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Title: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: zooom on July 13, 2012, 06:06:22 AM
FP1

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:48.131
2 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.649
3 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.877
4 Nicky Hayden Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:48.981
5 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:49.023
6 Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:49.038
7 Valentino Rossi Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:49.074
8 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team Ducati GP12 1:49.166
9 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:49.398
10 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda MotoGP Honda RC213V 1:49.438
11 Alvaro Bautista Honda Gresini Honda RC213V 1:49.688
12 Randy De Puniet Aspar Team MotoGP ART 1:50.949
13 Aleix Esparago Aspar Team MotoGP ART 1:51.101
14 Mattia Pasini Speedmaster ART 1:51.253
15 Michele Pirro Honda Gresini FTR 1:51.835
16 Yonny Hernandez BQR BQR-FTR 1:51.973
17 Colin Edwards Forward Racing Suter 1:52.154
18 Danilo Petrucci Ioda Racing Project Ioda 1:52.952
19 James Ellison Paul Bird Racing ART 1:53.390
20 Ivan Silva BQR BQR-FTR 1:53.931

FP2

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:48.076
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.107
3 Nicky Hayden Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:48.157
4 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team Ducati GP12 1:48.254
5 Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:48.308
6 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.527
7 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:48.540
8 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:48.650
9 Valentino Rossi Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:49.017
10 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda MotoGP Honda RC213V 1:49.022
11 Alvaro Bautista Honda Gresini Honda RC213V 1:49.208
12 Aleix Esparago Aspar Team MotoGP ART 1:50.015
13 Randy De Puniet Aspar Team MotoGP ART 1:50.269
14 Michele Pirro Honda Gresini FTR 1:51.130
15 Yonny Hernandez BQR BQR-FTR 1:51.322
16 Mattia Pasini Speedmaster ART 1:51.384
17 Colin Edwards Forward Racing Suter 1:51.857
18 James Ellison Paul Bird Racing ART 1:51.966
19 Danilo Petrucci Ioda Racing Project Ioda 1:52.109
20 Ivan Silva BQR BQR-FTR 1:52.558


Up to this point Rossi's team had been holding out pitboard signs with a tricycle on them when Hector Barbera was behind Rossi. Probably not any more. 


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Raux on July 13, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
I think Hayden is trying to prove a point!



Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Spidey on July 13, 2012, 10:30:29 AM
I think Hayden is trying to prove a point!

It was a one-off lap with a soft tire.  His "hard" tire pace is a second slower.  Rossi didn't run a soft today.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: thought on July 13, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
It was a one-off lap with a soft tire.  His "hard" tire pace is a second slower.  Rossi didn't run a soft today.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/motogp-summary-thursday-italian-gp-2012/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/motogp-summary-thursday-italian-gp-2012/)

They had been told that they would not be allowed to race the softer of the two original compounds, Stoner said. They would be able to race the harder of the two original compounds, but not without putting in at least half race distance consecutively, at race pace on one of the hard rear tires first. That tire would then be cut open and examined for damage, and if none was found, then the rider would be allowed to select that option as a race tire.

The new construction is the only tire the riders will be allowed to race without having to justify their choice first. “It’s a strange situation,” Stoner said. “It seems like we will only have one choice of tire for the race if the weather is hot. I don’t really understand the situation.”

is that why he ran the hard only today?


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Grrrly on July 14, 2012, 05:36:57 AM
I think Hayden is trying to prove a point!

 [thumbsup]  does look this way!


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Raux on July 14, 2012, 07:18:46 AM
I think Hayden and Barbera BOTH proved a point in qualifying.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: MadDuck on July 14, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
Front row --- Pedrosa --- Lorenzo --- Barbera

Second row --- Hayden --- Stoner --- Crutchlow

Third row --- Dovizioso --- Bradl --- Spies


Ought to be a hell of a start at least.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: El Matador on July 15, 2012, 07:56:25 AM
Just got back to the hotel from the Race. It was awesome.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on July 15, 2012, 02:14:53 PM
The race was over on the first few turns. Bradl's move might have cost Nicky more than the 4th place.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 15, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Moto 2 was crazy.. like seriously just all out mayhem.. like always  [bow_down]

Good race by Nicky regardless of whether his last drive blew it or not.

Both Nicky and Rossi seemed pretty thrilled to be within a second of the podium...


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: ab on July 16, 2012, 09:41:10 AM
Sad that Hayden lost his place after a great last lap battle with Bradl.  Only to lose it to Rossi and then Cal.

Being Rossi and Dovi fan, glad at the turn out.  Dovi did a great job.  

I like Cal but really tired of hearing whoever is in front of him holding him up.  This time - Rossi!?  Please!

Stoner, I was surprised and sad.  

Ben spies - did he get passed by De-puniet ?  Mechanical problems?

The best part was the celebration by the fans at the track.  The BBC commentator's seemed weirded out by it or what?  I thought it was awesome.  Telle-tubbies. Lol


Any news other than Reposol Honda spot filled?  Any news about other teams?


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: thought on July 16, 2012, 10:23:24 AM
I'd say Rossi's helmet pretty much says 2013 is on a duc.

And I have to say... I'm pretty impressed over how well Bradl is doing on his rookie year.  Makes you look at Bautista and wonder how much longer his spot is safe.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: derby on July 16, 2012, 10:27:24 AM

I like Cal but really tired of hearing whoever is in front of him holding him up.  This time - Rossi!?  Please!


i didn't hear that... i heard "i couldn't get close enough to him to make the pass"...


Ben spies - did he get passed by De-puniet ?  Mechanical problems?


food poisoning and was doing his best to not hurl in his helmet.


The best part was the celebration by the fans at the track.  The BBC commentator's seemed weirded out by it or what?  I thought it was awesome.  Telle-tubbies. Lol


i'm surprised anybody was surprised... the fans do that every year.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on July 16, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
cal also said that passing rossi was a waste of time bc he would have gotten him right back on the straight every time.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: ccm900 on July 16, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
I was pretty pissed about Bradl's move on Hayden. Hayden made a clean pass on him and then he comes and shoves him wide. Anybody else see it this way?


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 16, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
I was pretty pissed about Bradl's move on Hayden. Hayden made a clean pass on him and then he comes and shoves him wide. Anybody else see it this way?

I'd close your eyes next year when Marquez is on the track with the big boys..

It was a shit move by Bradl no doubt


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on July 16, 2012, 03:27:23 PM
I was pretty pissed about Bradl's move on Hayden. Hayden made a clean pass on him and then he comes and shoves him wide. Anybody else see it this way?

no.

I'd close your eyes next year when Marquez is on the track with the big boys..

It was a shit move by Bradl no doubt

i think you guys watched too much 800cc GP racing. 

;D


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: lazylightnin717 on July 16, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
Yeah yeah

When it comes down to it... the shenanigans are part of the reason I enjoy Moto2 so much  8)


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: ab on July 16, 2012, 05:10:30 PM
cal also said that passing rossi was a waste of time bc he would have gotten him right back on the straight every time.

If that was so, then how did Cal pass Hayden at the last stretch?  Is Rossi's bike that much faster than Hayden's?

I'd say Rossi's helmet pretty much says 2013 is on a duc.

.....

I hope that is false.  Please God.

Yeah yeah

When it comes down to it... the shenanigans are part of the reason I enjoy Moto2 so much  8)

Thx to you folks here, I have started watching moto2 and boy was I missing some crazy "shenanigans".  I mean it's scary watching this guys ride that packed in that a small space almost the whole race.  Wow!!


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on July 17, 2012, 10:59:27 AM
If that was so, then how did Cal pass Hayden at the last stretch?  Is Rossi's bike that much faster than Hayden's?

well.. rossi's bike was faster than everyone's that day.  but you might be talking about when nicky got pushed wide - ?  in which case, different issue

I hope that is false.  Please God.

your prayers look to be falling on deaf ears.  all indicators are that he's staying and using the blank check he got from audi to make the bike work.

Thx to you folks here, I have started watching moto2 and boy was I missing some crazy "shenanigans".  I mean it's scary watching this guys ride that packed in that a small space almost the whole race.  Wow!!

then you REALLY need to watch moto3.  esp assen.  holy crap what a race.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on July 17, 2012, 12:11:58 PM
cal on val

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm)


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Raux on July 17, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
cal on val

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm)

that is the perfect way to set yourself up for success with a future teammate.

Maybe Hayden should have done the same instead of constantly out qualifying the doctor.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on July 17, 2012, 01:45:24 PM
cal on val

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120717a.htm)
Where's the 'sucking on an Italian sausage' emoticon? ;D


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Grampa on July 17, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
again.... moto3 is where it's at [Dolph]


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Triple J on July 17, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
I was pretty pissed about Bradl's move on Hayden. Hayden made a clean pass on him and then he comes and shoves him wide. Anybody else see it this way?

Bradl's move was clean, Hayden just got the short end of it. Bummer, as I was excited to see Hayden maybe get 4th. Hayden really doesn't deserve to lose his ride.

Stoner's move late in the race on the other hand (forgot who it was on)... [thumbsdown]

Boring race overall though.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: MadDuck on July 17, 2012, 10:29:20 PM
again.... moto3 is where it's at [Dolph]

Not to forget to mention AMA Daytona class. That's a whole lot of fun racing too!  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: zooom on July 18, 2012, 03:00:47 AM
Stoner's move late in the race on the other hand (forgot who it was on)... [thumbsdown]
 

Bautista...and he "apologized" but Alvaro apparently gave him the finger on the cool down lap for it and he is damn right to do that IMHO....if Alvaro had done that to Casey...we wouldn't have heard the end of it...


Title: Re: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on July 18, 2012, 03:30:29 AM
All were douchebag moves, but also "racing incidents". An article made a good point that if race direction would penalize every pass that involved some rubbing, we would be complaining about how boring the races had become. Plus Moto2 and 3 see tons more contact on a week by week basis.


Title: Re: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: Triple J on July 18, 2012, 07:06:12 AM
All were douchebag moves, but also "racing incidents". An article made a good point that if race direction would penalize every pass that involved some rubbing, we would be complaining about how boring the races had become. Plus Moto2 and 3 see tons more contact on a week by week basis.

Agreed completely.

I was just saying that Bradl's move was clean however you look at it, while Stoner's was an example of a bad move. I don't think Stoner did it on purpose though...he just made a mistake. There isn't a racer on the planet that hasn't made a bad pass by accident.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: zooom on July 18, 2012, 07:26:22 AM
while Stoner's was an example of a bad move. I don't think Stoner did it on purpose though...he just made a mistake. There isn't a racer on the planet that hasn't made a bad pass by accident.

it is simple...Stoner pulled a Simoncelli...he overzealously pushed into a turn to force a pass which could have potentially punted Bautista...


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: thought on July 18, 2012, 07:42:09 AM
it is simple...Stoner pulled a Simoncelli...he overzealously pushed into a turn to force a pass which could have potentially punted Bautista...

My thoughts exactly... though if it were Simo we would have been cheering him on a bit ;)


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: derby on July 18, 2012, 07:55:30 AM
that used to be my favorite thing about watching british superbikes... 75% of the passes were that "overzealous"...

the british world superbike rounds w/ the bsb wildcards were amongst the most entertaining of the year.

the japanese round w/ the (blindingly fast) all japan series wildcards were, as well.


Title: Re: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: DRKWNG on July 18, 2012, 05:05:42 PM
The race was over on the first few turns. Bradl's move might have cost Nicky more than the 4th place.

Bradl's move on Hayden...  I think that situation wouldn't have even developed if Hayden hadn't gotten on the brakes so early coming off the straight like he did.  You could see that he was really closing up, and was set to make a nice pass that probably would have stuck if he would have just kept off the brakes for a touch longer.  I like the guy and all, but who was it that said a while back Hayden lacked that killer instinct? 


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on July 19, 2012, 04:33:34 PM
Bradl's move on Hayden...  I think that situation wouldn't have even developed if Hayden hadn't gotten on the brakes so early coming off the straight like he did.  You could see that he was really closing up, and was set to make a nice pass that probably would have stuck if he would have just kept off the brakes for a touch longer.  I like the guy and all, but who was it that said a while back Hayden lacked that killer instinct? 

That would be me! I will stand behind that comment until he proves otherwise.


Title: Re: 2012 MotoGP Round 9-Mugello (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on July 20, 2012, 06:08:14 AM
That would be me! I will stand behind that comment until he proves otherwise.

wish i could recall which race it was this year (catalunya?  silverstone?) where nicky was a new nicky for the first 6 laps, until his rear tire disappeared.  that was not measured, sit back and wait nicky. 
 


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