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Title: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: Speeddog on January 25, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
Glad to see he's getting the hang of the mind games.

""The truth is that Honda already had a good bike even before my arrival: it just needed new strength coming from the outside, fresher strength able to make the difference without being frightened by this role."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97159 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97159)



Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2012, 04:11:12 AM
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"It's not true Honda spent so much money, because it's not a company of stupid people. It made no sense to invest a lot on a bike, the 800cc, on the verge of being retired, while in the meantime the new 1000cc was being developed.


except for the fact that Honda was a major catalyst in getting the 800cc era implemented and it would have been a pock mark and then some to them for to have not gotten a championship in an era they spurred into existance....but I guess that doesn't matter at all...and while he does say they didn't spend alot in development on 2011 on that bike, while that may have some truth, they did alot of that development on the 2010 bike before his arrival for to make that 2011 machine be what it was....


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: gm2 on January 26, 2012, 10:02:54 AM
and while he does say they didn't spend alot in development on 2011 on that bike, while that may have some truth, they did alot of that development on the 2010 bike before his arrival for to make that 2011 machine be what it was....

that is the case tho.  they finally had it sorted by about the middle of 2010.  and of course they did a ton of development before that.  to your point, they had been working their asses off (not very successfully) since the bike debuted in 2007 and got left in the dust.  considering their push for the 800s, if they hadn't won at all in that era: hara-kiri time.



Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 26, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
They probably gave up trying to make it Pedrobot's bike and just started making it a better bike all round. Everyone who rode it last year did OK on it... Stoner, Dovi, Super Sic, Dani, etc. Well sorted scooter on tires that worked well on it ridden by good (some great!) riders. What's to go wrong with that formula? [Dolph] [popcorn]


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: zooom on January 26, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
They probably gave up trying to make it Pedrobot's bike and just started making it a better bike all round. Everyone who rode it last year did OK on it... Stoner, Dovi, Super Sic, Dani, etc. Well sorted scooter on tires that worked well on it ridden by good (some great!) riders. What's to go wrong with that formula? [Dolph] [popcorn]

hell, look at Dovi the 2nd half of the 2010 season when SmurfyMcDouchnozzle still wasn't putting it on the rostrum


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: duccarlos on January 26, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
Before they built a bike that only the midget could ride. Since 2010 the focus changed as soon as they understood they could get Stoner. What Stoner did do was show that he is by far a better rider compared to Brittle Bones. When you put a great rider on the most sorted bike on the grid, you get last year's domination.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: desmoquattro on January 26, 2012, 02:03:11 PM
Before they built a bike that only the midget could ride. Since 2010 the focus changed as soon as they understood they could get Stoner. What Stoner did do was show that he is by far a better rider compared to Brittle Bones. When you put a great rider on the most sorted bike on the grid, you get last year's domination.

...or 2007's ;D


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 26, 2012, 03:56:08 PM
What he said. [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 26, 2012, 07:53:38 PM
Ah... were these comments really necessary? Doesn't this kind of crap feed the "Stoner is a whiny pregnant dog" attitude?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jan/120126f.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jan/120126f.htm)


I don't remember Vale smack talking about Honda or whiny boy.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: koko64 on January 26, 2012, 11:34:42 PM
I do.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: derby on January 27, 2012, 07:57:10 AM
"It made no sense to invest a lot on a bike, the 800cc, on the verge of being retired while in the meantime the new 1000cc was being developed."


he's right... absolutely zero sense (unless you're a japanese company in the final year of a competition class you pushed for and hadn't won a championship in yet).

 ;D


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: Triple J on January 27, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
Ah... were these comments really necessary? Doesn't this kind of crap feed the "Stoner is a whiny pregnant dog" attitude?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jan/120126f.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jan/120126f.htm)


I don't remember Vale smack talking about Honda or whiny boy.

He isn't whining. They asked a question, and he answered it. He's right, the Duc wa a POS in 2009, 2010, and as Rossi found out - 2011. He's also right that it'd be very surprising if Ducati is suddenly fighting for podiums this year.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 27, 2012, 12:00:06 PM
Meh... maybe I just took it the wrong way. Don't mean to start the "Stoner is a whiner" thing again. [thumbsup]

I'd sure like to see a Duc fighting for a podium. Damn sure hope they are at least ahead of the CRTs. :P I've just got a feeling that even with the displacement bump this year we could be seeing a whole lot more of Stoner winning races. I hope for better competition from the Yamaha and Ducati camp but I just don't see Stoner getting any slower over the off season or the Honda having any Ducati-like sorting problems.

Oh well... hey, when's the first WSBK race? [popcorn] [laugh]


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: derby on January 27, 2012, 12:04:42 PM

...or the Honda having any Ducati-like sorting problems.


like they did in 2007? the maiden rc212v was a friggin POS.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 27, 2012, 04:53:36 PM
I think they got it figured out. [Dolph] ;) Again, maybe they decided not to "Pedrobot it".


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: Jester on January 28, 2012, 11:51:57 AM
I think they got it figured out. [Dolph] ;) Again, maybe they decided not to "Pedrobot it".

Pedro wasn't the problem.  It was his injuries.  I think he would have given a hell of a run at a few championships if he didn't break himself into pieces each year.  The guy is just as fast as the others.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 28, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
At times he is indeed. But Stoner was just on a roll last season. McBrittlebones for sure has had injury issues the last couple of seasons but I don't think Dani could have put on a big threat this last season hurt or not.

Hopefully everyone will stay healthy this season and we can see what everyone has got on the new big block bikes. [Dolph] [popcorn]


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: swampduc on January 28, 2012, 05:04:43 PM


I don't remember Vale smack talking about Honda or whiny boy.
[laugh]
Are you serious?!


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 28, 2012, 05:36:17 PM
Yes, I am serious. Vale always speaks the truth. He would never smack talk or say a disparaging word. Just like Colin Edwards never says how it really is. Both of them altar boys for sure. [thumbsup] ;)


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: triangleforge on January 30, 2012, 09:30:17 AM
He isn't whining. They asked a question, and he answered it. He's right, the Duc wa a POS in 2009, 2010, and as Rossi found out - 2011. He's also right that it'd be very surprising if Ducati is suddenly fighting for podiums this year.

Immediately, maybe. But I think the change in rules regarding testing is huge; Casey has shown that he's got the natural talent, feel & guts to go crazy fast on anything with two wheels, even if it's not fully developed for him - put him on a bike as sorted as the 2011 Honda and it's good from the first lap. But Rossi and Burgess have shown that, with enough testing time & a willing, deep-pockets sponsor, they can use brute force to turn most any dog into a greyhound. Might explain why Stoner's was the loudest voice questioning the expansion in testing for 2012...


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: Triple J on January 30, 2012, 09:42:44 AM
I doubt Stoner's all that worried. He knows he's fast and on a good bike. He probably didn't directly question the increased testing time, but rather answered a question as to whether he thought it was good/necessary. I'm sure he thinks what they're allowed now is OK.

I hope Ducati can turn it around...we'll see. I'd love to see some good battles for the podium.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: duccarlos on January 30, 2012, 11:09:02 AM
I doubt Stoner's all that worried. He knows he's fast and on a good bike. He probably didn't directly question the increased testing time, but rather answered a question as to whether he thought it was good/necessary. I'm sure he thinks what they're allowed now is OK.

I hope Ducati can turn it around...we'll see. I'd love to see some good battles for the podium.

Anyone riding a bike that is as sorted as the Honda would not want the competition to have 1 second of additional testing. It would be ridiculous to expect anyone to answer any differently. I'm sure he doesn't want to give Vale/Burgess any sort of chance to make the Duc better.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: Triple J on January 30, 2012, 11:14:40 AM
Anyone riding a bike that is as sorted as the Honda would not want the competition to have 1 second of additional testing. It would be ridiculous to expect anyone to answer any differently. I'm sure he doesn't want to give Vale/Burgess any sort of chance to make the Duc better.

True...Stoner is also well known for getting comfortable on a bike very quickly though.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: duccarlos on January 30, 2012, 11:32:55 AM
Exactly, another reason for him to prefer limited testing. This rule change was meant to be an advantage for he CRT's and Vale. I don't see the Yammie getting much different. The Honda is already a beast.


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 30, 2012, 01:43:30 PM
The masses are right. If you are in Stoner's shoes with a good bike why in the world would you want any team or rider to have more testing time? I'm sure he would like to have more testing but not everyone else. God forbid they might catch up! [laugh] And that's what DORNA wants. ;) They claimed the limit was all about saving everyone $$$ but Honda blew that excuse by being a little too dominant. Ergo, more testing. [Dolph]


Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: fastwin on January 30, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
Stoner speaks:

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2012/01/30/casey-stoner-ready-for-test/ (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2012/01/30/casey-stoner-ready-for-test/)


And his new bike:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/2012rc213v/ (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/2012rc213v/)






Title: Re: Stoner tightening the screws....
Post by: OT on February 17, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
This is funny!

Casey's new baby  [thumbsup]

Born on Rossi's birthday  [laugh]

Let the head games begin!

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/motogp-champion-casey-stoners-wife-adriana-gives-birth-to-the-couples-first-baby-allessandra-stoner/story-fn2ms4i4-1226273586588 (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/motogp-champion-casey-stoners-wife-adriana-gives-birth-to-the-couples-first-baby-allessandra-stoner/story-fn2ms4i4-1226273586588)


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