Where do you guys get your oil and filter? I'm thinking about buying in bulk to save some money. Right now, I'm just getting it at the dealership.
Filter = $17
1 quart of Spectro or BMW oil = $12 X 2.5 quarts = $31
That means each oil change is roughly $50
Check out the oil filter review in my sig below.
I have been using HiFlo filters now for a while. You can get them in bulk for around $7 each. I use Mobil1 4T from Advance for $10/qt.
How do you get away with 2.5qt?
I did mine. K&N + Mobil 1 Racing 4T (4qt). IIRC it was about $55 total.
I first used Ducati oil filters, then K&N with the nifty nut welded to the bottom - seems like a good idea. When the oil filters (and nifty nut) are painted though, it can make it difficult to get a socket on that nut. So now I'm using Hiflo and I have no complaints.
As for oil, there is a LOOOOOONG thread somewhere in the Tech discussion board related to different types of oils and how they suit us for use in our motorcycles. The one guy involved in the discussion is some sort of engineer and certainly sounded like he knew what he was talking about. Read the discussion - it is VERY interesting. I will say this: after reading the discussion, I currently use Castrol GTX 10W40.... plain ol' motor oil. And my S4R runs great ;)
Cheers!
Quote from: ducatiz on February 18, 2012, 05:51:42 PM
How do you get away with 2.5qt?
I don't know. 2.5qt is all I need to top her off. Its a M696 if that matters at all.
Quote from: mysticbluex3 on February 19, 2012, 08:38:46 AM
I don't know. 2.5qt is all I need to top her off. Its a M696 if that matters at all.
manual says 3.1L which is about 3.25 qt so I guess it's close enough. It just means about .75qt is in the engine. The cooler doesn't hold near that, maybe 0.2-0.3qt so I wonder where it is staying...
Would the Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W40 work for 120F weather? Here is arizona, it gets that hot. Most oil weight chart I find only show it going up to 100F+
I'm currently running 15W50
Quote from: ducatiz on February 19, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
manual says 3.1L which is about 3.25 qt so I guess it's close enough. It just means about .75qt is in the engine. The cooler doesn't hold near that, maybe 0.2-0.3qt so I wonder where it is staying...
I unscrew the oil drain plug, the metal mesh filter on the side and the oil filter and let it all drain for about 10 minutes. I don't know if there is anything else I can open up and drain. And yes, the bike is on front and rear stands.
Quote from: mysticbluex3 on February 19, 2012, 08:50:52 AM
I unscrew the oil drain plug, the metal mesh filter on the side and the oil filter and let it all drain for about 10 minutes. I don't know if there is anything else I can open up and drain. And yes, the bike is on front and rear stands.
no idea. i let mine drain overnight usually and i do it on a rear stand only, which tilts the sump forward. i doubt that helps much, but it seems to make it come out faster. i have to assume that near-half-quart is trapped in the case passages or heads, but that seems like a LOT
cycle the engine by hand.
Quote from: He Man on February 19, 2012, 09:15:58 AM
cycle the engine by hand.
The oil moves by being pushed by the pump. If there is no oil, then there is nothing to push it out. You might free up some in the crank galleys and heads by the rotation, but any that is in the case galleys will still sit there.
Quote from: mysticbluex3 on February 19, 2012, 08:50:52 AM
I unscrew the oil drain plug, the metal mesh filter on the side and the oil filter and let it all drain for about 10 minutes. I don't know if there is anything else I can open up and drain. And yes, the bike is on front and rear stands.
That's a good way to get it all out. Seems to drain best when the bike is level and the sump screen has been removed. Maybe undo the filler cap as well. Letting it drain for a few hours may help too. Only other thing I can think of would be remove the oil cooler and drain that but that's going way too far and those fittings are delicate.
wow.. once again how us aussies get ripped off... the mobil 4t at $25 qt! used to be able to get down to near $22 if u shop around but unfortunately mobil has sold all its stations to 7/11 now and mobil are pulling out of Australia!! so its getting hard to get any oil from them now. so $25 a qt it was for my latest change!!
Quote from: Roaduser on February 19, 2012, 08:54:31 PM
wow.. once again how us aussies get ripped off... the mobil 4t at $25 qt! used to be able to get down to near $22 if u shop around but unfortunately mobil has sold all its stations to 7/11 now and mobil are pulling out of Australia!! so its getting hard to get any oil from them now. so $25 a qt it was for my latest change!!
Mobil1 isn't the holy grail, any 4T full synth is good. You have brands they don't even offer in the USA.
When I do my oil change I automatically add the recommend amount of oil. The sight glass is fully submerged. After the bike is run and back on level ground the oil level is at or maybe just a hair above the high mark in the sight glass. You shouldn't be watching the glass at all while you're filling it.
Adding more oil than you need doesn't help anything. You should not overfill the engine.
Adding the recommended amount is not more than you need.
Quote from: Carbon 14 on February 20, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
Adding the recommended amount is not more than you need.
Don't know about you, but I never manage to get all the oil when I drain mine. If I put the stated quantity into mine, it would always be around half a quart or more too much.
Quote from: ducatiz on February 20, 2012, 10:54:06 AM
Don't know about you, but I never manage to get all the oil when I drain mine. If I put the stated quantity into mine, it would always be around half a quart or more too much.
I never get the whole 3.5 qts in either.
I usually add three...run it...and top it up to the full line after a few minute drain back.
I usually end up adding a pint.
I fill it to where I need it in the sight glass, run the engine, and then let it sit for a while to let the oil recollect. After that I top it off with what I need. I've never had to use the full recommended amount, always a bit less like Tiz said.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
I never get the whole 3.5 qts in either.
I usually add three...run it...and top it up to the full line after a few minute drain back.
I usually end up adding a pint.
Quote from: thought on February 20, 2012, 11:00:26 AM
I fill it to where I need it in the sight glass, run the engine, and then let it sit for a while to let the oil recollect. After that I top it off with what I need. I've never had to use the full recommended amount, always a bit less like Tiz said.
Zakly [thumbsup]
Quote from: howie on February 20, 2012, 01:35:50 PM
Zakly [thumbsup]
What he (they) said
Quote from: ducatiz on February 18, 2012, 05:51:42 PM
Check out the oil filter review in my sig below.
Did you ever take apart that Amsoil filter I sent you?
Quote from: Dan on February 20, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
Did you ever take apart that Amsoil filter I sent you?
Nope. I have it sitting here on my desk with 2 other filters scheduled for "demolition" when it gets warmer. (An Athena filter and a Ryco).
I haven't forgotten!
Quote from: ducatiz on February 20, 2012, 03:21:01 PM
Nope. I have it sitting here on my desk with 2 other filters scheduled for "demolition" when it gets warmer. (An Athena filter and a Ryco).
I haven't forgotten!
good paperweights...
eh? ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2012, 03:22:53 PM
good paperweights...
eh? ;D
paper? i have a 21st century office!
no, it's an interest of mine. my home office is a gun/motorcycle/pipe/watch lovers dream
Quote from: ducpainter on February 20, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
I never get the whole 3.5 qts in either.
I usually add three...run it...and top it up to the full line after a few minute drain back.
I usually end up adding a pint.
I must have gone to a bad school, they taught me three quarts and a pint is 3.5 quarts.
I must just be lucky but when I drain, fill and ride the level is always spot on. A couple ounces +/- isn't going to make any difference anyway as it's just sump material. When in doubt I always have to figure the engineers who design and build the motor are at least smart enough to decide how much lubricant should be installed. If you install the correct amount you will be within OEM operating parameters.
Quote from: Carbon 14 on February 20, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
I must have gone to a bad school, they taught me three quarts and a pint is 3.5 quarts.
I must just be lucky but when I drain, fill and ride the level is always spot on. A couple ounces +/- isn't going to make any difference anyway as it's just sump material. When in doubt I always have to figure the engineers who design and build the motor are at least smart enough to decide how much lubricant should be installed. If you install the correct amount you will be within OEM operating parameters.
No...you went to the good school.
I left out the word 'under'. ;D
For me, I'm a lot more comfortable knowing that the oil level is exactly where it's supposed to be as opposed to a generalized number that the manual gives me. One of those theory vs reality kind of things... while in a perfect world the perfect amt of oil might be the suggested one, 98% of the time reality butts in and it's not quite what it's supposed to be.
Also, I've heard that overfilling your oil is pretty rough on your engine... in fact people have told me that it's better to closer to the bottom/mid of the oil line rather than the top so I tend to shoot for that level rather than the top line.
Also, I've heard that overfilling your oil is pretty rough on your engine... in fact people have told me that it's better to closer to the bottom/mid of the oil line rather than the top so I tend to shoot for that level rather than the top line.
That's what I do [thumbsup]