Ducati Monster Forum

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I do question the use of off-the-shelf goldline calipers with such an otherwise over-the-top build, but whatevs.

I can haz red x box

hmm... i see image.   i will upload it myself instead of relying on link.

ok, try try again.

 I got all excited at first glance, but then I saw they were just fork fairings [thumbsdown]  Who needs fork fairings? [puke]

 +1
      I thought it was like a Confederate front end.

indeed.   but its still neato and somehow the damper mounts thereto. or thereon. whatev.      also, neat seat.

it's nice paint and body work - but everything else is pretty run of the mill for this crowd. Ex-box, rizoma clutch cover and a steering damper. Dunno if I'd call it a build... Yeah I'm nit picking...

While I'm at it - WTF is with the rear stand. Looks like the found it after a few decades in a barn.

It has been a while since we've seen anything a little different.  I like it.  The paint job is cool. The seat is perfectly intergrated with the tank.   The tail is a little bit high and a little too short, but that has been the European custom street bike look for quite a while now.  [thumbsup]

I like it

it's original, fresh and still keeps some heritage.

I think if you look overall, it's a lowbudget build
the bodywork and tail frame chop are the biggest changes.
and the steering damper mounts to the fork, the fork fairing is just cut away there.
and the rear seat isn't that high, i think the 696 is higher. the angle is wierd do to shortness and being on the rear stand.

things I would have done different

PC the swingarm to match the frame.

Used a SF style shotgun exhaust.

silver rear spring

black center on rotors and clutch cover

hellfire headlight

and that's about it.

well unless you want to spend more money then i would have upgraded forks and brakes to 1198S units and rear caliper as well

I like everything about it... except the fork fairings.  In light of my position as a self-appointed judge of style over the internet... They are just silly.  Like "carbon-fiber look" vinyl wrap.  Possibly worse, since those fairings likely cost a penny or two.

It's cool looking.

Nice find.

 [evil] [evil]

I like it but those fork fairings gotta go!

I agree....I just wonder head on what those fork fairings look like, and that is the only think I am really on the fence about....and what they do for the owner if anything more than personal aesthetics...

Very nice build, I like how the tail-tank-forks seem to flow together. [thumbsup]

Now for the nit-picking: the belt covers, paint them you cheap bastard! >:( Also it would really be nice to see a nice proper hossack front end instead of fairings or that confederate BS... [roll]

fyi, i found this one on the ducatimonsterclub.it forum.

I've never seen the fork fairings sold commercially, so fwiw, still kind of neat.   I think that "real" front end (on the confederate, for example) is neat - but only in a steampunk kind of way.   its got no business on a bike built for outright performance. (kinda like perimeter brakes, heeeyooo!)

Britten V1000... that is all.

(http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/britten-v1000.jpg)

(http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/britten_v1000.jpg)

http://www.bikeexif.com/britten-v1000 (http://www.bikeexif.com/britten-v1000)
cool stuff

Maybe these?
(http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/renard-motorcycle.jpg)
http://www.bikeexif.com/renard-motorcycle (http://www.bikeexif.com/renard-motorcycle)

actually I really like this front end better... it would match the frame better.  ;D
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ok enough pictures..

That's not all...
The Britten design is cool and all, but that front end has been adopted by ... nobody ... in racing, even decades after it was implemented in his bikes.     For that matter, there's been lots of anti-dive contraptions fitted to the front end of bikes over the years with little to none making a lasting impression. This type of front end is a little bit like BMW's pioneering the telescopic fork long ago, then dropping it in favor of a front-shock setup.  Oops.  It ain't better, its just different for the sake of being different.

I was refuting your point that a girder-style front end has no business on a performance motorcycle.  The argument that "no one else is doing it so it must not work" seems a bit strange on a Ducati forum.  Nobody else has adopted desmodromic valves in racing...

The error in your logic is profound.     Ducati is a major manufacturer and is winning by landslides in racing worldwide, and has been doing so for quite a long time.    They sale tons of motorcycles yearly.  Their desmodromic engines are used in various other manufacturers' bikes as well.  With reference to the dry-clutch, every MotoGP bike uses this technology.  Ducati's desmodromic valve-train is a bit like looking at pneumatic valves and saying "must not work good, only Honda is using it".

meanwhile...: http://blogger.xs4all.nl/daisy/archive/2007/10/19/306816.aspx (http://blogger.xs4all.nl/daisy/archive/2007/10/19/306816.aspx)

Girder front ends have been adopted by no manufacturer whatsoever, even for racing.  Britten, himself, does not count as a manufacturer adopting the technology, he "went his own way".  His production numbers cannot be compared to even minor commercial motorcycle manufacturers.   

Moreover, Ducati did not pioneer desmodromics nor were they first to use them in racing.  Ducati put desmodromics in commercial motorcycles, and has continued to use them.  That's the difference.

Desmodromic engines are not that 'strange' of an implementation in motorcycles.  They are essentially identical to standard motors, with the addition of a lobe and a mechanical closer.  Getting ballsdeep in a ducati motor, splitting the cases and seeing what all the innards look like shows that its not that different from any other internal combustion engine.   People don't make that much of a fuss about push-rod engines, do they?

Race-use is important in determining whether something offers advantages: Good examples are brakes (carbon, perimeter, hub, etc) and chassis geometry (linkages, ratios, pivots, swingarm types, and so on).  Powerplants are also a great place for expirementation - a great example is the Norton Rotories for JPS - the clip where the two all-in-black riders blow by everybody like they are standing still is a great part of racing history.   Race-use tells a whole lot about one thing:  Traction (and the involved areas: suspension, tires, chassis/geometry, power delivery, braking, weight distribution). 

So, by contrast, where spring and girder front ends are used by BMW touring machines, retro-look cruisers, and by Confederate (a post-modern cruiser, or some other apt name), they are not used in racing (apart from essentially a single instance - much like many other front end 'anti-dive' technologies used in the 50's-70's). Even BMW, with ample springer/girder front end research and resources chose a conventional telescopic fork for their race bike, however.   (however it might be argued that one ought to not be too different from mainstream when trying to enter the market - buell sometimes gets that wrong and surprises/scares-off potential customers with the unveiling of tons of unproven technologies all at once)

you are right, j v.  You win.

i don't think there's a win/lose here - just some guy's monster in italy with a neato tail-tank integration and for some reason he bolted covers on top of stock forks.

We are just talking past each other... I think I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with it.  Since all that can come of this scenario is me sounding like an ass on the internet and spending a whole bunch of time researching something that has no bearing on the massive amount of research and writing I have to do for my other obligations...

I figured I would just concede to your points.  There is much to be discussed on this topic, but it's like carbon fiber frames.  Nobody is doing it because it is too hard to develop within even an astronomical MotoGP budget.

word.   either way, i still like the tank/seat integration.

lets settle on something we all like....


Boobies!

No argument here!

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I've always wanted to touch one...

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Couldn't help myself.  ;)

What can I say, it's been a slow day.  ***knocking on wood*** 
How 'bout you granola?

my day is slow.  very slow.  but its "NEW-TIE TUESDAY" (which is exciting in a different way than the Pat-Test Tuesday the radio station in Memphis used to air) AND Tuesday = Trivia Night.   So that's my motivation to make it through the day.

Saphire and tonic........

.......that' my motivation.






 [beer]

I like it.

And to the 2 arguing, discussing what the funk is and is not race worthy...

I like it too.

By my eye, all it needs is a spiffy undertail exhaust and it's all there.

loove it.
something new and outa the box styling wise....

that would look good.   I've seen a few where it exits under the seat cowl where the stock taillight would have been (OEM seat/tail/frame modified)

With that short tail, an under seat exhaust would look "off". No need to argue, I am right. The Exbox looks fine, but I would have preferred the shotgun exhaust or a 2-into-1 shorty in this case.

Yes.

Here is a link for it...

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http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-monster-s4r-paolo-tesio/#more-30187 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-monster-s4r-paolo-tesio/#more-30187)

Thanks for posting the link.

The tail doesn't look as aggressive with the bike flat. That's a good thing.  [thumbsup]

I wonder if he intends to sell this as a kit?

Just read the last section of the write up. Wonder what "enough interest" means in terms of volume? And how would you contact the guy?

actually a 999 style tail exhaust would complete it better

I think an an exhaust like this one will look good too.
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I dunno, I picture a couple of big-diameter tubes (make the beast with two backs mufflers of any kind) poking straight out directly under the rear cowl and it makes me all tingly in my pants.  

Boomtubes would be neato also.

jesus make the beast with two backsing christ! this thing just surpased my 10 year favorite fantasy bike the honda nas

It's not bad looking, but you'd think with all the custom work he put into it he could do better than an off the shelf exhaust...

[ patsy ]

*shrug* It's only a model...

[ /patsy ]

it's hardly a 'build' bike... it's to showcase his concept bodykit. a whoooole bunch of that bike is stock (like... the entire rear end... hand controls...), idk how the goldline calipers were the only thing pointed out in the OP

no no, i agree - lots 'n' lots stock on it.  (not like that means its bad components though)

*edit* did some searching and found it. I want.

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Radical%20Ducati/radical_ducati__9.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Radical%20Ducati/radical_ducati__9.htm)