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Not "how much would you LIKE to pay"  it is "How much WOULD you pay?"  If you're willing to shell out 1500 say so.  That doesn't mean it will be that much.  I just need to know how much interest there is.

Assume the tank will fit any carbed or FI 2v monster.  May fit other models, but at this point only focusing on 2v.

You use your original fuel pump setup (just assume).  

Tank is dimensionally identical to your original tank.

On earlier bikes, you'll receive a new hinge plate that replaces the old one (figure $50-75 extra).

Internal plumbing is the same as later model tanks (overflow, vent)

Filler cap is your original factory one.

External connections will be different for carbed tanks.  Fuel pump access will be from the bottom as on later models.

Now how much would you pay?  

(Yes I know about the Beater Moto tanks.  $2250 plus $400 in shipping is why no one has one)
(I'm considering investing in this, I need to know realistically how many can be sold before I have 100 made...)

**EDIT**

At this point, I am waiting on the prototype.

I plan three versions of the 2v tank:

A.  Straight replacement for the plastic-tanked models.  Just put your tank parts on the replacement (pads, latch, filler, and pump assembly) and go.

B.  Modified replacement for the metal tanked EFI models.  Updated design for the fuel pump MOUNT.  Fuel pump will be mounted from the BOTTOM in the same fashion as the plastic tanks.  You will get a bottom flange cover that has a clip and wiring plug hole for your current setup.  Minor work required to move everything over.

C.  Modified replacement for the metal tanks CARBED models.  Same as B above except you will need to source a low-volume pump from a carbed SS, a wiring plug, a filter and some hose.  You'll need to splice the wiring into a switched power source on the bike.  Directions will show how to do all of this.  The flange cover will be similar to B above.  Alternatively, you can just leave your current pump and filter in place and use a pickup mesh in the tank.

I'm not affected yet, but I'm not at all sure I won't be  [bang]

If the outer shape and size is the same, maybe the capacity will be higher....
Similar shape, but plus ~ 5 mm in each direction, and thinner walls than plastic, would increase capacity by a gallon or two (?)
It would add another very marketable selling point 8)

I have to assume the capacity would be more, no idea how much until the prototypes are finished.

Increasing the outside measurements by ~ 5 mm will increase capacity only by 5% (VERY rough calculation) and will probably be difficult, so let's forget I mentioned it.

The useable capacity between steel (alu) and plastic is significant though - at least one, maybe one and a half liter  [thumbsup]

 [popcorn]

I have been thinking about buying the aluminum tank from Japan once my plastic replacement tank starts to bloat.  They are charging about $2000.   Here's a link if you want to do some competitive research:
http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html (http://www.moto-works.jp/beater/index.html)

Thanks for reading my original post carefully...  [thumbsup]

IZ,

Are you thinking of contacting panel beater? If so I might be willing to step up, there quality looks amazing. Considering a factory plastic tank would be about $1500.00 I'd go a bit more for one of their aluminum tanks, knowing how nice they are and that the problem would finally be solved.
Plus I could paint it up like a 1198sp with that cool bare metal stripe. Yeah!!!

jimi

Do you mean the generic term "panel beater" or are you referring to a specific business?

I have a shop that's interested in the work and I'll be fronting the investment if there is enough interest for me to recoup costs.

If I needed to replace my tank then I'd consider getting an AL replacement. If I were going to replace a working tank, I'd definitely want the new tank to have a larger capacity.

I would do this in a heartbeat.

Sending PM

This business idea is premature and that's what makes it good.
Good, but it also means taking some risk.

You can be the first to offer a real fix and that will earn you credibility points.
Early presence is key - the competitors will be measured against your product.
The combined package of quality, design, looks, reputation and price will have to match the competition - again and again. This includes customer service and the ability to meet future demand.

The market isn't there yet, but it will come.
Most owners aren't even aware of the issue, but it will be a '916 rocker arm'-question a few years from now.
Picture a flaking rocker arm openly visible!
Owners, current and prospective, will have to solve this issue to save their bikes.

IMO you have two options:
Make a limited number of tanks (100, 200, 300), sell at a high price and that's it.
Or, organize a production capacity that can handle a high demand and stay in the lead.
If you aren't prepared, willing and ready to meet demand - someone else will take over.
Because you showed them the market, they will be confident to invest and do it professionally.

It's going to be huge and it's profitable, but that also means it's going to be competitive.

I wish you luck [thumbsup]

I'm not allowed to vote but if I were I remember 1k strike price.   :P

Don't take this the wrong way but I wonder if an aluminum tank is the solution. I keep reading Aluminum isn't that great with ethanol either.

Aluminum that isn't treated in some way isn't good for anything.  It has to be anodized or painted or it can corrode.  For these tanks, I am going to look into using a tank coating.  There are plenty of tank coatings on the market that work perfectly with aluminum. 

If only there was some love for my bike...

I didn't vote because I don't have a Monster...but if I did I would pay $1,500 + shipping no problem. If one was available, then I might even consider getting another Monster.

IZ-   what exactly are you saying?   Yes I understand your ? Yes, I have voted, just don't tease us with the thought that in time there may actually be a cure all for the problem that, many of us have with our tanks. If a tank is created, maintains the original look, and possibly gives a little more volume. Hell yeah I'm interested. Might even front up some cash to help with developing.

There is a couple of guys over on the Sport Classic site that are trying to get an aluminum tank made in India.  http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/77261-sport-classic-aluminum-tank-r-d-thread.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/77-sport-classic/77261-sport-classic-aluminum-tank-r-d-thread.html)

I'd go for $1500 but would prefer less of course.
Sure you can't do $19.95 and if you call now, a second one is thrown in for no extra charge?

How about a Chromo version?  [popcorn]

the tanks will be polished but unfinished.  if you want to dip it in chrome, you're more than welcome to!

That's exactly what I was thinking.  Duplicate the S2R1000 paint scheme, but replace the white stripe with bare aluminum.  Very cool.

-Jeff

awesome idea.  i don't have the issue, but if i did... well, let's be honest i'd take as many free plastic tanks as they'd give me.  then i'd buy an aluminum one.  not sure how much i'd be willing to pay.  $1000.00 seems like more than a fair price, but then again there's nothing fair about prices on parts for our bikes.  so I'll pay 1 MILLION dollars.

(http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/dr-evil-8-4-11-1.jpg)

Iz-
   Thanks for considering the financials of this endeavour.  I have been in contact with Simon at Beater, so I understand the investment and time it would take to craft each tank.

I don't know how your metalworkers would prefer to set up the run (two symmetrical stamped sides, one from below), but if it gets close to Beater's craftsmanship, I'd definitely be in.

My concerns would be these:  1) compatibility with existing fuel pump (size and location), 2) robust hinge area and 3) precision dimensions for proper fit to the frame and ignition surround for clamping.

Offer it in unfinished (for paint prep) and polish or 'prepped for polish' and I don't think you can lose.

I'll PM you as well.  Literally I was saving up for a Beater tank this spring, despite all my whining about the S2R tank. . . .

Did you see this? http://www.ducati.com/bikes/diavel/diavel_cromo/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/diavel/diavel_cromo/index.do)  [roll]

$750 would be the most I would pay for one but doesn't sound like ones for the S4RS will be included - more than $750 if I have to get a 4th tank I'll get one from Duc before the 18 months and sell it, take the $$ and buy something else that won't have that issue

Is that Chrome plated plastic?

Steel tank on that bike I believe.

Since I'm not faced with the plastic tank debacle and there is no urgency in my life for a new tank and ducpainter could almost always fix my tank I chose $1500.  I don't think $2000 is excessive for a well done aluminum tank.

Considering that I'm buying an S2R for $5000, and planning on buying a CA Cycleworks plastic tank for $500, I would definitely pay $1000 for an unfinished Aluminum tank.  In fact, Please please do this!  The S2R is my perfect bike, but It's really been making me sad that I have to replace the tank for a bike I have a deposit on with a tank that can't be painted or is equally as faulty.  Especially because I was unaware of the issue when i put he deposit down.

the tank is plastic!

That's the Suck!

Here is the other potential.

Convince Ducati NA that THIS is what they should be replacing tanks with to avoid the market for used Ducatis and ANY Ducati with a plastic tank ...tanking  8)

Wouldn't change anything from Ducati's perspective, as they can't/won't go through the process of certifying the different bikes with this tank.

You took a magnet to the showroom?!  ??? I've read steel in several places. Is that just a steel cover then, as a magnetic tank bag works on the "standard". So..., you are saying that the "real" tank is plastic while the skin is steel on several versions?

Hmmm...

I voted for 1500 max. Considering most 2v bikes from mid 2000's on are worth on average ~5k then it really doesn't make much sense spending half the value on just a tank.

My 2007 S4RS is left out again.  No one makes a tank for it, except Ducati, and, well, I have one of those already.

Maybe one of the reasons you don't see and Beater Moto tanks is because the company never responds to emails, at least not the ones I've sent

yep its the cover that's metal

Maybe contact Jvax on this board.  I know he's based in Japan and he speaks japanese... he was the one that posted a link up to the new monster alu tank and said that he was in contact with them.  Since it seems that he knows them already, it will probably be easier for him to get any answers.

After rereading your original post, I would easily pay $1500 to $1750. And it would be a definite yes

I contacted him a bit ago before deciding to investigate myself and before hearing about this from Ducatiz, unfortunately, I got nothing....

metal tanks were 4.5 gallons if memory don't fail .. plastic tanks 2.5gl ...

On the monsters? Steel tanks were almost 4.4 gallons and the plastic tanks were 3.6 gallons.

when I fill mine up .,.. that's running on fumes, it takes only 2.6gl ...2005 M620D ... plastic tank, my buddy, S4R, S4, 4.4gl also from the fumes ...

That seems a little weird and quite a bit off. Has your tank expanded a lot?

At 2.6 gallons you would only be getting around 80 +/- miles to the tank...

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ducati_monster_620_dark_2005.php (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ducati_monster_620_dark_2005.php)

http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/ducati/standard/2005/monster/620-dark.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/ducati/standard/2005/monster/620-dark.html)

http://www.motorbikespecifications.com/2005-ducati-monster-620-dark-technical-specifications (http://www.motorbikespecifications.com/2005-ducati-monster-620-dark-technical-specifications)

I can read, no expansion, since new, filled just above the white thing inside the tank, 2.5gl and yes about 80kms not miles to the gallon ... max range is 180kms ...

does Panama use imperial or US gallons?

US ...

i bet something is off with your fuel pump. 

telling you, let it run dry and it took 2.6gl ... when I repainted the tank, and refilled it, it took 2.6gl ... my buddies S4/R they have metal tank and fill up from bone dry 4.4gl

that model has a 3+/- reserve capacity and you must subtract about 0.5L for the pump assembly.

14L - 3.5L = 11.5L = ~3 gal ...  not sure what could be going on there.  but not really relevant to the thread.

the aluminum tanks will likely hold more fuel, no idea how much.

I was just making a comment and sort of 'threadjacked' ...

btw, installed the rotors ... they good, for now ..

Partly my fault on the threadjack, sorry.

Looking forward to the progress on the aluminum tanks ducatiz. And, again, keep me in mind for help with the development if need be. Anything to help get this off the ground!  [thumbsup]

imagine I was willing to purchase a used tank on ebay and send it to a guy in India to have him make it in metal ...

by his FB page he makes good work

I have about 8k miles on mine, zero issues.

8miles before battery died ...

I've got an S2R tank on my S4Rs.  With the proper motivation it can be done.

PM sent

I knew it!

And I'm in iz.

PM also sent - would love to see and hear how

I think that is a ton of money to be paying for something that we already paid a premium for the bike to begin with - it's not like they are being customized for looks or performance - that's $2K out of your pocket you will not get back down the road for something to look like stock - I just can't see it for something that should have worked or been fixed the first time.
Just my opinion

Perfect world = Alu monster style tank with a modified base to increase capacity with the use of the DP air box mod.

Very interested in the progress of this

Or pods

if you are in the US, you should ask somebody in Europe what kind of premium they paid... i went with the 1500 option in the poll, btw. very interested how this whole venture will turn out.

+1

I talked about it some here (this is also a plastic tank) - and a pic
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35519.msg703084#msg703084 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=35519.msg703084#msg703084)

It is not a mod for everyone but "if" a metal f.i. tank is made that is formed for the 2 valve bikes, it might be an option.  There are two big problems, the round fuel pump/flange wants to hit the stock battery when raising and lowering the tank and another part of the s2r tank will hit the ecu in its stock location.  This odd bump in the bottom of the S2r tank causes most of the problems.  By going to a smaller 8 cell LiFePo4 battery I gained the room for the round fuel pump to clear.  Then by sectioning/narrowing the stock battery bracket I was able to move the ecu in about 1/2 - 3/4 inch so the tank would miss it too.

edit: if a tank for the S4Rs is made I would highly recommend using that one lol.

I'm in  [thumbsup]

sold a 695 with plastic tank that was scheduled for a replacement. Will be looking for a 796 in the near future. What is the possibility of adding the 2009 and on monsters as potential aluminum tank customers? I would love the traditional monster tank look (no air box vents) and expanded capacity by replacing the internal tank. Is this possible for this model? Also could offer another version with even more capacity for those modifying or elimination the air box (by installing pod filters with velocity stacks). What do you think?

Oh yes.  For my S4Rs I would buy one in a heartbeat.  Ideally, it would have slightly more fuel capacity and Elizabeth Banks would hand deliver it and stay for a drink.

I'd buy one for my S2R1K

Fo' Sho' [thumbsup]

i have an epoxy coated tank and i would STILL prefer an aluminum tank. on this for sure.
i hit the $1500 up, considering the price of one from japan, and the cost associated with retrofitting an older metal tank... and even the ~$500 cost of a better (ca-cycleworks) PLASTIC tank.

Iz,

I was actually talking about the specific company Panel Beater.
I took a look at their site and did a bit of reasearch into the tanks they make.
They seems really high quality, just that there are some logistic issues with them being in Japan.

There's also a shop in Staratford CT  that's highly regarded in the automotive restoration community that does aluminum work.
The place is called the Panel Shop, you can contact tehm at 203-377-6208.
I have no connection with tme personally but being in teh car biz, and working with restoration shops, their name came up.

I hope you will keep us all informed as this goes forward.

jimi

That's Beater Moto Works that I mention in the first post. 


Unfortunately, the cost for a domestic build is simply too high.  I've shopped the design to a few places and none of them would touch it for less than 1500-2000, and that is their wholesale cost to me.

I know the idea is to build a stock looking replacement tank, but another option is to have them (or some of them) built like the desireable RoadRacing aluminum tanks.  The rise at the bottom of the tank exposed the entire vertical head, which looked really trick.

That sides of the tank which were removed on the RoadRacing tanks does hold gas.  However, the fuel pump is not able to reach those side spurs, so by getting rid of that part of the tank a little weight will be saved since we wouldn't be carrying around extra fuel that can not be used.  

Here are a couple of pics.  Ducatiz, what do you think?

(http://i41.tinypic.com/t8ayc1.jpg)
(http://kuixihe.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=381&g2_serialNumber=1)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/Misc/MonsterSpecialRR2.jpg?t=1328285403)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/Misc/M1000_SilMotoPipes3.jpg?t=1328285403)

<<<<<

oh yesss  [drool] another couple of hundred dollars just for that (stock cap though)

Get me one of those tanks and I'll copy it  [thumbsup]

I figured we would simply mark up the stock one with a sharpie before it ships out to the fabricator.  ;)

Not as easy as that, it's far more tricky.  Esp with the stock fuel pump setup.

I know I'm not contributing here but this made me laugh so hard lol

If anyone is curious..

A 1 inch cube of 4130 steel alloy weighs 0.282 lbs.

A 1 inch cube of 5052 Aluminum alloy weighs 0.097 lbs


Assuming the same wall thickness, the tank would weight a LOT less, however, I am sure they have to make it thicker by at least 50-75% for durability.  Even if they doubles the thickness (and therefore the weight) it would still come in at only 2/3rd the weight of the steel.

This is sounding better and better the further along it gets!   [Dolph]

What kind of time frame are you looking at to get prototypes done?

This makes keeping the s4r that much EASIER :D   [thumbsup]

Thanks to BIll in OKC, I have an S4RS tank to work with.

I'll be fitting it to an S4 and S4r to check clearances, unless anyone has something to add -- have you put an S4RS tank onto one of those?

If all fits, I'll have a tank that fits all the 4v monsters.

This will make a lot of people happy if it works!  [thumbsup]

ducatiz,

but, will the 2V pump/mounting flange be "re-usable" or will the desing go the 4V way?

the 2v design will use the S2R style flange.   For S2r bikes, you'll just reuse the same pump setup.

For other bikes, there will be a flange offered which either mounts the internal fuel pump (for FI models) or spigots for the external (carbed) models.

i'm checking clearance tomorrow for a carbed bike with the S2R tank.

so it is different that as for the M620?

M620 is a efi bike.  you'll be able to re-use your pump, but you'll put it in from the bottom instead of the top.

yes, that's how it is installed from the bottom ... on a wide plate ... with lotsa screws

I'd be very curious to know the potential difference in capacity.  It's tough to throw $1000 into a $3-4000 bike for something that may be only cosmetic. Granted, aesthetics are huge, but something as significant as added capacity would be a major selling point. For me anyway...

I think using the 2001-2003 EFI models' metal tank capacity is a good estimate.

Gday Tiz
This is a good thing. If I need a replacement tank I would prefer a more durable alloy tank to a light but fragile carbon tank. Alloy is a nice trade off between light weight and durability. I have heard of nos genuine carbed model tanks going for $500 but you still have potential rust and hinge leak problems. A mate got two charcoal colored ones for 94-95 models. They were brand new, but supply of that stuff has got to dry up sooner or later.

Something like what Tiz is organizing is the future.

I for one would be very interested in an alloy tank of larger capacity and realize this would involve mods to the air box on my s4 but I would be prepared to do it for that reason

What I wanna know is who in the hell voted for "no thanks"?!

I did.

You have an issue with that?

Far worse: 22 boobies count for 1%  ???

IM doing that so i can keep a real count

Smooth dude...smooth. [roll]

Your question was asked in a tone that suggested a person would be foolish not to want one.

I have a steel tank.

I'd be foolish to spend any money on an aluminum one.

And if I had a plastic tank, I wouldn't jump into line to buy an untried aluminum tank from an unknown vendor...but that's me.

I'd take a new one from Ducati and coat it...for $50 bucks...

but that's just me.

Small update..

I checked the fit of my S2R tank with JoeP's M600 and clearance was ideal.  All of the mid-model carbed monsters have the same airbox and battery setup. 

Plan is to offer a tank with a setup to allow you to move the pump and filter up into the tank instead of having them sit there under the tank. 

I've been reading more and more about the coatings and the potential problems with them. Not sur ethat metal isn't the way to go.

But the new gen bikes witht eh hidden wierd shaped tanks are going to be harder and harder to change.

There are potential problems with every material.

From experience with coatings I wouldn't hesitate using one.

That said, I'm not sure that a metal tank isn't the best way to go either.

I wish all you guys luck. I'm glad I'm not affected by this.

correct me if I'm wrong, but an alum tank will still have to be coated, right?

I think that's the consensus. Still there is no expansion on an aluminum tank and if the price point ends up somewhere around 1k you can get 2 coated aluminum tanks shipped for the cost of one uncoated unshipped tank from Ducati.

So Ducatiz, how's this looking?  What would you say the chances are of this venture coming to fruition?  I just got my '06 S2R and love it, but find myself concerned with the expanding tank.  It's not so bad that they will give me a new one I'm sure, but it probably will be (at this rate) when I am no longer eligible.  Between that and the proposed E15 and the effects on small air cooled engines has me a little stressed out.  I have to say thanks for even attempting to find a reasonable solution for us.

Tank is going to the mould in the next week or so.  I'd say the 2v tank will be close to 100% and the 4v tank 75%, depending on the fitment issues. 

I'm having trouble finding someone with an S4 and an S4R to try the S4rs tank on.

Didn't Venom... offer his S4R?

yup, but he's away doing fleet training.  scheduling.  hoping to get it out before the end of the month when he's back.

I have an S4 in Lancaster PA if you need to use it. You're more than welcome to.

thanks, do you deliver?  :-)

i just need to fit the tank to check clearance. 

Will you replace the flaking rockers, set the valve specs, belts, replace fuel lines/filter, reassemble and set it back untainted?

If so, you've got a deal  [coffee]

yes, but no guarantee with what i'll replace that stuff with..  [evil]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34105.msg1024584#msg1024584 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34105.msg1024584#msg1024584)

It looks like 'Roadracing'i-fied steel tank  8)

steel?

It has that weld seam part of the way, but not where the larger opening is on the Roadracing tank.

Didn't catch the 'i-fied' part. ;)

Good news the S4RS tank fits on an S4r with minor mods.

thanks to venomous for his bike

anyone know if the S4 has the same tank as the R?

from parts catalog images they don't look the same ...

looks aren't important in a Ducati catalog :-)

they are both later style steel efi tanks...  there is a chance they're the same...

want the links?

http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rs_usa_06_ed_00?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rs_usa_06_ed_00?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)   page 61

http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/s4_usa-02?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/s4_usa-02?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)  pages 45/46

 [popcorn]

That's the S4RS tank.  Totally different.  It's plastic for one.  S4R (no S) had a metal tank.

Here is the S4R tank http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_04_ed00?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_04_ed00?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)

and it looks identical to the S4.  Anyone?

I am going to say that it is very likely identical save for the decals.  Fuel pump and all the guts have the same part #s

EDIT::::  http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rtestastretta_usa_07_ed01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rtestastretta_usa_07_ed01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)

Looks like the 07 models have the same tank as the S4Rs.  So the early S4R bikes have metal and later have plastic. 

No issue, since I am making an S4RS tank and it fits the S4.  We are good.

I am confused on the S4, S4R & S4Rs descriptions in the posts above.
My understanding is that the 996 based monsters were all "S4".
When the 999 Testastretta monsters were introduced they were S4R or S4Rs if equipped with Ohlins. Both the S4R and S4Rs models came with plastic tanks.
I follow this thread with interest but I can't figure out if there will be a tank to fit my 2007 S4Rs.
Any help in clearing up my confusion would be appreciated.

Never mind - the edit above posted while I was pecking away at my post above......

The "problem" is that the early S4R bikes had a metal tank -- same configuration as the S4 models.

The later S4R had a plastic tank, same as the S4RS.

S4 had the 916.

Correct...people also refer the non-Ohlin versions as S4RT to differentiate from the earlier 916 S4R's.

Just to be clear..

2004-2006 S4R models had a metal tank (916 models)
2007-eom had Plastic (testastretta models)
all S4RS models had plastic

2005 p53 : http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_05_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_05_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)
2006 p53 : http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_06_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4r_usa_06_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)
2007 p60 : http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rtestastretta_usa_07_ed01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms4rtestastretta_usa_07_ed01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)

The '04-06 bikes were 996

The earlier versions were 916...

no?

but these tanks are totally different on the bottom to mine . . .
Here is an S2R from 2005, p91, that's just like mine . . . Is the shape you're looking for? or the S4R* shape?

http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms2r_usa_05_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed (http://issuu.com/ducatiomaha/docs/ms2r_usa_05_ed_01?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed)

S4=916
2003 S4R = 916
2004 S4R = 996

my comment was a typo, I should have said

I don't know.  Models may be different outside the US.

Is your fuel flange round or oval?

Round . . . just like the links I posted .. my bike is Euro spec ...

No.

2001 S4 = 916  - Metal tank
2002 S4 = 916  - Metal tank

2003 S4R = 996  - Metal tank
2004 S4R = 996  - Metal tank
2005 S4R = 996  - Metal tank
2006 S4R = 996  - Metal tank

2006 S4Rs = 998  - Plastic tank
All S4Rs and S4Rt after that = 998  - Plastic tank

I'm really just interested in the tanks here, but I'm going by what Ducati says on their website.  I don't have one.
http://ducati.com/bikes/monster/s4r/2003/tech_spec.do (http://ducati.com/bikes/monster/s4r/2003/tech_spec.do)

2003 S4R = 916cc, 94x66

2004 S4R  = 996cc, 98x66

and here is a screen capture from the Owner's Manual I have on my hard drive:

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/DMF/5ec0b35a.jpg)

Yah, but download it now, and it'll say 996.

Shouldn't really matter, as the under-tank configuration is the same as the 916/S4, and the head castings are same externally.

it's so annoying that they still do that in the manuals!

Fun times sorting this all out. Thanks for everybody's input on the model designation. Using the nomenclature S4, S4R and S4Rt (or S4Rs) for the various iterations seems to be the clearest for my simple mind.

And it looks like I'll be in luck should this work out.

My biggest confusion was that the original S4R had a metal tank and they switched to plastic.  The metal S4R tank is identical to the S4's and the plastic S4R tank is identical to the S4Rs, so you'd think they all work, but....

Tiz-- have you been able to come up with a tentative production date and ballpark $ ?

At this point, I am waiting on the prototype.

I plan three four versions of the tank:

A.  Straight replacement for the plastic-tanked two-valve models.  Just put your tank parts on the replacement (pads, latch, filler, and pump assembly) and go.

B.  Modified replacement for the metal tanked EFI  two-valve models.  Updated design for the fuel pump MOUNT.  Fuel pump will be mounted from the BOTTOM in the same fashion as the plastic tanks.  You will get a bottom flange cover that has a clip and wiring plug hole for your current setup.  Minor work required to move everything over.

C.  Modified replacement for the metal tanks CARBED two-valve models.  Same as B above except you will need to source a low-volume pump from a carbed SS, a wiring plug, a filter and some hose.  You'll need to splice the wiring into a switched power source on the bike.  Directions will show how to do all of this.  The flange cover will be similar to B above.  Alternatively, you can just leave your current pump and filter in place and use a pickup mesh in the tank.

D.  Drop-in replacement to fit S4RS models with flange cover and instructions for use with metal tank models S4/S4R.

Do you plan a straight bolt on replacement for the S4Rs?

Yes.

I have an S4RS tank and have found it will fit both S4R and S4 models with little modification.  So there will be one 4v tank coming.

Awesome™ =D

+1000.  And a matching aluminum seat cowl too please  [thumbsup]    Gonna clear the thing and use it raw!

congrats on the progress.   [thumbsup]

Great news and progres... mine will be model A ....;D

Finally a metal tank will be available for the S4RS!  Thanks.

Ready for tank 3 on the S2R1K, but thinking about waiting for one of these...any update on when these might be available? It sure would be nice to have a tank that isn't gonna swell.

Road Racing tanks can be had Here (http://www.ducati-development-dortmund.de/)

On the monster parts page about 1/3rd of the way down

€1600. 

Is that site current?  I'm pretty sure that particular page hasn't been updated for 15 years.  I used to lust after those parts 10 years ago and had that page as one of my favorites.  I'm pretty sure the Road and Racing company went out of business sometime back in the 20th century.

just called him, he said he keeps the site up for enthusiasts, but no, has no stock.

Enthusiasts?  You mean like the "Fans of Websites of Defunct Businesses Community"?

nice stuff on that site ... shame ...

The Germans are sticklers for details about stuff they own. SO when someone finds a part they research it he said. We had a good talk. I explained why people are looking for the AL tanks, and he said he's going t o talk to some people here in Germany who may have other options for coatings or tank bladders.

oh i should have said the RR parts are for details. he still is in business and has other parts.

2007 S2R800. I'm on my second tank now. Been on for about a year and already showing some dimpling. Al tank is a great idea, $1500...seems pricey for a tank, but I'm a cheapskate. Obviously this tank will need replacing eventually.

$1500 is a great price for an aluminum tank. Try to find one cheaper. Go on, I dare you.   ;)

New pricing system - we pay according to our poll vote.

How do I change my poll vote????? ;D

I really have no idea if it's a good price or not. I've never researched it. Just going on my initial sticker shock, that's a lot of mula.

$1500 for an aluminum tank is a very fair price. Beater (Japanese company) gets more than $2k for their sportbike stuff and it is a bargain. Race Kit tanks are $2500 and up.

FWIW, I dont have a Monster that needs a tank. 

I think I like this idea better.

That is until you aren't getting a free one from Ducati anymore. What's the retail on a plastic tank? $1,855.60

Sheesh, some people don't know the history of cool mods.  It's not just solving the problem of your melting plastic POS tank.  A handmade aluminum tank is in the upper echelon of cool mods.

Considering I was planning on a Beater tank, the tanks discussed here, at the price point discussed, will be a bargain in my book. To me a well crafted aluminum tank has several merits, not just as a stock replacement , but offers aesthetics of a straight, ripple free piece of bodywork, the cool factor of an aluminum tank (makes me recall my lust for the old school ZX-7R homologation special with the aluminum tank, flatslides, solo seat and close ratio trans) and further feeds my need to tinker. Since I first learned of Beater tanks I have been planning an aluminum tank painted in the stock black with silver stripe scheme but the stripe will be brushed aluminum clearcoated with the old double line style DUCATI lettering receiving the same brushed and clearcoated treatment.  If I can achieve the same result for $1000 less, I'm in!

Ripple free, I get it. Lol. I'm with you on the coolness factor, I guess I just hadn't considered the cost. To each his own. More power to you Iz. I wish you luck. Looks like there is definitely a market for said tank.

So when will I be able to buy one of these? ???

I'm sending a frame to them to use as a jig, but I haven't received it yet.  That's the holdup.

It's been shipped along with the supporting bits to turn it into a true 'jig'.  ;D

Do you think I will be able to purchase a tank for an S4RS by Fall 2012?

There are some relatively cheap  alu tanks coming out of India and I heard of a guy getting one for a Norton that looked very nice but he went to drill a hole in it and it cracked (brittle).

For what reason would someone drill a hole in a fuel tank...?

Maybe new mounting holes in the ears? Maybe for a larger petcock orifice? I'm not sure.

pics or it didn't happen.

even stressed metal wont crack from being drilled.  use the worst drill with a dull bit and you only succeed in tempering the metal around the bit. 

more likely if it cracked it was drilled at a location subject to torque. 

aluminium is more brittle than steel allow but you still have a good margin before failure.

That isn't 'in the tank'...

that's a bracket.

...and a petcock boss wouldn't crack.

I'm not biting...

unless of course you have a link that will change my mind..

Boy,tough crowd.Sorry,I don't even know how to post a link but it's on the Access Norton forum under thread titled  "Ever see one of these?" and I was mistaken,supposedly it was in a steel tank for a Triumph that a restorer was fitting a rack on.

You don't know how to post a link?

Does your browser have an address bar?

I'd copy the address and paste it here.

      Sarcasm doesn't come through the web well but condescension sure does.

Not condescension...

I'm old...ask anyone here.

I'm simply amazed/in disbelief that someone can register for a forum and doesn't know how to post a url supporting what they claim.

I've seen plastic crack with drilled, but not metal.

I would post a link, but I don't have one.

Oh, wait!

Here's one...














































(http://homemade-sausage.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sausage-6644.jpg)

I kid.  I'm a kidder.

Is this the thread to which you refer?

http://www.accessnorton.com/anybody-seen-these-person-t12845.html (http://www.accessnorton.com/anybody-seen-these-person-t12845.html)

Yes,thank you Zarn,read the 4th entry down.I realize you can't believe everything you read on the internet but I do know from experience that you need a "buyers beware" philosophy when doing buisness on the internet.
Ducpainter,I apologize that I can't post a link.I am an old school,semi computer illiterate.I don't even own a cell phone! I just fumble around on my Mac untill I get results. :-[
 We couldn't get hi-speed,only dial up,untill last August!

The buyer beware part is universal I think.

My only point was if you're going to make claims about products failing you should be able to document what you're saying. Otherwise it comes across as internet noise. It really is simple, and I'd be happy to explain how.

I don't have a cell phone either FWIW.

HA!! You two are almost neighbors.

Any chance these will be ready next week? Kidding...sort of. Sure would be nice to have a non-swollen, non-rippled, non-piece-of-shit tank... [bang]




Really, I was just tired of digging so far back into the pages to find this thread.

details being worked on

stay in touch

good to know

Any timeline on anticipated announcements?

Impatient much? 

You mean inpatient.

No, just inquisitive. No skin off your nose.

isn't that a kind of flower?

(http://www.atma-o-jibon.org/images7/impatiens.jpg)

Yep.  Good ol' iphone posting. 

My point was, he had just said that the details were being worked on the day prior.  Not like Izaak is going to sit on his hands when it comes to releasing the info.

The word actually is impatient... unless you're talking about hospital patients. 

Was gonna call 'em on that, but some of us could be considered inpatients from time to time.


Back to topic::: I'm on tank 2, but even the first wasn't horribly distorted. I'd entertain a metal tank (steel or alum, I don't care) if this one starts to go FUBAR on me. I'd just want one that is similar shape to the factory one. I don't care for the shape of the one CA offers (offered?).

Goes to show my command of the English language.   :-X

Back to your scheduled programming.

 [cheeky]

Stay tuned for pics.

 :o  [popcorn] [bacon] [thumbsup] [drool]

Okay.  Staying tuned...

(http://www.eht.com/oldradio/arrl/2008-09/Edison-50yearold-1e2-350.jpg)

Just want to add my support for the project.

This is very exciting.  8)

Tap, tap, tap....knock, bang, thump. My tuner must be off... ;D

When can I put down a deposit on one of these things? Better yet, when can I swing by and pick it up?

i've been away, just stumbled across this - pretty neat. ready for pics.

I'm amazed you didn't know about this ;D jv!
Ducatiz will save us all!

work has been heck recently, i started a belt change over a month ago.  i think i've got the old ones off so far...

 Sorry to hear that mate, wish I could pop over with a six pack and help you out.

  This alloy tank solution  from a member is excellent. While I don't need one at present, this contributes to keeping the future secure with keeping the older bikes on the road and providing a long term solution for the plastic tanks.

BUMP

PIX?  I don't need no stickin' PIX!

I need a TANK!

(Still, would like to see some pix.)

Working out issues with the filler.

Here's a guy that had trouble with his filler on a tank made in India.

http://www.accessnorton.com/post159532.html#p159532 (http://www.accessnorton.com/post159532.html#p159532)

Any update on this?

Nothing final, got the model in and sent it back with corrections.  Coming along nicely.  Weight was much lighter than I expected. 

Awesome!! My tank is swollen up tight again, so I need to have it fixed under the settlement...or better yet, not screw with ducati anymore and get some metal that doesn't swell.

And I hope that I'm at the front of the line for one of these since I'm both a neighbor and a former purchaser of Ducatiz's stuff.

Once I have a final design that I'm happy with, I'll post photos and start taking nominal deposits.  I don't have the pricing yet, the mold cost will determine the price.  That should come soon.

The main thing I'm looking for is a drop-in replacement that you can paint or not.  You just put your S2r type fuel pump flange on and the filler cap and go.

Hoping this rolls soon.... Looks like i'll be replacing my tank for a THIRD time...

I just want to get MORE fuel into the bike . . . my plastic tank only holds an amazing 2.5gls of fuel

watching this and waiting impatiently! need a new tank anyway...

count me in on a tank- aluminum  [drool]

 [popcorn]....



waiting patiently [thumbsup]

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Would this tank fit a S4RS :-\

It says so on page 10  [thumbsup]

I would also humbly suggest trying to add a bit of additional fuel capicity to the tank.
I know I modded my 620 with the 14th sprocket and I'm getting 35-40 mpg. It sucks running to the gas station every 90-100 miles and it's starting to piss off my riding buddies too...

jimi

get a tune up and a powercommander. you can run it a bit more lean to get more MPG

in fact 35-40 for a 620 is really low IMO.

I only have the performance airbox8/filter and hi mounted Termins and that's what I get . ..  CO%3. . . .


let's not threadjack !!!

The subject line asks, "Would you buy an aluminum tank...?"

Would I?  Yes, I would, if I could.

Just sayin'.

 ;D

Yes if it looked like my early steel tank (shape).

What he said... [laugh]

I'm about to jump on an old steel tank, so yes I would take one.

Off topic, but...


Where the make the beast with two backs have you been?



Ok, back on topic.

Secret, undisclosed location with no forums.....

Only back to sell some shit and post whore to get over 1000 posts somewhere so I can cross it off my bucket list.

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C'mon, no laughs? Sheesh.
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Been a couple of weeks since this was bumped...

Request for tank #3 has been submitted to DNA...sadly this will be the last. Sure would be nice to have a metal tank...just saying.

The dealer just took pics and submitted the paper work last week. This will be my 2nd replacement tank if it gets approved. 

In my new business I deal with a couple privateer motorcycle shops.  In telling my plastic tank woes to an owner.... He told me he knows a guy in NJ who makes CF tanks for race/dirt bikes. Not sure if he can replicate my tank though.

Another customer does CF items for race cars and says  he can fabricate anything. His work is awesome but he would need two perfect tanks to make a prototype. Where my tank is already swollen.... I can't give him mine. 

The probability of these guys making one for me is slim. 

So yes. I would want an AL tank.

 [popcorn]

I'm still interested in an aluminum tank for the Carbed M900 (or for the newer fuelie bikes so long as a flange with simple fuel line nipple could be installed on it; I have no problem with changing my seat to make the two "mesh" properly as far as aesthetics go). 

I'd put a deposit down on two (with certainty if the side had the slightly higher arch/cut-out a la the RoadRacing tanks of yore) such alu Carb M900 tanks, final net price of course dictating whether this is affordable for two (one is a sure thing for me).    If you could do a third in the general shape of the 888 tank for a carb'd M900, I'd gobble that up as well (Otherwise I'm going to be eventually calling up the good folks at ETI for a custom Fuel Cel). 


If you end up doing a similar tank mold for either the SportClassic Sport Bip or GT1000, I'd take one of those as well.  I'm not picky which of the two very similar shapes it is, so long as it will function on my GT1000, and is paintable to match my 2-tone Guinness factory paint scheme.  :D

Sport Classic action  8)

http://motowheels.com/i-10302481-deposit-only-ducati-sport-1000-aluminum-tank.html (http://motowheels.com/i-10302481-deposit-only-ducati-sport-1000-aluminum-tank.html)

That tank doesn't look right. It looks way to large. Did they add fuel capacity? 

Dunno.  It does look a little biggish.  Maybe the ethanol expanded the aluminum too (!)  Ha.

But at $250, I'd like to know more about the quality and detail.

BTW, iz, I too would be interested in a tank as my S2R tank has deformed (yet again).

looks like $250 is just a deposit.

+1

Group Buy is $1950 before 12/31/12.
After that the price climbs to $2395!   :o

(http://motowheels.com/images/F55760197.jpg)
apparently being metal instead of plastic has created some differences in the shape they say.
"* Tanks will replicate the orginal look and fitment as close as possible given the limitations of the different material"

it's the same basic dimensions.  you don't realize how big that tank is, they are crazy wide.

Here is the one for the SF, about 5 orders away from getting the dies made:

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/138-streetfighter/150071-aluminum-streetfighter-tank-group-buy.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/138-streetfighter/150071-aluminum-streetfighter-tank-group-buy.html)

I'm tempted but I'd rather just save that money up for a pani.

That's interesting, but I would need to see the quality of the tank, regardless of origin (India or Italy) before laying out that money.

I was thinking of splitting the standard tank, beating out the dents, and changing the tank floor to hold another 4-5 litres, by dropping the floor of the tank where the airbox lid is.

I thought that would be a pretty decent increase in capacity, without altering cosmetics...

We had flanges made for the tank we make, so those could / should work for this tank. It has the raised 30mm boss for the original fuel sender and two 1/4" NPT fittings. For carb'd bikes, I plug one of them. I've got 40 or 50 in stock and would be happy to sell them for this project's purpose.

- Chris

yahtzee

Anything new happening?

I'm sure the holidays have slowed things a bit, just checking in.  [Dolph]

Guess I gotta bump this.
Anyone heard of a metal tank in production? 
I know of Japan that is actually producing something for our monsters.
Haven't heard if Chris at CC has plans for S2R's.
Any updates from Izzy?
Thanks a lot guys.

argh.  sorry it's taking so long.  just issue after issue with the fit.  working out one thing at a ttime.

Yes, our MTT43 tank got a new mold top, so it will be smooth. We were supposed to be shipping tanks right now, but the molding plant sat on their thumbs for a month. They woke up when I asked which day I should come pick up the mold and take it somewhere else... We talk about it in this thread: Cycleworks Monster Track Tank Update (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=54588.0). We are having them treated (fluorinated) so the tanks are supposed to be paintable. Right now, it's an experimental process and they're working to make it more thorough.

The MTT43 tank is a direct replacement for the nylon Monster tanks using round fuel flange. We have parts for adapting these to work on Monsters with metal tanks, too.

Thanks,
Chris

Keep up the good work!

-Jeff

Very exciting!

-Jeff

Anyone hear of ETI making a Kevlar tank for the Injected monster yet?
They seem to offer tanks for everything else.
eti-fuelcell.com

He made a few...I don't think he's offering them any longer. They did not accept the flange mounted pump assy. It loaded through the top like the previous gen tanks so all those parts would need to be acquired.

PM kopfjager. He had one.

I've been off topic for quite some time. Just getting my bike ready for spring and noticing the tank is getting close to the key housing. Can I expect to be able to purchase aluminum tank soon like within the next year?

Yes.  Some delays but the final setup is coming.  Its going to be a drop in functional replacement.

The sun will be shining  [Dolph]

bumpdiggety check in for those curious....

In for more info, will definitely need a new tank for my S2R down the line.

Stay tuned.  There should be some photos within a couple of weeks.

The fuel flange and filler have been mostly sorted.

Again, the plan is a drop in tank that will use the factory style filler AND fuel flange (round type).

That's what's gummed things up. 

Price target is still well below $2k, preferably around 1500.

Great news! [thumbsup]

Just got my tank replaced and coated.  But it's good to know there is an option just in case, knock on wood, that this one blows up on me some time down the line.

I would be very interested in one for my S4rs at $1500.

For the bikes that have an oval fuel flange, you'd need to pick up a round flange.  I believe the connections are the same and the pump, etc are the same too so you may only need the flange and you can move the pump, etc over.

Bummer...I had just replace my fuel sending unit because it was leaking.  It was a lot of clams.

 If someone does not make an alloy tank for my monster I am trading it in on a Bimota!!!

1100S? Why would YOU need an alloy tank??? [roll]

 Because i want more capacity and I want a "breadloaf" style tank. I like the tanks on the ST models.

Then buy an MTS. No one is going to make one of those for you...

People like Evan Wilcox will if he puts enough money on the table.

I'd be down considering I just got my last plastic replacement.....

Any news?

I would consider a metal tank for a 2013 M1100 but only if it held another gallon of fuel.

Already been made:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47693.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=47693.0)

Expensive and I'm not sure if that was a one off or not... but if they made it once they should be able to make it again.  About 1.5 gallons more gas.

Good luck trying to get one though...

Yeah I read the thread,  Not a great shot of getting one.  Sad as I would spend the money on the tank before wheels....
I prefer 300 to 400 miles days when I ride and having the extra range would be fantastic.  Especially as I just realized that two 1 liter fuel bottles is only good for ten to 15 miles.

Extra mileage would be a bonus but I hope to keep mine for ever and add to it and not confident the plastic will outlast me....even without ethanol based fuels. Yes I would place an alloy tank above wheels as well but if I can't source one.....

~3 years after my replacement tank w/ Caswell coating it has started to swell again.
Any update on the aluminum tank?

Unfortunately, not.  The guy that I had tasked to make tanks basically quit and the other folks doing it at MotoWheels are asking close to $3000 for their tank.

ouch !!!

There was a thread I read recently that had another small company making tanks.  I think they were just over $2k but I'll see if I can find the thread.  It was on another forum though.  Not sure if I'm violating any rules or not: http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/375234-aluminum-tank-s2r-s4r.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/375234-aluminum-tank-s2r-s4r.html)

I'm guessing my S4rs donor tank is history?

Nope.  Pm.

Sorry if this has been asked before but...

What if every winter (dec thru apr) I take the tank off my s4rs, completely drain it and leave it to air out over those months. If the tank does shrink back down to size, could anyone speculate what would happen to the tank over years of shrinking and expanding? Paint damage? Tank integrity? Fit and overall function?
Or is it just all guessing at this point?

Yes, these looked good. It was/is a US company, too, Legendary Motorcycles (http://www.legendary-motorcycles.com/). Hope the project is still going.

And on page 2 of the same thread, motowheels chimes in to point out that they are still taking orders.

The irony is that after all the talk about how good a metal tank would be, motowheels says they have had only two firm orders for their tank built in Italy. It is still available. The above thread on ducati.ms for the US built tank wasn't exactly rushed, either.

So now that tanks are available, no-one wants one. To me the prices seem fair enough, given what is involved and the small production numbers. But yes, they are expensive compared with the market value of the bike they would go on.

I think part of the problem is that Ducati changed the fuel pump flange shape for the Testastretta S4R/s, which are the higher-value bikes. That splits the potential market. Tanks are being built for the more popular two-valvers, but I suspect the Testa market, although smaller, is where more of the cash is located.

Yes I know, motowheels says a Testa owner could replace the fuel pump with a 2V pump and the tank would likely fit. But that is another step and yet more expense.

Seems a shame people have gone to the trouble of making tanks but can't sell them, though.

The tanks have taken way too long to get to the market. Half of the potential customers have moved on and the other half have sealed their plastic tanks. At one time I was a customer, but I sold my Monster and bought and sold several motorcycles since I would have invested in a tank.

This is the problem. Lots of talk but no reasonable place to order a tank. I also sold my swelling tank S4R.