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Hi All

Want a Ti or superduper alloy axle for your Monster?

REAR AXLE: Just letting you all know that I have sent an axle from a 900 Monster with alloy swingarm to Monsterlover (Kevin) at South Morgan Technologies. Looking to have Ti or the latest alloy axles made. If you have a 900 Monster with alloy swingarm and want to be in on the production run then you can PM me or Kevin. Kevin said he can do the axle nuts too if you want. The more the better for all of us including Kevin.

Will have an initial price soon to give you a ballpark figure.
FRONT AXLE: I also sent an M900 17mm front axle to him if anyone wants a Ti or alloy copy made. That is the ancient Monster axle, so f you want a later type axle then Kevin will need a sample sent to him.

Kevin is a sponsor and member. Payments are straight to Kevin, I'm not a middleman and don't get a cut. I just want a reliable supplier of quality machined parts and have it on good authority that he is just that.

Cheers
Tony

Get your fancy axles here!
Join the production run.
Craftsmanship, ladies and gentlemen. ;D

Mmm? What's the details? I've got a '00 900

 If its an alloy swingarm with the gold adjustment plates then it matches. The front of course is another matter. Theres no reason he cant help you there if he gets a sample.
Kevin is waiting for enough orders to do a production run. He is getting a price on different materials.  Pm him or myself if you like.

Alloy? It's the Aluminum swinger on the S - vs steel. Though I don't thing the axles are different - just the side plates.

Regarding the REAR axle - I've been researching this while talking with Tony and Kevin about the project; I have both aluminum and steel swingarms in hand for measurement; the following may be useful:

Starting with the given that this is for 17mm diameter axle models ....

The inside dimension of the aluminum swingarm (between the 'forks') is the same as steel.  However, the outside dimension is greater on the aluminum arm because of the thicker wall of the 'fork' extrusion in aluminum.

So, the aluminum swingarm has a LONGER axle than the steel model to account for this.  An axle for the steel swingarm is not long enough to properly capture the nuts if used on an aluminum arm; an axle for the aluminum swingarm is too long in the unthreaded section to allow the nuts to grip on a steel swingarm.

I believe that the Ducati Part Number for the axle that Kevin is replicating is 81910241A.

HTH  [thumbsup]

Good to know!

Kevin or Tony - any update on materials/pricing ?

Glad you reminded me. I'm working second shift this week. Ill measure that axle now and email fo a quote on material.

So, if I have this right, 2 of you want rear axles and one of you wants the bastard sized front axle?

I got the rear measured up.  The center hole was drilled during the manufacturing process and they drilled it half way from each end.  The holes do not line up [laugh]

I would like to use tubing if possible as it would save a lot of money in tooling.  A good drill to do that right is probably $400.  I could use a cheap hss drill but then you get a crappy hole that doesn't necessarily go straight.

** on second thought, I don't like the tubing idea as much.  Looks like 3al-2.5v is easy to get in tubing, but it's not nearly as strong as 6al-4v, which I can get in a solid.**

These Ti axles will probably be a lot cheaper than you guys think. . .

Biggest thing right now - How many people are in?  More people = lower cost per piece for material.  Let's just go with a ball park price of $150 shipped as a target (which may change up or down some)

I'll have a rear axle and a Jurassic front axle please :D

So far we have interest from carbmon, SP, junior varsity, BastardHK and myself. I'll see if a mate also wants a Jurassic front.

Who wants to confirm firm orders?

Price smashes TPO
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Per email to Kevin, I'm just waiting for unthreaded & total length for the rear to confirm it fits my swingarm.  If that's right for me I'll commit  [thumbsup]

Then I've got to ask the price for the matching flange nuts, drilled for safety wire per race tech rules?

Make that two Jurassic fronts, one Monster rear and an SS/Superlight rear!

Wish I had a spare $150 laying around.

My bike is set up with the silly front axle too.

I got no cash for it, business card. It's a legit business expense! Gotta showcase the product of my new supplier! ;D

OK, confirm me for a '95-'96 Monster al swingarm rear axle.

Kinda hate to put TPO nuts on Kevin's axle ... How 'bout it, Kevin ... Got nuts?  ;D

Ill make em

Then I'm IN for the whole shebang  [thumbsup]

Thanks to you and Tony for making this happen!

Is only one safety wire hole ok or does it need all 6?

They're a pita is why I ask...

Only one corner is perfect

A PITA in steel I know well, I've never tried Ti, that's why I'm asking you to do it

Can you make a flat spot & drill the hole before you machine the hex so you're not fighting the 'slippery slope'?

That's an even more difficult method. Instead of maybe .1" to get through you have way more.

Ill machine the hex in the lathe.  After that's done I can take a small endmill to make a pit to start the drill into.

I've used this method before and it works pretty well :)

For anyone that cares here are the measurements of the axle Tony sent me (or had sent to me)

All these numbers are american numbers.  If you want overseas numbers multiply them by 25.4.

OD is .664-.665  Will try to hold this +/-.001"
OAL is 13.225
Thread is M16x1.5 x .645" long
ID is .345 through.  I'll get this as close as I can but it may be larger or smaller.

Also, just for the record this is taking me forever to progress on because the shop is slammed and I'm working second shift for a bit to help keep things moving along.  The upside is that the lathe I will use for nuts and axles will (cross fingers) open up in 7-10 days or so.

Thanks for everyone's patience.

Preliminary numbers on the axles:

If I do only 3 of them Im at $195 shipped to the lower 48.

If I do 6 of them, I can come in at $155 shipped.

I haven't had time to run the nuts through the quote spread sheet yet but consider those as free shipping if you get them along with an axle since they weigh almost nothing and certainly would fit in the package.

I did the nuts.

To even match TPO's price of $40ea I need to make and sell 20 of them.

Or find a cheaper source of Titanium [laugh]

I'll try and source some 7068 alumium and we'll see how the pricing changes and then you all can vote what you want this stuff made from.

Im in for 1Monster rear, 2 jurassic Monster fronts and 1 92 Superlight rear (when we can organise it). I'll check all the measurements on my bike.

Kevin, I know you are trying but at $40/set of 2 I'll have to go with TPO for the nuts.

Not sure how the different axles 'ordered' count toward the best price break ... with what has been posted so far are you at 2, 4 or 5 against the 6 needed for the $155 price?

If I count all the guys showing interest, including a customer of mine who wants a set for his SS/SL, I make it 5 rear axles so far and 2 front. We'll get there.

Kevin, Have you tried titaniumjoe.com for material? I need to get with you sometime to get a quote for Ti necks for frames. I also have a contact in Russia for material but haven't got prices yet.

Yeah, I used t.Joe's website for pricing.

Glad I found this thread before it went to far.  (I've been away for work, with little or no interweb)

I'm in for early monster front and Ally swingarm rear...   [thumbsup]

I'll inquire about some parts when the edger kids settle down and my funds loosen up.

 Hey guys
I suggest everyone pm and email Monsterlover with their orders. You can cc me if you like. This is gettin' exciting!

I think i am really late to the show.


really late.   but i want in, i think.

Can somebody let me know where we are at - options / pricing / versions?


I know there are no fewer than four (4) 17mm rear axles:
- Monster Aluminum Swingarm
- Monster Steel Swingarm
- Supersport Aluminum Swingarm
- Supersport Steel Swingarm

There's only one swingarm pivot for that era Monsters.

I'm interested in (hopefully, budget pending) to obtain 3 complete sets of:
17mm Rear Axle (Monster Aluminum Swingarm type) + Swingarm Pivot

To purchase, I require the rear axle to be hollow (gun-drilled) so I can run rear axle sliders - some of the axles for the steel-swingarm monsters were not drilled completely through - my OEM axle for the aluminum swingarms was drilled through, but had a burr in the center that needed to be removed (quick/easy).

Preferences to order: I would like to have the titanium parts TiN or DLC coated (or hard ano'd), if possible.   I would like the rear axle to be titanium or 7068/7075 alu.  I would like the swingarm pivot to be titanium with same external and internal dimensions as the OEM piece (so I can put the plugs back in there - plastic ones or the purty STM billet ones).

I'm definitely "in" for one axle at this time, possibly two, best case scenario three.  same would go for swingarm pivots.

i should note i need no front axles at this time - I've got 916/748, 996, 998, and 1098 forks on my bikes - so 3 "SBK hollow style" and one 848/1098/1198 axles - several are OEM and I have two of the TPO axles. I like the TPO Parts 7068 front axles on the 998 forks and 1098 forks quite a lot.  Ultra light.  Haven't ovaled on me yet (fingers crossed).


I'm just in for the Ti rear axles (at least one, probably two, maybe 3); and Ti swingarm pivots (at least 1-2, probably 3) for 1993-2001 Monster 900's with Aluminum Swingarms (whether you call that an S-model or parts-bin-special - its the slightly longer 17mm rear axle that's been gun-drilled and you can fit RhinoMoto rear axle sliders on it).   It all depends on the price as to whether I definitely do 1 or 2 complete sets, the third set is a bit up in the air as I still have the Febur SSS kit for one of the bikes, but haven't gotten around to getting a replacement adjustable ride-height rod (or to unfreeze mine), or to get proper exhaust for it (either fabbed or ... well, probably fabbed)

Pm Kevin (ML} with any definite orders. It was $155 if he got orders for 6 rear axles in Ti at last check. If you want two, then we have six (not counting my mate who wants a SS/SL rear axle). Kevin is also investigatng the fancy alloy version for cost comparison
and working on a price for the Jurassic front version (only 3 ordered).

At this point I think I'm just going to look at doing the rear axles.

I have not had any time to sit and look at the front much, but the thing that stands out right off is I don't have a great way to create the internal hex.  I could buy a broach but that raises part prices and because of the size of the hex it's hard on the machinery  (which I need to last)

I don't see a lot of interest in axle nuts so Im going to skip those (unless that causes outrage [laugh] ) as I don't think I can really be competitive with TPO.  Id need too many orders to get the price down.

I don't have any problem doing variants of the 17mm rear axle as far as length or diameter alterations as long as it can all come out of the same size raw stock (btw, Ti for the nuts was like $8 an inch!)  I would need a part physically here to take dimensions off of.

Re: gun drilling the axles mentioned in J.V.s post, my plan was to drill them here half way from each side the same way ducati did it.  I could send them out for drilling but, again, it raises the cost.

if it'll work, that's cool with me - just need to be able to run axle sliders on it (to protect the ol' "investment")

Should work :)

I'm happy for the front to have a normal protuding bolt end if that makes it easier. Must be an Aussie thing with that Jurassic axle [laugh].

I suppose I could mill an 15 or 16mm hex on there.

Cool. If Monsta is happy with that. My mate Luke wants one also.

yeah, sound ok to me...
maybe you could shove a ball nose cutter into the ends to make it dished, rather than just faced off square?
might make it look a bit less plain...

Could do that or a convex radius

Or machine it to a point [evil]

Spinners... ;)

Bling :D

Shiny stuff? :D
(Maybe Doug Lofgren's "varmit theory" is true)? 8)

bump for a status check on this project (I know Kevin and his machines are busy, just wondering if he's got a target for production or a better idea of the commitments/first-batch pricing yet)

.... patiently waiting, but anxious nonetheless   [coffee]

ok. definitely in for two.  


would love to know if its possible to get 'em DLC or TiN coated.  why? because reasons.

The machine these will go on is very light in October.  Perhaps even before that.


If I had to guess, I'd think TiN would come in around and extra $100 ea with shipping.  I know a coater about 2 hours from here.  I don't think they can do DLC (diamond like coating, right?)  DLC would be more than TiN

If you have to have it coated, I'll look into it for you.  Let me know.  Also, I don't think the TiN they do is like what you see on fancy forks (all shiny and what not)  TiN is sort of a dull yellow/ gold.  Kinda ugly, really.  So if that's what you want, I don't know if I can help with it.

As far as who wants an axle, add your name to the list below.  This is for 17mm rears only at the moment and for folks that are for sure in on the deal.

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JV:As I recall you're at AMS?  If you don't have a DFW area metal finisher you like, maybe the guys at CMT in Round Rock near Austin (http://www.cmtfinishing.com/) can help you out with your plating / coating requirements.

Any chance you can make it to the CMRA races at Eagles Canyon Sep 29-30?  Drop me a PM and I'll sign you up for free gate entry as my guest, then you can come by Racer Registration and we'll finally meet  [beer]

I can't modify to add to your post, so copied here ....

FROM KEVIN/Monsterlover: As far as who wants an axle, add your name to the list below.  This is for 17mm rears only at the moment and for folks that are for sure in on the deal.

1. Carbmon (Alan in TX) you have my contact info via email; firm commit for 1 to fit Al M900 swingarm
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DFW is a bit of a trip from NW PA ;)

Sorry, that was for JV, I'm pretty sure he's in Dallas still?

But hey, Kevin, if you can make it to any CMRA event let me know and I'll definitely get you the pass  (http://www.cmraracing.com)  [thumbsup]

:D

ah, no longer in DFW (was there for just 3-4 years).    Currently a patent attorney in scenic nashville, tennessee (home town)

No big deal on TiN / DLC - though I think I've heard DLC is easier/cheaper to do than TiN when I was researching this a couple of years ago, not sure who I had talked to though - I could always look it up again (but its not that big o' deal).  DLC is pretty sexy with it being all black and stuff.

FROM KEVIN/Monsterlover: As far as who wants an axle, add your name to the list below.  This is for 17mm rears only at the moment and for folks that are for sure in on the deal.

1. Carbmon (Alan in TX) you have my contact info via email; firm commit for 1 to fit Al M900 swingarm
2. JV - committed two (2) 17mm Al M900/M900S swingarm
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FROM KEVIN/Monsterlover: As far as who wants an axle, add your name to the list below.  This is for 17mm rears only at the moment and for folks that are for sure in on the deal.

1. Carbmon (Alan in TX) you have my contact info via email; firm commit for 1 to fit Al M900 swingarm
2. JV - committed two (2) 17mm Al M900/M900S swingarm
3. Koko- (1) 17mm Al M900/M900S swingarm
                  (1) 17mm Al SS/SL swingarm , (will confirm measurements).

FROM KEVIN/Monsterlover: As far as who wants an axle, add your name to the list below.  This is for 17mm rears only at the moment and for folks that are for sure in on the deal.

1. Carbmon (Alan in TX) you have my contact info via email; firm commit for 1 to fit Al M900 swingarm
2. JV - committed two (2) 17mm Al M900/M900S swingarm
3. Koko- (1) 17mm Al M900/M900S swingarm
                  (1) 17mm Al SS/SL swingarm , (will confirm measurements).
4. monsta - one (1) 17mm Ally swinger M900

Woo Hoo - lookin' good for the quantity price break   [thumbsup]   [thumbsup]

Ok guys.
Ready to confirm orders and organize payment to Kevin? He's approaching a point
where he can do our job lot.
Kevin, how do you want to proceed?

I'm still in...   [thumbsup]

Is this still on?  Are the rear axles going to be drilled thru (hollow)?  Need the provisions for swingarm sliders.

Same here

Yes, but Kevin was flat out. He's in a position to fit our job in soon,  I checked in on his machine shop thread.
The rear axles will be drilled.

i'm still in. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but this list is accurate?  COP TZR if you want in add your name.  Koko - need you to confirm that SS/SL sizing is the same as the Monster axle or just go with the Monster axle.

Things are definitely busy at the shop.  I've been quoting a ton of stuff lately and I don't think they're all going to be dead end quotes, which is nice.  These axles will get fit in as we can do them.  I don't have any gaging to check the threads with other than wires and the oem ducati axle nut.  Between those two the fit should be fine.

What are you guys using for swingarm sliders?  I want some.

Everyone who wants a 17mm ti rear axle for alloy swingarm M900  can confirm on this thread and get your money ready. Kevin will need firm numbers and payment when he is ready to proceed.

Well, here's where I'm at.

I'm an idiot.  The drill I wanted for these is obsolete and there are no more.  I used to sell these tools and I liked what this company had because they worked well and were priced right.  I expected maybe $125 for the drill.

It's replacement is in the $450 range.  I can't use it to do these without a major price increase.  I should have checked on this earlier.  I did not expect the old tool to be gone.  [bang]

I can still do them for the $195 but without the through hole.  Alternatively, perhaps I could drill and tap the ends of these axles and we could all collaborate and engineer a method to attach axle sliders with a standard bolt?  I've never used sliders on axles so I have no idea how they attach.

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No worries. These things happen.
 I'm out on the rear axle idea.
I sent you front and rear 17 inchers for templates. So they are there for people who want to order ti versions. I'll get them off you when its all done.
How much for a couple of fronts?
Monsta, still want a Jurassic front?
I'll pm you.

normally the slider threads onto a small rod that goes inside the hole of the axle.  not sure we'd want to thread the inside of the axle as a crash could pull the bolt such that it buggers up the axle itself. 

if we can put 'em on hold for a brief bit, i'd still be good to go on two rears and would bear some of the cost of the drill for having hollow axles on my two axles.   but i'm in the midst of an office move that's only going half-way according to plan

Half way according to plan?  Man, I know how that goes.

I have all the info on the axle, tooling and material stored so we can pick things up whenever

Ah, well, so it goes.

Sorry, Kevin, I'm out.