Title: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 24, 2012, 03:34:43 PM Stage 1
(http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/IMG_20120324_161159-Copy.jpg) (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/IMG_20120324_161133-Copy.jpg) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: zooom on March 25, 2012, 04:15:05 AM you gonna put a KTM front end on it for some real travel and dirt tractability?
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 25, 2012, 08:44:29 AM I haven't found decent tires yet, and I still like the SSS.
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Speeddog on March 25, 2012, 09:16:12 AM http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_80/tkc_80_en.html (http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_80/tkc_80_en.html)
Now available in 120/70-17 and 180/55-17 sizes according to the website. (http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/de/continental/motorrad/themen/motorradreifen/enduro/tkc_80/img/tkc80_uv,property=original.jpg) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 25, 2012, 09:28:30 AM I see that those do supposedly exist, but there is no way to order them that I can find. They exist in the html version of the product list, but not in the pdf in the link on the same page. From that and the prices they list on the "out-of-stock" websites I assume that if you have a big name luxo-custom shop they will make them for you, but if you are a mortal you are S.O.L.
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Speeddog on March 25, 2012, 11:12:42 AM This says available in June...
http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=38677 (http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=38677) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 25, 2012, 03:05:24 PM Aha! [evil]
Now we'll see if my cash flow and tire needs can match up with their stocking rates. I'm already pretty pleased with the Scorpions, so we'll see. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Speeddog on March 25, 2012, 05:45:01 PM ~~~SNIP~~~ I'm already pretty pleased with the Scorpions, so we'll see. Do the Scorpions work better in the dirt? How long do they last? Got a customer looking to do some adventure riding... I've used the TKC-80's on my Gran Canyon, great on hard dirt. Sucko in deep sand, but it's a 500 lb bike with a 19" front. My buddy's Katoom 950 with a 21" TKC works much better in the sand. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 25, 2012, 09:19:59 PM Do the Scorpions work better in the dirt? How long do they last? Got a customer looking to do some adventure riding... I've used the TKC-80's on my Gran Canyon, great on hard dirt. Sucko in deep sand, but it's a 500 lb bike with a 19" front. My buddy's Katoom 950 with a 21" TKC works much better in the sand. Umm... I can only assume the TKCs work better than Scorpions in the dirt. I have Tourances on the 1100GS, and they suck... except for tire life. Although to be fair it is damn near a 600 lb bike with a 19" front. This is my first set of Scorpion Trails, and the difference between them and regular street tires is notable on unpaved roads. They also have bigger gaps between the tread than the Tourances. I've only had them on for about 5 miles now, but they seem to be a good fire-road tire at least on the monster. I'll let you know how long they last. For reference, it appears I got approximately 7k out of my last Conti-motion rear (I changed the front at the same time... August last year). This is the first time, though, that my rear didn't square off badly. I ride pretty much regardless of weather, I commute, and I ride to see where the road goes. I've even ridden two-up in light sand on the monster with the Conti. My understanding of the TKCs is that they don't last very long on the road on the great big bikes (ADVrider), hence the lack of them on the fat cow. If you want to sponsor say half the cost of the TKCs, I'll wear them out and write a thorough review :D [Dolph] road, dirt, and given the June availability, I should even be able to find some mud. To be honest, this build has cost me approximately $120 plus tires so far (stage 1.5 is in the mail), and I really like my setup for street-ish riding. And I have no plans to go single-track ridiculous on a Monster. Right now I'm thinking ground clearance is more important than suspension. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Speeddog on March 26, 2012, 07:44:19 AM Ground clearance is indeed a concern.
Also, the oil filter is very much in harm's way. :( Yes, the TKC's don't last very long. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 26, 2012, 07:49:11 AM ~~SNIP Also, the oil filter is very much in harm's way. :( I have a plan... Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Slide Panda on March 26, 2012, 09:13:31 AM Does your imagination seem anything like this?
(http://www.terramostro.com/images/1.jpg) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 26, 2012, 09:27:37 AM Does your imagination seem anything like this? (http://www.terramostro.com/images/1.jpg) Similar, but different. I'm aiming more for a 75% road solution. Unlike the GS, which is a touring bike masquerading as an adventurer. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: zooom on March 26, 2012, 09:30:55 AM he just wants to do this kind of thing....
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/yamaha-r1-sand-dunes/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/yamaha-r1-sand-dunes/) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 26, 2012, 09:37:39 AM he just wants to do this kind of thing.... http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/yamaha-r1-sand-dunes/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/yamaha-r1-sand-dunes/) If only I could actually ride... and that reminds me, I should clean my air filter. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Skyshadow on March 27, 2012, 05:58:23 PM Sub...(wait for it) scribed!
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Skyshadow on March 28, 2012, 03:50:08 PM I like this idea and now I'm torn on where to go with my bike...
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/huffster_2007/412787_3503772429957_1141124047_3494024_1244714197_o.jpg) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on March 28, 2012, 07:14:53 PM stage 1.5 has arrived. Teaser pics this weekend! 8)
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on April 01, 2012, 03:07:43 PM Stage 1.5 reduce, re-use, recycle.
Initial fitting (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/IMG_20120331_092617-Copy.jpg) Next step is a welder... Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Skyshadow on April 02, 2012, 03:41:32 PM What are we looking at here?
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: corey on April 02, 2012, 05:19:26 PM What are we looking at here? looks like the exhaust from the front cylinder being rerouted to give a bit for ground clearance. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on April 02, 2012, 07:44:49 PM What we are looking at here is the stock headers from a Multistrada 620. It turns out all small case motors are the same.
I only had two issues with it... the little tiny catalytic converter interfered with my foot, and the bend after it interfered with the swing arm. Out came the hacksaw. I also have to lower the ride height a smidge because at full extension the swing arm rubs on the vertical pipe a wee bit. To finish it I need to make a bracket for the left side to make sure the front header doesn't melt the... wire that is the sensor on the bottom right of the engine case, right under the clutch, whose purpose escapes me right now, and fab up the rest from "scratch." I could just make it dump right there like a monoboom, but I am attempting to at least look responsible when it goes off pavement.... Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on April 02, 2012, 08:11:03 PM I like this idea and now I'm torn on where to go with my bike... (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa310/huffster_2007/412787_3503772429957_1141124047_3494024_1244714197_o.jpg) I like both of those. To my eye, though, each one is further into solving a single problem set than I like to be. I assume the one on the left has compromised road handling a fair bit, and I assume the one on the right would be hell on my back on the local slab to where the slightly twisty roads are. I even like the idea you took with your exhaust (in the other thread)... I probably won't order one :P, but I like the thought that went into the execution. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on April 16, 2012, 09:17:17 AM ~1k update on the tires.
They seem to be holding up pretty well to my heavy hand, and they handle pretty decent on the street. Washboard gravel/dirt roads are not scary at less than 50, and light sand and wet dirt (I wouldn't call it quite mud) are decent as well. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on April 17, 2012, 07:41:45 AM Dial this one back from 11 to about a 5, so I'll only be a little over my head.
Extreme Triumph Street Triple Offroad - Julien Welsch - StreetBike Motocross (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4PBsH4Xry9U#) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Skyshadow on April 18, 2012, 01:58:08 PM Amazing editing on that video!
Title: Update Post by: Dirty Duc on May 02, 2012, 10:44:03 AM So, I thought this would be a faster process, and that I would continue to ride the bike as it evolved. Layshaft seal and oil cooler hoses had entirely different ideas, though.
Layshaft seal is fixed, but Frentubos are on back order. >:( Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on August 01, 2012, 01:01:21 PM This says available in June... http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=38677 (http://www.af1racing.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=38677) I still have little faith these exist for regular people... In other news, it turns out my skid plate solution interferes with my oil cooler lines. I think I have a plan, but first: to the Rockies! Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: El chucho on August 13, 2012, 08:13:07 PM oh yes we can... ground clearance is a crutch also, wheelies cure many ills over logs and big rocks. although restraint is the better part of valor. I had wanted to take you over to Moab and plonk around over there, would have been a ride like Lake city though, long......there is really just so much to see and I'm just now beginning to see it...
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Buckethead on August 13, 2012, 08:40:33 PM I think I have a plan, but first: to the Rockies! I was next to you at the photo shoot Saturday morning, yes? Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on August 13, 2012, 10:00:08 PM I was next to you at the photo shoot Saturday morning, yes? SC with boom tubes? yepper, that was me. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on August 13, 2012, 10:04:55 PM oh yes we can... ground clearance is a crutch also, wheelies cure many ills over logs and big rocks. although restraint is the better part of valor. I had wanted to take you over to Moab and plonk around over there, would have been a ride like Lake city though, long......there is really just so much to see and I'm just now beginning to see it... As for you, old man... my tires are better suited to the random sand scatterings on the pavement you get up there than any true Moab trip. They don't act too crazy on the tar strips either.Return average 58 (including gas and food stops) Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on August 19, 2012, 05:32:21 PM So, scary noise that developed at DiTR turned out to be loose belts. Every other set seems to do that, especially when I do long trips. Cinched them back up and everything is peachy-keen.
Duck-Stew mentioned the possibility of the rivets in my clutch coming loose, but that did not appear to be the case either as the basket remains fast to the primary gear. Onward with mods... Rattlecanned the pantah belt covers BBQ black to see how I like it (prior to committing to powdercoat). (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/000_0001.jpg) And then I had to clean the garage because all my tools had gone AWOL. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Buckethead on August 19, 2012, 07:53:23 PM SC with boom tubes? yepper, that was me. You gave me the best compliment I can remember getting about my bike. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on August 19, 2012, 09:38:19 PM You gave me the best compliment I can remember getting about my bike. [thumbsup] Really? What did I say?I do like that look, and I don't know anything about all those quiet bikes... I like a riot on wheels! [evil] Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Buckethead on August 20, 2012, 04:20:27 PM Really? What did I say? I forget the exact verbiage, but as I was getting ready to fire up my bike and leave the parking lot you said something like "Oh, yeah. That's what I've been waiting for." In a parking lot full of amazing bikes? That was a pretty serious compliment. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on September 01, 2012, 03:44:50 PM Not the Mono-boom
(http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/IMG_20120901_162555-Copy.jpg) (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/IMG_20120901_162536-Copy.jpg) But it is USFS approved! Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: seanster on September 01, 2012, 07:38:27 PM Thats the multi exhaust you talked about.... [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: zooom on September 03, 2012, 04:41:43 AM interesting tip on the exhaust....
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on September 03, 2012, 05:59:15 PM Spark arrestor/muffler baffle.
Like for a dunebuggy. ;D Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on September 22, 2012, 12:35:15 PM interesting tip on the exhaust.... Even more interesting is the lifetime of the end cap... which holds the whole shebang together. I would rate it at 15 miles if you don't have enough discs in there. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: take risks on September 23, 2012, 07:15:28 AM tail chop!
Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on September 23, 2012, 08:49:33 PM tail chop! no chop! I am a fickle modder (at least in my heart) and I want to be able to change my mind.... ;D Plus, if I decide I don't have enough storage in the Wolfmans, I want the option to attach something to the rear. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: zooom on September 24, 2012, 12:08:48 PM tail chop! no chop! I am a fickle modder (at least in my heart) and I want to be able to change my mind.... ;D Plus, if I decide I don't have enough storage in the Wolfmans, I want the option to attach something to the rear. + if he chops the tail...the rooster tail of dirt he'd get on his back when actually riding this machine in the dirt would be even greater by alot! Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on May 11, 2014, 02:24:45 PM (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/NCM_0024_zpsd251aeb5.jpg)
(http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k519/mergatroyd/AngryDuc/NCM_0023_zpsba673fa2.jpg) Told you I was fickle... Tank is steel. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: ungeheuer on May 11, 2014, 09:46:03 PM woohoo 8) [thumbsup]
I'm liking this thread [popcorn] Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on May 13, 2014, 09:08:07 PM woohoo 8) [thumbsup] 5.5 gallons of the good stuff.I'm liking this thread [popcorn] Now if I can just get the fiddling problems out of the way. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on May 22, 2016, 07:33:21 PM This is the eventual update between other things like racing.
The ST tank isn't shaped the same underneath, so I borrowed a concept from something I saw on Duck-Stew's bike and rolled my own... eventually. The exhaust is mostly made of Ducati bits except the shiny bit at the end. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hS_Bf1myKi9m4mmU_7FumYPY6rBlg9w6MBeePnN3q5bnskIF7-TZGuh5oaJDD2V1lW5HNk94TRhX=w1698-h955-no) Closer: (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yxvePP52vfRP9xpGtEG20CpdMww3O0ehfMKgzFyry94l7KuFecnvwyiMOTJTDPyEXcIIWP-oAxzq=w1698-h955-no) This also necessitated moving some things, like the battery and the regulator and the breather box and... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oNUk2N7GXSoe8RYTqX0-J8aZx7BSAWCzGkCO4FwsbhL4RJ3Ad2pfoeB7vFvm49xNT73Fn8REjRcd=w1698-h955-no) What you can't see because all my allen wrenches are out in the "shed" tonight is what I did with the coils and ECU. The ECU and coil solution becomes relevant in light of my current issues... I think there is some interference that needs to be eliminated. I wish I knew how to test for EMI in real-world conditions. Title: Re: Over the river and through the woods Post by: Dirty Duc on May 31, 2016, 11:23:22 AM So it turned out to be the hot wire to the fuses... got pinched between the tank and the vertical head. Vibration, etc., wore through the insulation and voila: toasty wire.
The exhaust and intake set-up appears to have made the bike surprisingly tractable. It rides easily at 2500 rpm. |