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Title: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 12, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
LA to NY

I have a crew of 4-7 guys, 4-5 bikes and one car going from Diamond Bar in SoCal to Upstate NY in mid June. I haven't looked extensively yet or started a list of the stops mentioned in other threads here yet. But I'm posting this to get the ball rollin'.

Any stops that are good?
Any roads that are good?
Gear?
Time-frame advice?
Maintenance suggestions?
Bike mod suggestions?
Riding technique suggestions?

My M900 will be ready to go mechanically by then and I plan on a routine of stopping every 1.5-2 hours to let her cool down.
I'm fabricating a stainless steel pannier rack which will carry two Pelican 1550 cases as panniers.  [Dolph]
 
I was also looking at the Kriega US-20 Drypack and the US tank bra as my tank bag setup/backpack/tail pack but the price is putting me off on the idea. That can be easily replaced with a 20L standard dry back and some tubular webbing for less than $100 total. Suggestions?

I will post anything I come up with on here.
The max time-frame is 14 days. Possible?
Denver is a necessary stop and so is Columbus Indiana.

Thanks for any replies.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: herm on February 13, 2012, 04:59:15 AM
i assume 14 days is your one way time frame?

there really isn't an interesting way to get from Denver to Columbus. spend extra time before Denver, and then slab it out to columbus.

i've heard there are some great rides in the upstate NY area, but no first hand experience.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: KnightofNi on February 13, 2012, 08:06:58 AM
14 days to get to NY would be more than enough.

upstate does have some good riding. esp around the finger lakes region.
I loved the canyons around denver.

if you are planning a stop in IN then I can only say look into the northern part of west virginia unless you want to come WAY back south out of the way.
Central PA has a few decent secondary roads. through the mountains.
It gets "pretty" and "scenic" when you get close to the eastern part of PA towards the south (lancaster county)
Northeastern PA has good roads and that will take you right up into NY. I think we took 6 out to DIMBY


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: lethe on February 13, 2012, 08:55:43 AM
Taking 6 across the top of PA wouldn't add a whole lot of time as it's fairly traffic light free and is a whole lot more scenic than any highway alternative.
Where's the upstate NY destination? If it's above PA, just hang a left and head north wherever convenient. If it's more like Albany, keep on 6 until 191 then head north and take Rt 30 out of Hancock, NY for as much as you can. Look it up on a map, you won't be disappointed by what you see.  [thumbsup]
Hell, even if you're not going as far east as Albany, do Rt 30 anyway and then back track.  ;D


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DoWorkSon on February 13, 2012, 11:43:52 AM
Have you done distance rides before?

Ive done a few 1000+ miles trips, and that was on my BMW....

-Wear comfy riding gear. Nothing worse than being too cold/too hot. The heat will drain you, and cold will torture you.. Invest in some comfy ear plugs, or some earbuds to drown out engine/wind noise. If you are going in june, its gonna be HOT. Get a nice hot weather jacket, and maybe some under armour briefs because swamp ass will kill you.... Also look at wearing a camel back for hydration

-If time is not an issue, take frequent breaks to stretch your legs, eat/drink, and go see the sights.... This will break up the monotony and make the trip enjoyable instead of a burden.. Looks like your will be riding approx. 200-300 miles a day if you use the full 14 days.... This is good as it will allow you to ride more on some days and relax and take in the sites on others...

-It might not seem like a lot, but even 400 miles in one day on the road is exhausting.... It usually takes a bit longer than a car because of frequent fill ups and breaks, but also feels a lot longer because of the concentration and physical/mental drain riding can have..

-Think about a throttle tamer or something similar for long stretches of freeway riding

-I found that if I stack my luggage or whatever Im bringing on the back of my seat, close to where I am sitting, I could almost lean back to give my lower back a break and take some stress off of it.... Not sure if this will work on a ducati where you will be leaning more forward

-Try to have a more upright comfy riding position.. and a wind screen... Comfort comfort comfort on long rides

-Maybe invest in an intercom system with your friends.... You definitely get lost in your own thoughts riding on longer trips and having someone to talk to would really make the time go by faster and make the ride more enjoyable

-Get a good nights sleep every night... Nothing worse than an 8 hours day of riding when your exhausted.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Rowdy on February 13, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Have you done distance rides before?

Ive done a few 1000+ miles trips, and that was on my BMW....

-Wear comfy riding gear. Nothing worse than being too cold/too hot. The heat will drain you, and cold will torture you.. Invest in some comfy ear plugs, or some earbuds to drown out engine/wind noise. If you are going in june, its gonna be HOT. Get a nice hot weather jacket, and maybe some under armour briefs because swamp ass will kill you.... Also look at wearing a camel back for hydration

-If time is not an issue, take frequent breaks to stretch your legs, eat/drink, and go see the sights.... This will break up the monotony and make the trip enjoyable instead of a burden.. Looks like your will be riding approx. 200-300 miles a day if you use the full 14 days.... This is good as it will allow you to ride more on some days and relax and take in the sites on others...

-It might not seem like a lot, but even 400 miles in one day on the road is exhausting.... It usually takes a bit longer than a car because of frequent fill ups and breaks, but also feels a lot longer because of the concentration and physical/mental drain riding can have..

-Think about a throttle tamer or something similar for long stretches of freeway riding

-I found that if I stack my luggage or whatever Im bringing on the back of my seat, close to where I am sitting, I could almost lean back to give my lower back a break and take some stress off of it.... Not sure if this will work on a ducati where you will be leaning more forward

-Try to have a more upright comfy riding position.. and a wind screen... Comfort comfort comfort on long rides

-Maybe invest in an intercom system with your friends.... You definitely get lost in your own thoughts riding on longer trips and having someone to talk to would really make the time go by faster and make the ride more enjoyable

-Get a good nights sleep every night... Nothing worse than an 8 hours day of riding when your exhausted.



Great suggestions. I don't like intercoms but that is just a personal thing.

Keep luggage to a minimum. Every trip I go on I take less and less gear.

Keep friends and family updated on your progress and check in daily if you can. You are going with a group so this shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Know basic maintance about your bike and keep it in tip top shape all the time. It pays off when you want to get away for a trip. Might sound silly but when traveling with a few people, make sure everybody knows where your going and what assistance is available along the way, in case you get seperated. You don't just have to follow the leader.

Take lots of photo's with people and bike in them, and have a great time.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: The Bacon Junkie on February 13, 2012, 06:48:46 PM
I did a few two day trips in the past...

I had a tankbag, a mountaineering backpack, and a big old-skool sleeping bag on the tail.

It was actually a lot more comfortable than you would think...

The pack rested on the sleeping bag most of the time, so i didn't have it's full weight on me the whole time.  I could rest my chest and chin on the tankbag, so I was able to keep most of my weight off of my wrists, so my fatigue level was nearly zero in those respects...

Also, DanTheMan here on the board pretty much circumnavigated the entire country on a KTM motard last summer...

I'm sure he could give you some tips if you pm him...




 [bacon]


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 13, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
14 days to get there yes. Here is a ROUGH and general idea of the route as a result of some questioning and research:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e)

The San Juan skyway is a good ride I read about and one of the guys wants to go to Deadwood for the history aspect.
I'm from the Albany area of NY.

I'll be purchasing a throttle tamer for sure.

Here is the bike so far (no long distance mods yet): (http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425739_649600046239_209803713_33001713_2092063438_n.jpg)

I would "PM" DanTheMan, but I'm new to forum-ing and thus not sure what the abbreviated lingo means haha. Thanks though


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 13, 2012, 11:12:28 PM
PM = Personal Message.....got it


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: bevel on February 14, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
Here is a ROUGH and general idea of the route as a result of some questioning and research:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e)


If you can swing it, I would strongly recommend checking out 92 in CO. Take the 550 into Montrose, turn right onto 50, then left onto 92 at Blue Mesa. Then you can grab 133 in Hotchkiss and take it out to Carbondale, and a short stretch on 82 to get back onto 70.

Another option, which would skip 92, is to just take 50 out of Montrose all the way to Poncha Springs, pick up 285 into Buena Vista and follow it to 9 which would bring you through Breckenridge before connecting back to 70.

I'm not a CO native, but after two trips from Denver to Ouray last year, there's certainly better choices than slabbing it on 70. Don't get me wrong, there's some amazing views on 70, but on 50 you can keep about the same pace as you would on the slab, 92 has some amazing views, and there's a damn good burger/shake place in Buena Vista (K's Dairy Delite).


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DoWorkSon on February 14, 2012, 03:56:22 PM
That stretch through South Dakota into Minnesota is going to be hell.... Thats like 700 miles in a straight line...


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 14, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
bevel; The next time I have a few spare moments I'll edit up my route to include your suggestion.

DoWorkSon; I completely agree and as I write this I am going over the schedule with one of the crew and to make this trip in 14 days we are going to have to put in a few LONG days of riding. So that stretch will be one of them.

Thank you everyone for the input.
Keep me posted on anything you think of or remember.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: bevel on February 15, 2012, 09:33:14 AM
No worries, you did get one great section, and that's the Million Dollar Highway between Durango and Ouray.

My only regret is only hitting that stretch once during my last trip out there, and that was at the end of a 400 mi loop. You definitely want to be fresh for that section.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: gadgetguy1288 on February 15, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
While I can't comment on doing a cross country trip on bikes, I have done it in a car, and your time frame is more than adequate for a leisurely pace.

When I got transferred from AK to NC, we took a ferry from Sitka, AK down to Bellingham, WA and made the trip by car from Bellingham, WA to Cape Canaveral FL(Home for a few days of leave) in about 63 hours.

Then again we only stopped for gas and food, and switched out drivers every 6-8hours as we got tired. lol


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: tilt on February 15, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Looks like fun but from siox falls to indy will be one long boring ride, after indy the roads do get a little nicer and you will have blue ridge parkway to look forward to
 


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Dirty Duc on February 16, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
The way you are getting to Denver is almost the boringest way possible.  15 and 70 both are straight and long.

I would go this way: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e&msa=0&ll=38.449287,-107.550659&spn=1.38954,2.90863 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210952294029353491875.0004b8e5098ce7cc1249e&msa=0&ll=38.449287,-107.550659&spn=1.38954,2.90863)


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: pitbull on February 16, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
Your updated route looks much better.


One thing I would mention, if you're not planning on staying in Chicago and just passing through, turn south and go around Chicago instead of through it, unless you want to spend many, many hours sitting. There is not quick way through Chicago or good time of day to do it.

Disregard if you are actually planning to visit the city, which I think is an excellent idea if you are.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: El Matador on February 16, 2012, 04:32:50 PM
Carry the least amount of shit possible. Trust me. I've done cross country a few times with nothing but a camelback and a set of tools under the. Seat.

Get a touring seat. By far the best thing you can do.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=26965.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=26965.0)

Write up starts at page 14.

Have fun!


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: pitbull on February 17, 2012, 01:34:18 PM
to Matador's point: Take everything you think you will need and spread it out on your bed.......and then put two thirds of it back, because you will only use about 1/3 of what you think you need.

If you do forget something you think you need, there's a walmart just about everywhere.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Desmo Demon on February 17, 2012, 05:11:44 PM
Any stops that are good?
Any roads that are good?
Determine the states taht you will be traveling through and do Internet searches of tourist attractions in each state. Try to hit several of them that are on the route or not too far off of the route. Also hitting the Welcome Centers at each state is a way to pick up fliers and check on their maps for confirmation of tourist attractions. Try to remain a little flexible. If you have a car going, you can take a bunch of stuff.

My typical cross-country trip has a daily schedule of something like this:
- Get up and ride 30-60 minutes for breakfast
- Ride about 2-3 hours to some destination for sight-seeing
- grab lunch
- Ride another 2-3 hours
- Grab dinner
- Either stop for the evening or ride another 30-60 minutes after dinner and then call it a day

This schedule is good for about 300-350 miles per day, which is excellent. Some areas that you ride through will not have anything worth stopping to sight-see, so just plan on riding upwards of 800 miles in a day (12-14 hours in the saddle).

Gear?
Wear a jacket at all times. Even if it is 98+ degrees out, the sun will dehydrate you in a hurry. You will also get badly sunburned with short sleeves. If it is really sunny, put sunblock on your face and nose. The sun's rays will get through the visor enough that your face will be burnt and you won't even know it. You will want to drink fluids all the time. Dehydration occurs easily and with the wind constantly blowing, you won't even realize you are sweating. Take rain gear with you. If it doesn't rain, the rain gear is an excellent way to provide wind protection and cold protection if the temps happen to drop lower than you may expect on th route. Do an Internet search on the regions that you will be riding through. You can check on typical average temps, but don't let the monthly a verages fool you. I once rode through Arizona in late April and the temps were 10-20 degrees cooler than average. I froze my butt off and wound up wearing out my rain suit when I used it for wind/cold protection.

Maintenance suggestions?
Fresh oil and filter. Riding a Ducati, I'd recomend a fresh set of timing belts nad a valve check/adjust. If your chain is a 520, put new chain and sprockets on the bike for that kind of trip. If you have a set of 525, if they have more than 10k miles on them, consider replacing them. Other than these things, I wouldn't worry about too much else.

Bike mod suggestions?
None. Let me repeat..."NONE"! Do not, and I mean NOT, do ANY mod that will change your riding position. Do not change your seat. If you want to try to make any modification that will change your riding position or if you want to change your seat, only do it if you can ride the bike for more than 1000 miles prior to leaving for the trip. I don't mean ten 100-mile rides, either. I mean at least two or three 350-400 mile rides to make sure that the new ergos or new seat is something that isn't going to kill you after mile #200 of the day. The last thing you want to do is to make a bunch of changes and then find out 50 miles down the road that you're dieing of pain.


Riding technique suggestions?
Stay loose and relaxed. Do not try to hold yourself up against the wind, don't try to hold your head stiff and steady if a tractor-trailer passes you, and don't fight cross winds. If you find yourself getting tense while riding, STOP IT!!! Being tense while riding will physically fatigue you exceptionally fast. You wouldn't imagien how fast any potential Interstate droning will kill your shoulders and your neck when you are fighting wind and riding tense.

When riding with a group, expect what I call the accordian-effect. This is where the lead person may fluctuate his speed by 5 mph, but as the speed variation drifts through the ranks, you may find the guy in the rear swinging from 45 ph to 80 mph to keep up the pace. Whoever is to lead, try to stay as steady of a pace as possible. If you cannot maintain a steady pace, let someone else lead. Also, rotate the leader. Do not have the same person lead all the time. Leading a group is mentally and physically fatiguing as you are always tryign to set the pace and are always watching the guys behind you to make sure they are staying the pace and that no one has fallen behind (such as from a break-down. If the group's dynamics are too varying, do not be afraid to break the group into two smaller groups with planned meeting points for gas or dinner.


Also, for maintenance items, depending on how mechanically inclined you are, I always pack a bunch of sockets, allen wrenches, screw drivers, pliers, Vise-grips, a multimeter, at least one copy of my wiring schematic, and a list of the Ducati dealerships that will be along yoru route. You may also opt for a new chain and a chain break/rivoting tool. I've also been known to take a soldering iron, solder, and some wiree, too.


The max time-frame is 14 days. Possible?
14 days shouldn't be a problem at all. I rode from South Carolina to California and back in 12 days with 5600 miles covered. I didn't even ride one of those days and I went sight-seeing to places such as the Grand Canyon, the Mesa Verde Cliff Dwellings, went through Mounument Valley, went to Vegas via the Hoover Dam, stood at the Four Corners, visited the Meteor Crater, and rode through the Painted Valley and Petrified Forest. I even went a few miles out of my way to jump into Mexico, simply to say that I'd been there.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: EvilSteve on February 18, 2012, 09:59:04 AM
I did 8800 miles in a month riding from NYC to SF, into OR, Canada around the great lakes and back to NYC in a month.

I was riding an '08 Triumph Sprint ST, my max distance from a tank (on highway) was 236 miles. Unfortunately, with a Duc you're going to get a lot less than that. Carry a spare gas can, even if it's half a gallon in case you or one of your group runs out. If you have point that you're stopping at, map out the optimal time between them (google maps) and make sure it fits in your schedule (although, 14 days should be plenty). I also checked that the distance was < 500 miles each day and the average speed was < 55. Those were energy saving limits because we had other plans on the trip and I didn't want to be totally burnt. My longest milage in a day was 773 miles (should have gone the extra ~300 and got my Iron Butt!) which was all route 80. Without music I was singing the 3 national anthems I know and trying not to go insane. I was definitely burnt at the end of that. We planned the route such that I wouldn't be riding at night, not because I don't enjoy riding at night because I do but more for safety reasons.

We went in May, it was really, really cold in some places (like Crater Lake) and over some of the passes, remember that you're going to pass through wide climate changes (not to mention the weather day to day) so you want some gear that's light and versatile. I got a helmet with bluetooth and used it to talk to my wife, remember, most of the signals we use are pretty limited. I wore my Vanson 1 piece perforated race leathers and had rain gear I used when it was cold or raining. When it was hot, it wasn't too bad.

Are you camping or staying hotels? Wherever you're staying, you can't always just rock up and find somewhere to stay (especially with a group your size). It might be worth booking some of your accom. in advance.

I was very lucky to have my wife and two of her family in the car, most of my gear went in there but I made sure I had enough to get by if we were separated. Because of this, my trip wasn't so much an exercise in minimizing gear and more in stamina. This also meant that, should something shitty happen, I had transport right there but you won't have that luxury. Make sure you have AAA (or whatever) and that you know that you can get motorcycle towing. Make sure your medical insurance is up to date and plan to need it but hope that you don't. Notify all of those you care about what your route is, what your intended dates are and how that can contact you. Make sure you all have ICE information on you and a method of communication (cell phone service is pervasive but not 100%). Make sure at least one of you has GPS and also have a backup (we took paper maps too).

It was literally one of the most amazing life experiences I've had to date and would do it again in a second. Riding up Grand Mesa from ~90F to being like ~50F and seeing partially frozen lakes, snow and smelling the Spruce on the way up was amazing. Riding through Death Valley and having spots of rain. Unbelievable.

Edit: I guess those pics aren't showing up, oh well.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 18, 2012, 11:11:41 AM
Sorry for the last reply to all the wonderful contributions to this thread!!   [clap] [clap] [clap]

I editted the map further from what merga had suggested to add route 92 as part of the FLOW instead of an off-chute.

Chicago is a destination. how deep we go into the mayhem there is dependent on the location of the place of interest. Frank Loyd Wright had some of his early work in Chicago and my roommate is an architect and would like to see them. I just hope they are not in downtown.

Minimizing gear will be VERY difficult because I haven't got the luxury of returning to the beginning for quite some time. I'll be in NY for three months and need to bring things like clothes, laptop, riding gear, and tools. But I will do my best.
I've decided to get the Kriega US30 because I want to use it for other things than just riding and 20L is too small (US20).

I did not realize dehydration was one of the biggest things to worry about. I'm well aware of the need to be hydrated in certain climates and that dehydration can cause serious problems especially while riding. But the evaporative effect of riding is more severe than I thought. Thank you for the heads up!! [thumbsup] A camel blatter will be coming with me.

Demon and Steve: Thank you for that extravagant posting of your exploits. Very helpful. An oil-change and possily new tires will happen before the trip. New clutch plates as well if I really think she needs it. I do need a windsheild and a Go Cruise wrist saver. If anyone knows where to get a used/cheap/aftermarket windsheild for a 2001 m900 dark I would love to check it out.

Padded bicycling shorts to minimize high frequency vibes on my backside.

My first pelican case will be here next week so I can start designing the pannier rack. Photos to follow.

My father was itching to participate in some way for this adventure so I sub-contracted the fabrication of a 5 port USB charging dock on my bike. Runs off the battery and can charge 5 devices at a time. It meets manufactures limits on current and voltage. It's not finished yet but I will post pics and the schematic on here when it is for those who are looking to re-create it. Or should I just make more and sell them? haha no time for that.

We are going to be roughing it as much as possible. We are all poor college students (Why I drive a monster as a daily communiter can only be answered with the illogical fall-back, PASSION!) so camping is number one. Walmart parking lots, feilds, highway overpasses, caves, lawns. Hotels when we run out of time or are beat or need to dry gear out, regroup or re-plan the remaining mileage.

I have AAA and health insurance. Not sure about everyone else.

I loath the task of planning gas stations every 100 miles and lodging for the whole country for 4-7 dudes. (I'm the only one planning the trip) But It seems more and more that I will need to. Today I calculated that with an hour of highway driving on one tank I got 40 mpg. Not bad but way better than the R6 coming with us.

A bit off-topic but I'm worried that my fuel mapping has not been adjusted to optimize running and fuel/air mixture after the Termignani slipons were installed. She seems a bit boggy when I punch it around 3500-4500 rpm. This may also affect fuel efficiency if the tuning is off. ?????????????Any input on this???????????????

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417224_657078953449_209803713_33019798_640344837_n.jpg)

I hope alot of the trip looks something like this (Glendora Mountain Road)


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: tilt on February 18, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
Frank Loyd Wrights work is all over the chicago area, depending on how long you have and when you will be there you might just want to go on the tour.  The down side is that to even get a taste of what he has done in chicago it will take at least a full day, the other down side is that unless you are interested in his work you are going to be falling asleep at least with the viewing of the houses that he designed. A lot of the bigger commercial projects that he did are pretty cool to look at and while those are downtown you at least have the option to make things a lilttle more interesting.  If anything try and plan a day to check out the whole city and everyone go and do your own thing.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Desmo Demon on February 18, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
An oil-change and possily new tires will happen before the trip. New clutch plates as well if I really think she needs it.
I have 54k miles on the original clutch on my ST2 and 25k on my 748. How many miles does your clutch have?

I forgot to mention, if you or a buddy has the storage capacity, take a tire plug kit and one of those mini air compressors. I always have them in my ST2 pannier and have had to use it three times in the last 5 years....two bikes and an old Volkswagen Beetle.

I hope alot of the trip looks something like this (Glendora Mountain Road)
Some parts will be like that, but when going through the Great Plains, be prepared for hours and hours of this....

(http://www.desmodemon.com/south_dakota/road_shot.jpg)

This next one was really disappointing. I rode toward the mountains for nearly 3 hours, and when I finally got close to it, the road curved, missing the mountains, and I rode on more, straight, flat, boring roads...

(http://www.desmodemon.com/california/california_8.jpg)

Even if you do wind up on a nice, twisty road, go slower than you usually would because you won't know the road, and you may not realize how mentally or physically fatigued you are. The last thing you will want it to end your trip early with a visit to a local hospital.



If you are interested, I did little write-ups of most of my larger trips here - http://www.desmodemon.com/bike_trips.html (http://www.desmodemon.com/bike_trips.html)


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on February 18, 2012, 05:50:29 PM
Spiced up the East coast on my google map route. Philly, Akron, Brooklyn. Maybe Boston if I dont run out of time/money.

The disappointments when long stretches turn into longer stretches will make the rest that much more special. Or at least I tell myself that now.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DucHead on February 19, 2012, 05:34:45 AM
...I forgot to mention, if you or a buddy has the storage capacity, take a tire plug kit and one of those mini air compressors. I always have them in my ST2 pannier and have had to use it three times in the last 5 years....two bikes and an old Volkswagen Beetle.
Some parts will be like that, but when going through the Great Plains, be prepared for hours and hours of this...

Or this with ~25 mph side winds:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2498.jpg)

 :-\


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Desmo Demon on February 19, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
Or this with ~25 mph side winds:
I've seen roads like that in many states. Texas, Iowa, and South Dakota come quickly to mind. The cross winds are why I mentioned previously about trying to not fight winds. This is an except from my trip write-up when I was on I-90 from Sioux Falls, SD to Sturgis, SD back in 2001...

"I was now heading west and this wind was now a cross-wind. I have no idea how strong it was, but going straight down the road, the bike was leaning at an angle severe enough to have me worried. To make this worse, the road construction period in the north is only about three months long and they were doing construction on this interstate. Worse thing about this, is the opposing traffic usualy were tractor-trailers that, instead of being "piggy-back" with two trailers, these guys hauled THREE trailers. So, here I am fighting a bad cross-wind, and then getting nailed by the wind disturbance from the trucks as they passed no more than six feet away. I got to where I was ducking down onto the tank of the bike to lessen the beating I was taking from the trucks, and then, I started using this technique to battle the cross wind."

It was easier on me and my body to simply drop down on the bike and let it get beat around by the wind than to have my head and torso take the beating - which is quickly fatiguing.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: EvilSteve on February 19, 2012, 05:13:23 PM
Yep, crosswinds can be rough but I don't find them as bad on a naked bike, the fairing on an ST2 or Sprint ST is going to catch more wind. You also get a wind shadow when you're behind a hill that's upwind from you, passing trucks that are upwind do all sorts of weird shit. Fun. : )

I took a backpack that had a 3 litre camel back (still use that backpack, it's getting old but it's still awesome). Be prepared to account for weaker bladders too and also, when you're trying to charge stuff, you'd better have somewhere waterproof for it to live but the tradeoff is heat. I had a waterproof container for my iPhone but the phone would overheat and shut down. Be very careful that you wire your chargers into a switched circuit, you don't want a flat battery miles from nowhere.

As far as camping goes, be really careful where you pitch your tent, it's actually illegal in some states to just stop wherever and camp.

I'd put new tires on for sure and just get an overall service. If you have a regular mechanic, let them know your general plan and they'll probably suggest a really thorough going over of your bike.

The comment about going slower on twisties was really true for me, didn't really start enjoying twisties until like 2/3 of the way through the trip. I was really scared of ending up with a broken bike 3000 miles from home but. Also, roads like the million dollar highway are amazing but really dangerous. Discretion is the better part of valor they say...


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Desmo Demon on February 19, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
Yep, crosswinds can be rough but I don't find them as bad on a naked bike, the fairing on an ST2 or Sprint ST is going to catch more wind.
I was on my Harley and didn't even have a windshield. It's fairly comparable to a Monster, except for the extra 200 pounds or so.

when you're trying to charge stuff
This reminds me. Call your credit card and debit card companies and let them know what you ae doing. My wife and I did a SaddleSore 1000 and after about six hours, the accounts were getting frozen. They get red flags and freeze the cards when they see small changes, multiple times a day, and in different states. Also remember that many of the card companies may not have operators available on the weekends, so if they freeze one on Friday, you may not be able to get it reactivated until Monday.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: EvilSteve on February 19, 2012, 08:18:56 PM
Call your credit card and debit card companies and let them know what you are doing.
Yeah, good point.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on March 04, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
Further update of the Google MyMap.

Added: Natural Bridges National Monument in Utah
            Camp sites
            More east coast stuff

Got my two pelican cases and going to use the Fab shop at my work to make the rack soon. Gotta CAD it up on solidworks first.
Installed a cheapo integrated taillight to eliminate the Giraffe-ear rear turn signals. This always me to put the panniers farther back.
Made a template for a windshield which will soon be made out of Lexan (poly-carbonate). 3/16" thick should do it.
Also got a hold of the Go Cruise cruise control device. Works pretty good.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance was added to the order as well. 3 chapters in and its pretty good.  [clap]
Haynes manual came too. It seems that it will get the job done. I would like to get the book from desmotimes as well but gotta wait for the next paycheck.

Need a cooler jacket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was in the 80's today  [evil] and I was so uncomfortable in my alpine star Verona jacket. Even with the front totally unzipped.
Any help is appreciated. I'm thinking perforated leather or something.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DanTheMan on March 06, 2012, 05:42:32 PM
Change your Utah route to include some of this stuff

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210975433095055824197.0004ba9ce316222ffb212&msa=0&ll=37.444335,-110.736694&spn=2.485841,4.927368 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210975433095055824197.0004ba9ce316222ffb212&msa=0&ll=37.444335,-110.736694&spn=2.485841,4.927368)

Zion NP, Camping and some cool sites, Narrows, angels landing
Monument valley
If you want to do some dirt riding, the 16 mile loop of Valley of the gods (Red Section) is a cool detour, flat gravel road very doable on streetbike with some comfort in dirt.
Mesa Verde NP.

Here is a link (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=49695.0) to my tour last summer, lots of pics



Zion
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dwGwkPhFkqU/TpSsPtGSExI/AAAAAAAADbQ/nt3gjDUYEj8/s720/Westbound%2520-%252080.jpg)

Monument Valley
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3DXxdswdqFQ/TpSsEaquqEI/AAAAAAAADbM/2nBqAUNOFIU/s800/Westbound%2520-%252076.jpg)

Valley of he Gods
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zTnHAxof1HQ/TpSr_MWzHqI/AAAAAAAADbA/G5VzjmXcZLw/s720/Westbound%2520-%252059.jpg)

Mesa Verde
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tenrRpYP75E/TovhzPHgKeI/AAAAAAAADas/CQOgdnjaBcs/s720/Westbound%2520-%252054.jpg)



Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: ggemelos on March 07, 2012, 08:58:29 AM
There are some great suggestions in the thread so far.  I have done a bunch of 4K+ mile motorcycle road trips, a couple on my M1100.  The only thing I would add is to set off with a rough idea of where you want to go and play a lot of it by ear.  There is nothing that can kill a trip faster than over planning.  Get a good road atlas, I recommend Rand McNally delux midsize atlas, and after every day of riding just meet up with your group and decide the next day's route.  You would be surprised how often you end up going a completely different route than you initially thought you would take and it generally ends up being a lot more fun.  Besides, isn't the freedom and uncertainty the whole appeal of a road trip?  In terms of places to stay, you can often just roll into a town and find a place to crash.  Have a great time. 


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: EvilSteve on March 07, 2012, 07:19:36 PM
Good advice from ggemelos and DanTheMan is right, Zion and Utah in general is beautiful.

There's so much to see in the US, it's a shame so many don't make time for it.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on March 07, 2012, 09:14:34 PM
Solid pictures of that super red sand!
What camera were you using?

I would be less concerned with planning if I didn't have multiple different schedules to keep in mind and my own deadlines.
The trip is first a commute and second an adventure unfortunately. I hate that that is how it ended up but I gotta get to NY by a certain day to start the new job.
That's not to say I'm going to squander the opportunity! That's why I took 14 days to go one way  [beer]

I'm going to ask the other two members of the crew if they are cool with the dirt trackin through Valley of the Gods. Me and one other are down.

Today the chargers (4x) showed up.
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/?ui=2&ik=549dd1a43c&view=att&th=135f0b5eb1653f1d&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-IakR4KVYe7HnjfyC8tB9n&sadet=1331183627582&sads=C0xbTav_xPddBA9mPHIu6l-CU0o)

Battery terminals
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/?ui=2&ik=549dd1a43c&view=att&th=135f0b5eb1653f1d&attid=0.3&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-IakR4KVYe7HnjfyC8tB9n&sadet=1331183588233&sads=vxHYC-FGa5GU1a9rBu9LdBesN04)

USB car charger
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/?ui=2&ik=549dd1a43c&view=att&th=135f0b5eb1653f1d&attid=0.5&disp=inline&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-IakR4KVYe7HnjfyC8tB9n&sadet=1331183518276&sads=bE2VU55jSmOulMJWGuH_M9e5Mvs)

Should work fine.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: WarrenJ on March 07, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
As far as Frank Lloyd Wright is concerned, his studio and school is in Spring Green, WI - pretty much right in the middle of the best twisties our relatively flat state has to offer.  I'm in East Central Wisconsin, between Green Bay and Milwaukee and am at your disposal when you are in the area.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Bun-bun on March 13, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Check out ADVrider.com for a good bit of moto-specific, though not Monster-specific info.

www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149585 (http://)  This is a thread full of folks who offer yard space/spare rooms, etc. across the country and the world. It's up to 104 pages now, so there''s probably some help there for you.

www.advrider/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=57 (http://) Trip planning. An entire subforum dedicated to planning long motorcycle trips.

www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163146 (http://)  Road food. 82 pages of good places to eat.
Good luck and take plenty of pics, I'll probably be doing something like this next year (Norfolk VA to San Diego CA) so I'll follow along.  [Dolph]


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on June 03, 2012, 08:34:58 PM
So it has been awhile since I've posted anything on DMF. I should be ashamed of myself!

But I finally got around to getting 900 ready for the trip. A few questions arose during the breakdown though.

-I bought the shim kit (EMS) before checking all the valves because I thought she would need it. Upon inspection however the clearances on all valves were .0035" for both opening and closing. (give or take .0005").
          Is this good enough to leave for another 4000 miles?

- What size bolt is used for the cam shaft belt pulley locking hole? I'm changing my timing belts.

- LT couldn't get an OEM clutch hub to replace the one I broke (pictures and explanation to come in another post) so I asked for the billet hub he offers. It does not use the clutch Cush drive.
          Has anyone had good or bad luck with this hub/ no initial Cush drive?





Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: DesmoTillDeath on June 28, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
So I made it!!!

But my beautiful, trusty, dark 900 did not.  :'(

It took all 14 days to make it across the country and Ohio was the pot hole in the road to glory. I had mentioned that I was going to travel with others and it ended up including another bike and my subaru (driven by a friend from NY). Due to a miscommunication at an intersection when faced with a yellow light I found out the hard way that a car stops more than twice as fast as a bike. After clipping the left rear of the subaru with my bike I continued to fly off and roll into the intersection. All the while the Duc took a stroll and independently found his way to the front window of an auto-body shop near the intersection.

Lets get one thing across right now. To all peoples of Ohio.....WEAR A HELMET!!!!    [bang]
It may not be the law but If I were to repeat my accident in this raw fashion then I would either no longer have the mental capacity to type or speak or I would be dead. A concussion and some road rash is all I endored thanks to proper (armored) riding gear.

I will post pix from the trip or a link soon. I will also post the fate of my love, the bike.

Thanks for reading.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: MikeZ on June 29, 2012, 03:18:32 AM
Sorry to hear about the bike but at least you are OK


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: Howie on June 29, 2012, 03:35:51 AM
Glad to hear you are relatively OK.  The bike can be replaced.


Title: Re: Cross Country Trip 2012: Need advice and suggestions
Post by: bevel on June 29, 2012, 08:00:01 AM
So what I'm noticing is that Ohio eats Ducs...

Didn't He-Man run into troubles in Ohio as well?


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