if I bought a Ca tank (due out summer of 2012) I could paint it. Might not be a big issue for some but I'd like the ability to do that. Not saying I would completely cover up the beauty of an aluminum tank but I'd like the option.....
Anyone know what Ca's redesign and resurfacing is addressing?
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 20, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
Anyone know what Ca's redesign and resurfacing is addressing?
Have you seen this thread yet?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54588.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54588.0)
Quote from: duc750 on January 20, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Have you seen this thread yet?
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54588.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54588.0)
Thanks. I like the look of the tank but don't love it and wonder about paint. I would like to have one that's either matte black or yellow to match my bike's color scheme.
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 20, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
Thanks. I like the look of the tank but don't love it and wonder about paint. I would like to have one that's either matte black or yellow to match my bike's color scheme.
I agree about the look, part of the reason I love the monster is the tank.
Last I heard about the color is that it's NOT paintable. PM Chris though, I'm not clear as to whether or not you can choose a color before it's molded or if it's just available in red, black, or white (all gloss, BTW).
Beyond physical interference issues, which vary by which Monster you're talking about fitting a steel tank to....
The rear hinge arrangement is different, so you'll need that assembly.
The fuel pump and fuel filter from the plastic tank will not work, so you'll need the steel tank style parts.
The fuel level sender and fuel pressure regulator are integrated into the plastic-tank fuel bulkhead, so you'll need the steel tank style stuff too.
You'll need to re-do the fuel lines, as there aren't the quick disconnect fitting on the steel tanks, and you'll have to mount the external fuel pressure regulator.
Fuel filler cap is the same, but you'll need the mounting ring.
The rubber pads that sit on the frame are the same, and the latch is the same, so you can recycle those.
I fitted a CF tank to an S2R1k for one of my customers.
The CF tanks are set up just like the steel ones.
For all the parts necessary to do the swap, if you start with a totally naked steel tank, it's upwards of $1k for new stuff.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 20, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
Beyond physical interference issues, which vary by which Monster you're talking about fitting a steel tank to....
The rear hinge arrangement is different, so you'll need that assembly.
The fuel pump and fuel filter from the plastic tank will not work, so you'll need the steel tank style parts.
The fuel level sender and fuel pressure regulator are integrated into the plastic-tank fuel bulkhead, so you'll need the steel tank style stuff too.
You'll need to re-do the fuel lines, as there aren't the quick disconnect fitting on the steel tanks, and you'll have to mount the external fuel pressure regulator.
Fuel filler cap is the same, but you'll need the mounting ring.
The rubber pads that sit on the frame are the same, and the latch is the same, so you can recycle those.
I fitted a CF tank to an S2R1k for one of my customers.
The CF tanks are set up just like the steel ones.
For all the parts necessary to do the swap, if you start with a totally naked steel tank, it's upwards of $1k for new stuff.
But can be done...
Quote from: Speeddog on January 20, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
Beyond physical interference issues, which vary by which Monster you're talking about fitting a steel tank to....
The rear hinge arrangement is different, so you'll need that assembly.
The fuel pump and fuel filter from the plastic tank will not work, so you'll need the steel tank style parts.
The fuel level sender and fuel pressure regulator are integrated into the plastic-tank fuel bulkhead, so you'll need the steel tank style stuff too.
You'll need to re-do the fuel lines, as there aren't the quick disconnect fitting on the steel tanks, and you'll have to mount the external fuel pressure regulator.
Fuel filler cap is the same, but you'll need the mounting ring.
The rubber pads that sit on the frame are the same, and the latch is the same, so you can recycle those.
I fitted a CF tank to an S2R1k for one of my customers.
The CF tanks are set up just like the steel ones.
For all the parts necessary to do the swap, if you start with a totally naked steel tank, it's upwards of $1k for new stuff.
WHOA........
$1K just for the shit needed to convert is even more of a reason to get a tank custom made and then have him mass produce and fleece everyone else too ;D
I'm going to connect with the folks in MA this weekend and potentially send up a tank for review and potential work to create a alum. one.
We shall see how this experiment goes....
is it too hard to find a complete metal tank setup from a wreckers? then all you need to do is the fuel lines/regulator (which could come from the same parted out bike) and the hinge arrangement..
in the for sale section there is a 620 being parted. i think it would still have all the parts needed, could be a god send to you!?
p.s. it looks like it might be a plastic tank... i cant see the lip that runs aroung the bottom of the metal tanks in his pictures
Quote from: Roaduser on January 20, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
is it too hard to find a complete metal tank setup from a wreckers? then all you need to do is the fuel lines/regulator (which could come from the same parted out bike) and the hinge arrangement..
in the for sale section there is a 620 being parted. i think it would still have all the parts needed, could be a god send to you!?
I saw the 620 for sale which is interesting to me, however, I'm not knowledgeable enough and no one can confirm whether if I swapped out the my S2R tank with a 620's tank using the fuel lines, hinge and reg, whether my bike will work well or not. Is it simply a matter of taking a 620 with all the hinge, fuel lines and reg and connecting the new fuel pump to my bike and presto the bike works? Or will I have to purchase the 620 and all the necessary parts and then a couple of hours at the shop to make sure everything works? Any guidance would be awesome.
However part of me would like an S2R specific tank.....Maybe others can get one if there is a guinea pig
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 20, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
I saw the 620 for sale which is interesting to me, however, I'm not knowledgeable enough and no one can confirm whether if I swapped out the my S2R tank with a 620's tank using the fuel lines, hinge and reg, whether my bike will work well or not. Is it simply a matter of taking a 620 with all the hinge, fuel lines and reg and connecting the new fuel pump to my bike and presto the bike works? Or will I have to purchase the 620 and all the necessary parts and then a couple of hours at the shop to make sure everything works? Any guidance would be awesome.
However part of me would like an S2R specific tank.....Maybe others can get one if there is a guinea pig
I have no proof...
but if you get a complete tank off a wreck...
and the external regulator...
and the hinge pieces...
and plumb it correctly...
it will work.
I'll put money on it.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 20, 2012, 04:36:29 PM
I have no proof...
but if you get a complete tank off a wreck...
and the external regulator...
and the hinge pieces...
and plumb it correctly...
it will work.
I'll put money on it.
Here we go then DP. Let's see where we end up.
Here we go....
620 tank hinge pivot purchased (CHECK)
620 fuel pump and filter purchased (CHECK)
620 tank is next (in Progress)
What else am I missing?
Quote from: Roaduser on January 20, 2012, 03:50:11 PM
is it too hard to find a complete metal tank setup from a wreckers? then all you need to do is the fuel lines/regulator (which could come from the same parted out bike) and the hinge arrangement..
in the for sale section there is a 620 being parted. i think it would still have all the parts needed, could be a god send to you!?
p.s. it looks like it might be a plastic tank... i cant see the lip that runs aroung the bottom of the metal tanks in his pictures
he doesn't have all the necessary parts and the tank is plastic.....But it's a good thought. Starting this project we'll see where we end up.
it sounds like tin tanks are getting a bit harder to come by, i have a spare that im cutting up to make it even cooler tho [evil]
only question i have is the fuel pressure. from what im reading the plastic tanks have an internal fuel pressure regulator, and mine (the tin tanks) have an external one. are they both the same pressure? if not then it would effect the tune...
Quote from: Roaduser on January 20, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
it sounds like tin tanks are getting a bit harder to come by, i have a spare that im cutting up to make it even cooler tho [evil]
only question i have is the fuel pressure. from what im reading the plastic tanks have an internal fuel pressure regulator, and mine (the tin tanks) have an external one. are they both the same pressure? if not then it would effect the tune...
So I've got a lead on a steel tank after calling around to a dozen junk yards on the WC, they are becoming harder to find.
Roaduser - The fuel pressure is the one thing I am very uncertain of. I don't know if it will generate the same pressure nor do I think anyone else does either. That might be a major issue at the end of the day. The other big issue is the mounting point. A 620 has a triangular hinge point whereas my S2R is square. On the 620 frame, the tank hinge mounting point is raised whereas my S2R's is flat [bang]. SO I'd need a new bracket mount fabbed up
since the steel tanks have a weak hinge point, see if you can add the to tank the needed part to reach the lower hinge and add the strength it needs
I might end up buying the 620 tank and then have the lower third of the tank chopped so a fabricator can create the rear section with the right fuel pump hole size and hinge point and then weld it back together. Would structurally be as strong but it would get me around this hole fuel pump pressure and hinge location issue.
Nearly finished with a steel tank swap onto a 2007 S2R1000 right now.
Besides ALL of Speeddog's comments (which are right), here's my additionals:
Fuel pressure between steel and plastic tank bikes is common @ 45psi. So, you'll need to plumb in a pressure regulator from a steel tank bike to make the system hold pressure.
Steel tanks from 2000/01 M900's are NOT compatible. Do not buy unless you want to do major fab work under the tank (although they hold a bit more fuel...). Only get 2002-early 2005 tanks. (2005 was a split production year for tanks with early being steel & late being plastic).
You'll also need the tank hinge bracket & hardware.
On this swap (also a formerly dented tank), I had the tank hinge area welded or brazed up before doing the internal coating so as to avoid future issues later.
Also, old internal fuel lines get weak and brittle. Buy NEW submersible fuel lines to go in the tank as replacement is a PITA later.
Look for my latest custom to debut later this month or February...
One more thing: a 2002-early 2005 steel tank will clear the battery and air-box in their stock locations...
Filed under "Also will not fit" is the 2001-02 S4 tank (without a lot of component relocation).
Ducati went to one under tank form for 2002 on 2V bikes and kept it (2V or 4V) the same until they quit doing steel tanks.
making my head spin....
07 S4R.
Is there a steel/metal tank that will bolt on? What about a carbon one? I understand the pump/regulator and pivot will need to be changed....but I'm unclear on it fitting over the 4v engine.
All the steel tanks from 02...I thought it was 03...will fit a 2 or 4V.
I think all the carbon tanks will also.
The S4 tanks are like pre-02 tanks and won't fit.
Quote from: TAftonomos on January 21, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
making my head spin....
07 S4R.
Is there a steel/metal tank that will bolt on? What about a carbon one? I understand the pump/regulator and pivot will need to be changed....but I'm unclear on it fitting over the 4v engine.
you're confused, I'm confused.....
Quote from: TAftonomos on January 21, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
making my head spin....
07 S4R.
Is there a steel/metal tank that will bolt on? What about a carbon one? I understand the pump/regulator and pivot will need to be changed....but I'm unclear on it fitting over the 4v engine.
Not sure about the carbon ones, but I don't think there's any steel tank that will bolt on to an S4Rs or S4Rt.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 21, 2012, 11:15:44 AM
Not sure about the carbon ones, but I don't think there's any steel tank that will bolt on to an S4Rs or S4Rt.
Why not?
Testa heads that different?
Quote from: Speeddog on January 21, 2012, 11:15:44 AM
Not sure about the carbon ones, but I don't think there's any steel tank that will bolt on to an S4Rs or S4Rt.
Whoops! Hadn't had [coffee] yet. There is NO stock steel tank that will fit over an S4Rt or S4Rs. 998 required different under tank component locations, unless you move a bunch of stuff under the tank.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 21, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
Whoops! Hadn't had [coffee] yet. There is NO stock steel tank that will fit over an S4Rt or S4Rs. 998 required different under tank component locations, unless you move a bunch of stuff under the tank.
So it's components...
not the motor itself?
id say if your going to the trouble of changing, prob cutting and welding, the hinge on your frame, and installing a fuel regulator and lines from a steel tank, and then haveing to reline and painting the steel tank, then relocating/positioning the components under the tank prob isnt to big a deal..
its a lot of effort really, but i dont have a plastic tank, so im not sure how un-awesome they really are [cheeky]
I just hope my caswell coating did the trick... [thumbsup]
Quote from: TAftonomos on January 21, 2012, 05:34:56 PM
I just hope my caswell coating did the trick... [thumbsup]
If you got complete coverage...
I'd bet it will.
Quote from: Roaduser on January 21, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
id say if your going to the trouble of changing, prob cutting and welding, the hinge on your frame, and installing a fuel regulator and lines from a steel tank, and then haveing to reline and painting the steel tank, then relocating/positioning the components under the tank prob isnt to big a deal..
its a lot of effort really, but i dont have a plastic tank, so im not sure how un-awesome they really are [cheeky]
No cut. No weld. Plastic tanks = the suck. Class dismissed...
DP: yes, under tank components (battery, wiring, coils, etc...), not motor
I have two plastic tanks that have been coated with caswell by a shop in Pittsburg and I'm sure it will hold. I'm just on a personal mission to have an aluminum tank created for my Monster (just cause).
Not getting an earlier model tank, not going to worry about refitting lines, etc, etc. Just going to have an S2R specific tank made so I can put my current fuel pump in there and be good.
Stew - Are you up for a challenge like this? I'd rather give my cash to a forum member than said shop in MA.
I know a guy that hand built a TT tank out of AL.
I'll see if he's up to making something else.
If someone comes up with an aluminum tank for a reasonable price I'll bet you will have a line around the door stretching some 20k bikes. Good luck. [thumbsup]
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 22, 2012, 06:02:57 AM
I have two plastic tanks that have been coated with caswell by a shop in Pittsburg and I'm sure it will hold. I'm just on a personal mission to have an aluminum tank created for my Monster (just cause).
Not getting an earlier model tank, not going to worry about refitting lines, etc, etc. Just going to have an S2R specific tank made so I can put my current fuel pump in there and be good.
Stew - Are you up for a challenge like this? I'd rather give my cash to a forum member than said shop in MA.
Too busy these days and my AL forming isn't up to the task... Thanks though
Quote from: muskrat on January 22, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
If someone comes up with an aluminum tank for a reasonable price I'll bet you will have a line around the door stretching some 20k bikes. Good luck. [thumbsup]
You've had a lot to say about the whole tank situation, even without a dog in the fight...
define reasonable.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on January 22, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Too busy these days and my AL forming isn't up to the task... Thanks though
:)
Got my first quote - Battistini in the UK wants $3100.00 and needs me to ship them my tank. 3 weeks for production.
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 23, 2012, 05:32:01 AM
Got my first quote - Battistini in the UK wants $3100.00 and needs me to ship them my tank. 3 weeks for production.
Shipping to the UK will be more than you expect.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2012, 06:03:02 AM
Shipping to the UK will be more than you expect.
I haven't even factored that into the equation. I would expect that to be another $200-$300.00 at the very least. Stateside options are going to be my best bet. Plus Japan will ship me one for about $2400.00. So the UK is definitely out.
I bet the $300 range is pretty close.
I don't think you'll beat $2400, but that number is for the other style pump mounting.
A flange with retainers is going to be more expensive to make, and keep flat during fabrication/welding.
You probably figured that already.
Quote from: muskrat on January 23, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
I owned two with plastic tanks so I have been an affected customer and now the whole bunch I ride with has the issues so yes I chime in with my thoughts.
Reasonable would be $1k or less IMO
You're entitled to your opinion...but...I want some of what you're smoking.
That isn't even reasonable from the buyers perspective. [laugh] That's highway robbery.
You can't buy a new OEM tank for that...granted they are ridiculously over priced...
you can't buy a carbon tank for that...
you can't buy an eti tank for that...
and I doubt anyone can hand build one for that in their garage if they count their labor even at short dollars.
Aluminum fabrication is almost all hand work by skilled workers.
Why would you be able to buy a hand made aluminum tank for that?
Be realistic.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Aluminum fabrication is almost all hand work by skilled workers.
Why would you be able to buy a hand made aluminum tank for that?
Maybe skilled workers from third world countries could produce the hand made aluminum tanks for under $1K.
Quote from: Travman on January 23, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
Maybe skilled workers from third world countries could produce the hand made aluminum tanks for under $1K.
Maybe.
I just don't see an aluminum tank being marketed for a grand even if they get produced for a price that would allow it.
Besides a weight issue, is there a chance that tanks can be forged?
Two halves welded together....
I'm thinking they'd be a top and bottom, but likely not two halves.
That was one of the labor intensive parts of the steel Monster tanks.
They were 5 pieces welded together and then finished.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 24, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
I'm thinking they'd be a top and bottom, but likely not two halves.
That was one of the labor intensive parts of the steel Monster tanks.
They were 5 pieces welded together and then finished.
Stamped aluminum and then hand finished, but someone would have to make the form.
A stamping would require as many pieces as a stock metal tank.
The tooling would be expensive, and the somewhat limited market wouldn't justify the expense.
I could be completely wrong about all this.
Time will tell.
It'd be at least 2 pieces for the top, considering how much the sides wrap under.
1 piece for the filler 'well'.
1 piece for the bottom.
1 thick piece for the flange to bolt the fuel pump plate to.
A folded hinge bracket for the rear mount.
Then 6 threaded 'inserts' for the 2 rubber pads and the latch.
2 nipples for the vent and filler overflow.
2 formed tubes to connect the vent and overflow nipples on the bottom to the filler 'well'.
I'm pretty confident that if it were possible to get it made 3rd world and sold for $1k.... you'd see tanks on EBay right now.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 24, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
It'd be at least 2 pieces for the top, considering how much the sides wrap under.
1 piece for the filler 'well'.
1 piece for the bottom.
1 thick piece for the flange to bolt the fuel pump plate to.
A folded hinge bracket for the rear mount.
Then 6 threaded 'inserts' for the 2 rubber pads and the latch.
2 nipples for the vent and filler overflow.
2 formed tubes to connect the vent and overflow nipples on the bottom to the filler 'well'.
I'm pretty confident that if it were possible to get it made 3rd world and sold for $1k.... you'd see tanks on EBay right now.
86 the vent and overflow or just use an old style overflow only -- doubles as a vent.
i bet alibaba.com has answers... :-)_
UPDATE
Spoke with the folks at Tanks by Tigman. We're moving forward on a steel tank (easier to paint and half as expensive as an alum. one). It might be a bit heavier than stock but I can deal with that. I owe him photos from a couple of angles of the tank. Top, back, bottom sides, area where the fuel pump goes and gas cap area. Someone wouldn't have those handy would they??
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/cap2.jpg)
What are the exchange rates like for the Beaters?
http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html#d9 (http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html#d9)
or maybe going to India
http://uniautoindia.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/108342544-101510819/Fuel_Tank_for_Motorcycles.html (http://uniautoindia.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/108342544-101510819/Fuel_Tank_for_Motorcycles.html)
or
http://vintageautoworld.trustpass.alibaba.com/ (http://vintageautoworld.trustpass.alibaba.com/)
Quote from: Raux on January 24, 2012, 12:58:12 PM
What are the exchange rates like for the Beaters?
http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html#d9 (http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html#d9)
About $2200.00 USD. Assuming that this doesn't include shipping, so add another $300.00 to that or so...
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on January 24, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
UPDATE
Spoke with the folks at Tanks by Tigman. We're moving forward on a steel tank (easier to paint and half as expensive as an alum. one). It might be a bit heavier than stock but I can deal with that. I owe him photos from a couple of angles of the tank. Top, back, bottom sides, area where the fuel pump goes and gas cap area. Someone wouldn't have those handy would they??
Just get one of these and bolt it on should work fine
(http://www.tanksbytigman.com/images/tanks/custom/large_images//11_1.jpg)
from another site
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Well, that is something good that we do not let anybody wait for more than 1 month. We can produce approximately 10 alloy tanks in a month. Steel tanks (any number required per month). For ducati alloy tanks, we might take some time for the first tank to make mounting jigs and other fixtures, templates etc. Once the first tank is ready, we can do around 7-8 ducati tanks per month.
Steel tanks are no problem for us but they'll be heavy. Alloy tanks go well with these bikes.
Unfortunately, i am not a fabricator myself but i get everything done by professionals and duly check them on mounting jigs to make sure it fits perfect and for any leaks.
We just need a frame to check the fitting but we will probably not need it as the jigs we make are made according to the tank design. We make over 70 different style of tanks with the jigs we have for them and every tank fits perfect on customer's motorcycles. So, this is not a big problem.
The biggest problem currently is to get a sample tank
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Quote from: Raux on January 24, 2012, 01:19:20 PM
The biggest problem currently is to get a sample tank
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That is the guy I was talking to and I have a tank to send him. I am just working out the shipping.
Quote from: ducatiz on January 24, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
That is the guy I was talking to and I have a tank to send him. I am just working out the shipping.
Pming you....
Quote from: ducatiz on January 24, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
That is the guy I was talking to and I have a tank to send him. I am just working out the shipping.
Make sure it isn't swollen. I'd hate to see a metal tank with the wrong dimensions (ha ha).
-Jeff
Quote from: jgrm1 on January 25, 2012, 06:35:36 AM
Make sure it isn't swollen. I'd hate to see a metal tank with the wrong dimensions (ha ha).
-Jeff
lol thanks
Quote from: ducatiz on January 24, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
That is the guy I was talking to and I have a tank to send him. I am just working out the shipping.
I have a S4RS tank available
I was curious about the fuel pump variation between the monster 620 and the s2r. I realize the size/ placement varies because of the different composite of the tank. But what I am wondering is if the fuel pump's output is different? Is there a different flow rate/psi between the two?
Quote from: kittay on January 25, 2012, 11:07:46 AM
I was curious about the fuel pump variation between the monster 620 and the s2r. I realize the size/ placement varies because of the different composite of the tank. But what I am wondering is if the fuel pump's output is different? Is there a different flow rate/psi between the two?
Answer kinda addressed by Duck-Stew's earlier comments:
early finished with a steel tank swap onto a 2007 S2R1000 right now.
Besides ALL of Speeddog's comments (which are right), here's my additionals:
Fuel pressure between steel and plastic tank bikes is common @ 45psi. So, you'll need to plumb in a pressure regulator from a steel tank bike to make the system hold pressure.
Steel tanks from 2000/01 M900's are NOT compatible. Do not buy unless you want to do major fab work under the tank (although they hold a bit more fuel...). Only get 2002-early 2005 tanks. (2005 was a split production year for tanks with early being steel & late being plastic).
You'll also need the tank hinge bracket & hardware.
On this swap (also a formerly dented tank), I had the tank hinge area welded or brazed up before doing the internal coating so as to avoid future issues later.
Also, old internal fuel lines get weak and brittle. Buy NEW submersible fuel lines to go in the tank as replacement is a PITA later.Look for my latest custom to debut later this month or February...
Someone with a metal tank send me pictures of the hinge mount (seat removed, tank down, tank up, rear, side)?
thanks
Quote from: ducatiz on January 25, 2012, 01:13:17 PM
Someone with a metal tank send me pictures of the hinge mount (seat removed, tank down, tank up, rear, side)?
thanks
Would photos of an old carbie tank work? I think it is the same hinge.
Quote from: howie on January 25, 2012, 01:26:24 PM
Would photos of an old carbie tank work? I think it is the same hinge.
I was hoping to get a few different types -- I think there are at least 2 different hinges... fire away.. still have my email?
Quote from: ducatiz on January 25, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
I was hoping to get a few different types -- I think there are at least 2 different hinges... fire away.. still have my email?
If I do I don't know where. Good thing I'm not a lawyer. I will take the photos tomorrow.
So if I have a 620 with a metal tank and an s2r1k with a plastic would it be possible to swap the tank for tank?
I know something was mentioned about having a pressure regulator, was this already included in the metal tank bikes?
I am really wanting to do this swap, I just don't want to get in over my head or mess something up. I was mostly worried about fuel delivery issues if the pumps had different outputs.
Thanks :)
Quote from: kittay on June 13, 2012, 12:05:04 PM
So if I have a 620 with a metal tank and an s2r1k with a plastic would it be possible to swap the tank for tank?
I know something was mentioned about having a pressure regulator, was this already included in the metal tank bikes?
I am really wanting to do this swap, I just don't want to get in over my head or mess something up. I was mostly worried about fuel delivery issues if the pumps had different outputs.
Thanks :)
The steel tanks used an external pressure regulator.
If you put the tank from the 620 on the S2R you'd need to add one.
Ok, do you know where I can find one? I know the tank will be better, but will the fuel pump be sufficient with the FPR?
The old style pump will be sufficient.
I'd check ebay or you can buy one from a dealer.