I heard about this on car talk today. I figured it would look something like the old Dart, but it looks more like an updated Neon.
http://www.dodge.com/en/2013/dart/ (http://www.dodge.com/en/2013/dart/)
There's a bunch of chatter about it in this thread:
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25129.msg997918#msg997918 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25129.msg997918#msg997918)
I'd say a Fiat Neon is a fairly accurate description.
There is no MPG rating on the Dodge website about it.
Seems like MPG in general takes a backseat to HP when it comes to MoPar stuff.
Quote from: D Paoli on January 22, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
There is no MPG rating on the Dodge website about it.
Seems like MPG in general takes a backseat to HP when it comes to MoPar stuff.
As it should.
The "yeah, it's got a HEMI" campaigns really hurt them.
Most people associate them with big HP, but not with MPG.
Well the MPG came to mind when I noticed that all three engines were inline 4's and one of them was a 1.4L turbo. But yet No MPG rating. maybe they should offer the 3.6 in that thing too.
They are claiming up to 40MPG as reported here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/07/marchionne-2013-dodge-dart-will-have-optional-9-speed-auto-hit/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/07/marchionne-2013-dodge-dart-will-have-optional-9-speed-auto-hit/)
But, they are having issues with the Hyundai sourced 9spd slushbox:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/19/dodge-dart-to-use-transmission-from-hyundai/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/19/dodge-dart-to-use-transmission-from-hyundai/)
Have you noticed that these slush boxes aren't as slush as they used to be?
Quote from: D Paoli on January 22, 2012, 10:00:31 PM
Have you noticed that these slush boxes aren't as slush as they used to be?
Have you driven a Hyundai lately? Or a Ford? Or a Nissan ;D
All kidding aside, most are getting much better.
I was really disappointed in the '12 Ford Fiesta that I drove last week, however.
yea I haven't driven those. Mazda 3, Chrysler 300, GMC Acadia and my Mercedes E320 (which is going on 12 years old now) are the most recent ones I have driven. They have tight transmissions. I guess I figured it was the new way of doing things.
Not the Dart! The Goggomobile!
Yellow Pages® Australia - Goggomobil (Not the Dart) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk6pO7eLeiM#)
;)
big
Meh. :P
I recall reading in some auto industry column that the new Dart is Alfa-based. If true, that's one way to make a hideous Alfa Romeo.....
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on January 22, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
Have you driven a Hyundai lately? Or a Ford? Or a Nissan ;D
All kidding aside, most are getting much better.
I was really disappointed in the '12 Ford Fiesta that I drove last week, however.
I was in a Ford Fusion rental and was quite impressed by the slushbox. Although the one in my 12 Chevrolet Malibu is a POS for sure.
Quote from: D Paoli on January 22, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
There is no MPG rating on the Dodge website about it.
Seems like MPG in general takes a backseat to HP when it comes to MoPar stuff.
They don't have it yet.
When the MPG ratings are finalized, they are posted on fueleconomy.gov -- nothing for 2013 yet.
Let me start this by saying:
I will NOT be buying one.
Now that I've got that out of the way, I'll say that this is a much better successor to the Neon than the Caliber ever was. A friend of mine bought a new neon in college...round 05 or so, and it was an excellent car...for her. [laugh] It was cheap, drove decently...had everything a economy car should, plus some. I heard the SRT neon was a hoot to drive...never got in one myself though
I think the Dart will do a great job as a replacement for that [thumbsup]
P.S.--while it isn't exactly pretty, I'm glad to see dodge is finally starting to add a little design sense
If your ever around I can take you for a ride in my neon srt4
Here's a shot from the auto show
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407006_509529848013_207200010_30535437_946637824_n.jpg)
Srt version which is probably photo shopped.
.(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399459_315261548519169_137435436301782_988869_2132695200_n.jpg)
Personally I wouldn't touch it unless in srt trim.. but I'd rather them come out with the demon.. then make an srt version of that..
Quote from: cokey on January 23, 2012, 07:57:43 AM
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399459_315261548519169_137435436301782_988869_2132695200_n.jpg)
Considering those are Scion FR-S concept wheels, I would think you are right about the photoshop. LOL.
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/12/2011/04/scion_fr-s_002.jpg)
When I saw the thread title, I thought it was a new variant of Dodgeball... [evil]
Then I saw the car and was highly disappointed, yet not surprised... :P
[bacon]
Dodging darts.. hmm sounds fun..
Quote from: cokey on January 23, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
Dodging darts.. hmm sounds fun..
I was envisioning it being played with this old school lawn darts. [evil]
If you can dodge a ball, you can dodge a dart! ;D
[bacon]
I hope for Dodge's sake this thing is better than the Caliber. I had the opportunity to tool around in said Caliber as a rental on two separate occasions. Perhaps the worst car I have ever driven. (no offense to any Caliber owners here)
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on January 23, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
I was envisioning it being played with this old school lawn darts. [evil]
If you can dodge a ball, you can dodge a dart! ;D
[bacon]
you forgot to insert the clip of video from Dodgeball where Rip Torn goes there and then throws a wrench at the kid and hits him in the head...
Quote from: zooom on January 23, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
you forgot to insert the clip of video from Dodgeball where Rip Torn goes there and then throws a wrench at the kid and hits him in the head...
I didn't forget, I was just being lazy... ;)
[bacon]
I drove a caliber to Niagara falls.. it was ok but I wouldn't pay more then 3k for a new one.. comfort wise my wife hated it, I don't uncomfortable in anything so im not good in judging that aspect.. I liked it better then a base 05' v6 stang though..
I am watching a show about SRT's that I recorded and they drove this to 162 MPH on the Auto Bahn.
(http://blog.jeep.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/JP012_013GC.jpg)
It doesn't look like something that would go that fast.
Heck if I can keep my GMC Jimmy at 55 going up the hill it's doing good.
(http://media.motortopia.com/files/6063/vehicle/47e56b0d020e4/1997_GMC_Jimmy_SLS_4WD_001.jpg)
This one isn't mine but I have one that looks exactly like this one except mine has extra dents and stuff
Later on the show the Jeep turns an 8:49 at Nurburgring.
I was very much anticipating the return of Alfa to US soil, but I will never purchase one under the Dodge badge. [bang]
I think Alfa is passing up a great opportunity to become a niche Italian made car that the masses can afford.
Not many of my generation have the negative stigma of the Alfa brand of yester years.
Quote from: DesmoDiva on January 24, 2012, 08:05:03 AM
I was very much anticipating the return of Alfa to US soil, but I will never purchase one under the Dodge badge. [bang]
I think Alfa is passing up a great opportunity to become a niche Italian made car that the masses can afford.
Not many of my generation have the negative stigma of the Alfa brand of yester years.
Agreed.
[puke] [thumbsdown]
(http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2012/01/2013-dodge-dart-1.jpg)
VERSUS
[drool] (notice the hidden rear door handles)
(http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/alfa-romeo/giulietta/2011/fd/2011_alfa-romeo_giulietta_actf34_fd_414101_717.jpg)
Quote from: DesmoDiva on January 24, 2012, 08:05:03 AM
I was very much anticipating the return of Alfa to US soil, but I will never purchase one under the Dodge badge. [bang]
+2
Another comparison.
Sexy Italian goodness:
(http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/alfa-romeo/alfa-romeo-8c.jpg)
Then Dodge gets a hold of it and:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/03/01-2011-dodge-grand-caravan-opt.jpg)
;D