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Title: Steering Damper Question
Post by: desmodoktor on April 22, 2012, 04:26:21 PM
2012 M1100evo.
i need opinions on what steering damper to get.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: xcaptainxbloodx on April 22, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
http://motowheels.com/i-8558658-scotts-performance-steering-damper-kit-monster-1100.html (http://motowheels.com/i-8558658-scotts-performance-steering-damper-kit-monster-1100.html)


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on April 23, 2012, 11:44:27 AM
oooph, i know those are popular, but they are just not for me. especially looks-wise.  I hear they are quite popular with the MX folks, but none of my dirtbikes ever had anything that fancy.


I've got Ohlins dampers on all of mine.  Purse-snatcher on two (longways), under triple on one (sideways) and in normal SBK position on the SBK obviously (sideways).   if you want to follow after race-technology, they are all using the damper-rod tech still.   The desmosedici uses a purse-snatcher type mount (longways), the Factory 1198RS and the Panigale 1199 use the sideways mount.  Nobody is using the rotory dampers at the top level, and for whatever reason Ohlins/DP discontinued that style damper and removed it from the parts catalog.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: xcaptainxbloodx on April 23, 2012, 07:00:26 PM
^ all true but if were honest about how we ride our monsters very few people need the top most level of adjustability.

the scotts is a high end and very capable damper. I like how compact it is and how protected it would be in even a very hard wreck. the purse snatcher is awesome but it is heavily exposed, the SBK is mount is better but its pretty bulky with a similar feel.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on April 24, 2012, 06:39:20 AM
^ all true but if were honest about how we ride our monsters very few people need the top most level of adjustability.

the scotts is a high end and very capable damper. I like how compact it is and how protected it would be in even a very hard wreck. the purse snatcher is awesome but it is heavily exposed, the SBK is mount is better but its pretty bulky with a similar feel.


???   The SBK mount for the Monster is no bigger than a scotts - heck, mine is under the lower triple via the Motowheels kit (Ducati Performance used to offer a similar kit)


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: xcaptainxbloodx on April 24, 2012, 06:46:07 AM
The Scott's mounts between the risers and under the bars, SBK style mounts above the bars, Scott's is just a bit bigger then the palm of my hand, SBK is the length of my hand...


Not like it's a big deal either way, it's just personal taste.  I was mostly just mentioning that you dont need a world class racing damper for an air cooled naked street bike, pretty much anything will get the job done.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on April 24, 2012, 06:49:54 AM
Its not about world-class-racing versus monster-street-riding,  a tank slapper generating X amount of force could occur in either situation (and more frequently on the street where the suspension is all sorts of wrong for somebody's weight - coupled with some geometry setups - see H-D death wobbles, for an example)


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: swankdaddy7 on April 24, 2012, 07:15:25 AM
Its not about world-class-racing versus monster-street-riding,  a tank slapper generating X amount of force could occur in either situation (and more frequently on the street where the suspension is all sorts of wrong for somebody's weight - coupled with some geometry setups - see H-D death wobbles, for an example)

If I don't want to change the bar risers (aka Scott's), what model/brand will work with the 1100 Evo? 


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on April 24, 2012, 07:21:11 AM
bitubo, for one.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: swankdaddy7 on April 24, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
bitubo, for one.

I'm actually using the shorter ('09-'11) bar risers on my otherwise stock 2012 1100 Evo.  I went on Bellisimoto and solomotorparts and they each has the damper listed as fitting the '09-'11.  So I'm not 100% sure if that applies to me or not.  Any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on April 24, 2012, 11:07:28 AM
Sounds like it would fit to me, worst case scenario you shim it into place with some spacers.  You can even get black aluminum spacers in various sizes from McMaster-Carr at ridiculously cheap prices.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: desmodoktor on April 24, 2012, 12:10:31 PM
http://desmotimes.com/product913.htm (http://desmotimes.com/product913.htm)

I have the same setup on my m750. Ohlins. Where can I get the clams for the 1100evo??  Looks like the frame is thicker... I'll put an ohlins and call it a day... That damper on my m750 never disappointed me... Please let me know where to find the clams .. ThX


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: dufukincati on April 24, 2012, 03:20:34 PM
I picked up an Matris M4R for my 1997 M900, Mounts under the tank/triple left to right.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: Girrari on October 05, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
Hi, I would like to get a Bitubo or Hyperpro steering damper for M1100 Evo, but on their catalogues I can't find the EVO versions, just 696 or 1100 (S). Did anyone tried to put one of those dampers on 1100 EVO or any other damper?


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: COP TZR on October 05, 2012, 10:32:27 AM
If you guys are interested, I've got a new BiTubo damper for your 696/796/1100 Monsters.  Complete with hardware.

Let me know if interested.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: Triple J on October 05, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
if you want to follow after race-technology, they are all using the damper-rod tech still.   Nobody is using the rotory dampers at the top level,

Not true. Have a look at GPR's website (also a rotary style damper). Lots of top-level road racers use their rotary dampers. Many of the guys I race with use Scotts or GPR as well, and while it's just club racing, it's way above and beyond what a street bike will ever see (forces may be the same, but the damper works a lot more often in racing than street riding). Rotary dampers work just as well as the rod type.

Looks is another issue, but that's personal. I had a GPR on my 848 and loved it. The side-mount rod-style dampers are as ugly as it gets.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on October 08, 2012, 07:13:36 AM
I think I still stand by what I said - I can't find any instances of a factory team or regular championship contender using a rotary style damper.   For example, factory Ducati and factory Yamaha teams all use Ohlins rod-type dampers in national circuits. Ohlins made a rotary type damper, and it was discontinued because it wasn't being picked up by race teams and had issues with it breaking in hard lock-to-lock headshake situations.   I didn't see anyone using them who was regularly on the podium in CMRA either.


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: Triple J on October 08, 2012, 07:35:10 AM
All big name riders. Who cares what Ohlins did? Rod style dampers are their thing, and they make good ones. A lot of riders or their teams are sponsored by Ohlins, so of course they run Ohlins dampers...whatever style they make.

http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_573_john_mcguinness_bsb_2 (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_573_john_mcguinness_bsb_2)

http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_576_lascorz_at_miller_2010 (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_576_lascorz_at_miller_2010)

http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_570_fujiwara_at_miller (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_570_fujiwara_at_miller)

http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_239_corona_honda_hodgson_3 (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_239_corona_honda_hodgson_3)


http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_657_broc_parkes_2011 (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/pic_657_broc_parkes_2011)


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: junior varsity on October 08, 2012, 08:06:34 AM
fair enough


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: acto on December 23, 2012, 06:58:39 AM
This is the perfect thread for the info I'm looking for.
I have a 2009 Monster 1100s. I'm removing the bars and riser and going to Woodcraft clipons with a 2.5" rise. I'm also installing a new speedymoto  top triple.
So here's my question.....what can I use as a damper. All dampers I've seen for monsters mount on the riser....

Thanks


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: stopintime on December 23, 2012, 07:45:07 AM
^ side mount / 'purse snatcher' damper with 1100(S) specific clamps for your fork and frame.

No, I don't know if anyone made that...


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: acto on December 23, 2012, 08:25:16 AM
I actually just found this.

http://www.storzperf.com/np_duc696dampr.html (http://www.storzperf.com/np_duc696dampr.html)


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: stopintime on December 23, 2012, 08:46:55 AM
Check that the diameter of both clamps are correct [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Steering Damper Question
Post by: acto on December 23, 2012, 03:06:39 PM
Yeah good idea. I would much rather have a damper mounted on top rather then on the side...


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