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Was scanning bikesales the other day and found a 2007 S4RS in red for sale just up the road from my place.

I'm heading out tomorrow to have a look see (she who must be obeyed is away on course).

Asking price is $16000 but pretty sure I can do better than that, but my wife fails to understand the attraction.

So what "logic" can I use to convince her this isn't a waste of money but a true investment?

Obviously I'm not willing to forgo my S2R, my BWM R100R, my Kawasaki ZR550 or my boat so I need some good guts advice.

Advise away  ;D

  Forget logic, just try bribery, " After I buy this bike I will be so happy, I will give you my credit card so you can buy something ! "  Expensive but would probably work.

  Isn't 16,000 fairly expensive at this time ?

 

Think yourself lucky as you have someone here with experience in this area.
My wife could not understand my love of both bikes and boats but everything worked out just dandy in the end.
The divorce was amicable and she just loves the house........     [bang]

Only recently completed my "advance negotiating course" but was warned it only worked in a "rational" negotiation! They suggested that trying to use it with a spouse was not encouraged!

Now the standard negotiating methodology is to offer something "low cost to me" but valuable to her in exchange. Given I gave up my T..... some years ago, I no longer have them to offer up.

She already has 3 horses but wants more land. I did suggest I'd get her a couple hundred acres (on the moon) but that didn't go so well.

What does she want, hmm, perhaps I could offer up more time without me as I'd be out riding. How many hours would I need to be on the road to rack up $16K?

WRT price, if it's a good bike, I was going to start my offer at $10K and see how he reacts. Used that approach with the BMW and was surprised the bloke simply accepted my first offer.

So here goes........

If you allow me to purchase another motorcycle then I would be willing to consider [insert something girlie in here] in exchange.

So what can I offer up?

I just bought an 07 S4RS with only 1,200 miles on it for $11,000. She came with full Zard exhaust system, Woodcraft rearsets, and other CF after market stuff.
I told my wife this was much better investment than Facebook stocks.

This is a stock bike with 7K on it.

Maybe I should offer less than $10K

How tight is the market?

Or if Supperduc's purchase was in the States, perhaps you would be looking $22k ... as they seem to be able to get their bikes for half the price of ours.

Good point...........so what's a good price.

I know of a 1198S for sale with only 5000Km and everything bling you can think of, including termi's, ECU etc and he can't get anyone to stump up $21K.

He just bought a Panigale and needs to get rid of the 1198S!

Oops, I totally forgot that this is a worldly forum ;D. Yes, I bought mine in the States -- land of the free but not debt free.

Hmn you've already covered everything I was going to suggest.

More horses and more time without you to play with the horses  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

You might just have to buy the neighbour out for the land expansion.  [thumbsup]

Yep, that would be the answer but do I really have to kill every neighbour just to get a new bike?

I guess it's a small price to pay.....................better watch a couple of episodes of "Criminal Minds" to get in the mood  :)

And when you're done with your neighbours mine give me the shits so feel free.

Hey mate

As a point of reference, I just paid a deposit on an 06 rs for 12k. Bike has just under 7000km, with termi's, ecu etc. Most are over priced on bikesales and sit there for months as a result. Lots of room for improvement on the price, especially for a stocker....

Good luck!

Here's a little letter for the missus that might help. I reckon we can all sign it, and that's sure to sway her. Please add yer 2c and then sign the bottom.

Dear MonsterDorf's missus,

We the undersigned members of the Ducati Oz Monsters forum, being friends and associates of MonsterDorf, hereby provide assurances that, as a really top bloke and all-round good sort, MonsterDorf is most deserving of a Ducati S4RS. It would clearly make him grin like an idiot for months, and is the next logical progression for him bikewise. We feel that on the basis that you can never own too many bikes, there should be no need for him to sell any other bike due to this purchase.

Yours sincerely,

suzyj

Nice one Suzyj.   [thumbsup]

just buy it, it's easier to ask forgiveness than beg for permission.
get your balls out of her purse while you're in there getting the bank book too. [cheeky]

Yeh, yeh.

Went and had a look and it a beauty; a clean and well maintained virgin.

He seemed unwilling to negotiate on price but kept on telling me he needed the money as he'd lost a lot on shares.

He recons he has someone interested in Sydney but that might just be trying to gain some power in the negotiation.

I'll give him a call tomorrow and tell him to give me a ring if he wants to talk turkey. I'll let him know I have the $$ sitting in my account and can pay cash on pick-up.

$16K seems a lot for a "stocker". According to Red Book that's "top dollar" so I'm more inclined to be at the other end of the spectrum, as you might suspect.

If he rings I'll offer $10K cash and pick up same day. No harm in trying  :)

it has the testastretta engine which is nice, and the fact it's stock is good from the viewpoint that it hasn't been messed with. on the downside if you decide to put an exhaust it's more difficult to tune unless you get a DP kit with the ecu. i'd say 13.5k if it's as tidy as you say, 10k? if he was going to take that it would have been snapped up by a shop already.
good luck though.
must get a ride in one day soon hey mick?????

oh yeah, once you buy it, the S2R will become an ornament so start writing the ad now [Dolph]

for bikes like that where the guy is dreaming

you can say something like this

look i know this might sound like an insult as its well under what you are asking but i am prepared to pay $x

if you dont have any luck selling then give me a call and i'll take it for $x

you would be surprised how many times people get sick of the timewasters or the wife nags in his ear
and you get that call

if you dont then no harm

works quite well for people going overseas , getting married or buying houses

Agreed.

I was going to use the "If you, then I" approach. Something like this:

Subject to a QLD roadworthy and REVs check I am willing to offer $XX to be paid in cash on pick up. I can pick up any time this week if the offer is accepted.

I'll then tell him I'm looking at other bikes but would be willing to hold off until he has had some time to mull it over with the missus!

I'm not desperate for a bike (I have 3 in the garage) but if I can get it at the right price then it would be a nice addition. Plan is to swap over some of the bling off the S2R then sell it to a good home. I, however, wouldn't be in a rush and could see how it goes.

That would get me a reasonably blinged up S4Rs for a couple of grand change over.

Worst case I get an Ohlins or Wilbers for the S2R and redo the front forks to suit my weight (and perhaps lose some of that if I can).

Offer...........rejected.

Ah well, nothing ventured nothing gained  :)

So....how much do you want for the S2R then?  [thumbsup]

Well if I had the replacement then I'd have something to sell but alas..............

well give him a fair price for it ya tightarse!

Agreed, when selling up everything before taking off....I got so f@&$king annoyed of people offering half of what items were worth... I understand everyone is after a bargain, however also remember how annoying you are being....

I sold my S4RS.... With a repairable write off badge for much more than your $10k offer...yes it took 3-4 weeks to sell, in the middle of winter.....

Had many other items that people offered half or 3/4 of the price...ended up selling many for more than I actually paid for them on Flea Bay


I'll give you $3k for your S2R.....cash... Give me a call  ;D

Well said Shayne, I bet you enjoyed that mate..........!
Whoever bought your bike got a dam good machine. If you put a price on an item, thats it i feel.....sorta reminds me of the vultures waiting for their prey to die.
 Enjoy your trip, am sure you will. and PLEASE keep us posted with photos along the way. Definately a new thread is needed for that i say....... [thumbsup]

Yeah its gotta be better than that goose prattling on about Italy.

Agreed if some clown wastes your time getting you to take photos of particular parts, then follows with endless questions before making an appointment and showing up an hour late (if at all) and at the end of all that offers you a ridiculous amount that pisses me right off (been through it twice before).

Also been stuck with something of value that I didn't even get an offer on and I would have pretty much given it away to a good bloke (or shelia) that would have made use of it. Better to receive an offer straight up and refuse than be stuck with gear and no-one even making the call. Sometimes.

Well are you guys saying you'll pay me top dollar for my S2R?

If that's the case I can offer the guy the $16000 he wants, but talk is cheap.

My current offer is $12000 cash right now no strings attached. I took one look at the bike and offered him a bunch of advise given he had no idea. Some of the "tyre kickers" are asking for compression checks or wanting to pay with PayPal etc. He knows I appreciate the bike and would look after it. I made two offers and then left him my No. and did suggest I'd be willing to talk.

Unfortunately I haven't got an endless supply of $$ and was valuing my 2006 S2R at $8000. That's for a bike that has everything carbon (shift tech), big brakes, all the Rizoma bits you can mention, Ducati ECU, full Remus exaust, RAM tubes & KN pods, quick release rear sprocket, fender eliminator, custom handlebars and more. Have all the original parts and was going to throw in the ECU tuning software to boot.

So again, talk is cheap!

Anyone happy to give me $12K cash for my bike I'd be happy paying the dude in Toowoomba $16K for a stock bike that'll need thousands to get back to the same state.

So who's up for it?

that's kinda apples and oranges mick, for a start, it's generally acknowledged that the extra fruit doesn't add value, it may or may not make it more desirable to the buyer but there's no guarantees, the guy is asking 16, if he hangs on he may get it, 14 would get it sold a lot quicker and is at the low end for that bike. you suggest 12 for yours as a high mark but really, 8 is on the mark for an 800, a mate just traded his s2r 1000 for 10.5 but the changeover figure meant he really only got about 8.5.
It's a buyers market for sure, and not much is moving at the moment so i don't blame you for lowballing the guy, who knows, you may have gotten lucky, and to be fair, you may get it at 12 in a couple of weeks, but i still reckon you should figure out what the suspension mods on the S2R will cost and add that to your offer, cause if you really want a new bike continuing to mod the one you have is just throwing it away

I already have. Let's face it it might be a while before I can sell the 800 so need to ensure I don't go broke in between. I'm not a fan of borrowing money for a depreciating asset so either I get the bike for the cash I have or simply walk away. There will always be another and this is simply an opportunity. I still have the Kwaka to restore and that should take my mind off the bike for a while. Who knows perhaps I could get a good trade in on a S1000RR?

see now you're just being silly

I just picked up an outstanding Tricolore with 8500 on the clock, all maintenance done,  new tires,  full Term, tank revision, all original parts,  and ducumentation up the wazoo for 8500 USD.

The market is yours if you have the knowledge and cash.

Black Book says auction wholesale on it is 9900.

Bj

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"Yes."


There was a used Tricolore for sale when i bought my 696...i think it was like $11,500...Ive been kicking myself NON STOP since the day I convinced myself I wanted to start with the 696...

the market is a wee bit different here to the US bj.

*cough* Australian Thread *cough*

There's a point there. For $8500, you could afford to buy the bike in the US, ship it here, then buy an old M400 or something on ebay for the frame, and swap the 400 bits with vin numbers to the S4, and still be ahead.

Bonus points for swapping engine numbers so you can still register/insure it as a 400 lams bike.

In the US we call that fraud.  That being said, my Jeep is a 1979 with the body from a 1995 wrangler...and the numbers match.  ;D

it's all tongue in cheek mate no need to call the FBI

And draw suspicion to myself too??  I wouldnt dream of it!  [cheeky]  Since the title on the jeep is expired I had to have a local black and white stop and "verify the vin"  I was a little edgy, but hes like "YEP! LOOKS GOOD TO ME!"

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how does the title "expire"???

its a yank thing

and here we think we jump through some hoops with registration

we have nothing on the americans