Let the fun begin [moto] [thumbsup] [moto] [thumbsup]
Thanks! I'm really excited to actually ride some roads! [moto] And get to go for more than 60 feet and have to stop.
Yes, congratulations!
OH TOTAL YIPPEE!!!! [moto] [moto] [moto] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
have fun kyna [moto]
Congrats! [moto] [moto]
Yay!!!!!! Congrats!!! [moto]
That's awesome!! Good for you! Knowing you just passed will give me a boost!
I tried to get into the DMV today to take the written test and (hopefully) get my license...I was 5 minutes too late. Apparently they stop taking people for the written test 1 hour before they close. THAT wasn't on the website. :-[ Oh well, tomorrow at lunch I'll be hanging out at the DMV again.
Quote from: Kyna on June 30, 2008, 04:11:27 PM
I tried to get into the DMV today to take the written test and (hopefully) get my license...I was 5 minutes too late. Apparently they stop taking people for the written test 1 hour before they close. THAT wasn't on the website. :-[ Oh well, tomorrow at lunch I'll be hanging out at the DMV again.
I know that I have a problem rushing through tests and screwing up easy answers. I had to physically stop and take a deep breath after answering a few questions and realizing that I answered wrong.
So remember to relax and breathe.
;D
Quote from: JBubble on June 30, 2008, 06:20:26 PM
I know that I have a problem rushing through tests and screwing up easy answers. I had to physically stop and take a deep breath after answering a few questions and realizing that I answered wrong.
So remember to relax and breathe.
;D
I passed the test today during lunch. I sat there for a while debating between answers on more than one question. I swear not all those question were from information in the Motorcycle manual. 21 out of 25 is a passing score so I'm good to go, but man it's harsh to see immediately that you answered incorrectly. That really is a downer as you go along.
Quote from: Kyna on July 01, 2008, 12:09:19 PM
I passed the test today during lunch. I sat there for a while debating between answers on more than one question. I swear not all those question were from information in the Motorcycle manual. 21 out of 25 is a passing score so I'm good to go, but man it's harsh to see immediately that you answered incorrectly. That really is a downer as you go along.
congrats on your passing score kyna :)
do you remember what questions gave you trouble?
Hm...I remember 3 of them.
1. When riding next to a row of parked cars which poses the greatest hazard?
a. Parked cars pulling away from the curb
b. A car door opening in your path
c. A pedestrian walking out from between two parked cars
I debated between A & B and picked the wrong one. (A was deemed correct)
2. When the front tire goes flat which of the following should you do?
a. Apply the front and back brake and move to the right.
b. Apply the back brake and move to the closest shoulder.
c. Apply the front brake and move to the closest shoulder.
I picked B but A was correct.
3. If you need to perform an emergency stop while in a curve, but do not have time to straighten the bike what should you do?
a. Apply both the front and rear break ....more words
b. Apply the rear brake
c. apply the front brake and lean the bike to the lower side.
I picked B, again A was correct.
hm...looking at this I'm noticing a trend with my answers.
I say the first one was a toss up, but tell me if you know why A is more correct than B. I guessed on the second one. But the third; man I remember over and over in the MSF course being told to NEVER use the front brake while in a lean or your sure to go down.
If anyone can explain why I got that last one wrong I'd appreciate it. Any additional knowledge I can get is appreciated.
i'll take a poke at helping you kyna
question 1
A is correct because the car is the largest object, and poses the biggest hazzard to you.
question 3
A is correct because an emergency stop uses both brakes equally.
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on July 01, 2008, 12:49:45 PM
Question 1
A is correct because the car is the largest object, and poses the biggest hazzard to you.
Which I thought of, but then my overly analytical mind came up with "But a car is likely to be moving slightly slower as it pulls away from a curb than someone flinging open their door." Some how I came up with the end result of haivng less reaction time to a door than to a car pulling out. I admit that I wasn't basing it off of much more than my own rationalizations.
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on July 01, 2008, 12:49:45 PM
question 3
A is correct because an emergency stop uses both brakes equally.
So, even if it hadn't said emergency would I have been right? Or would the question not make sense because no emergency= time to get the bike up-right? I think I might have just answered my own question. BUT generally, no front brake while in a corner right?
I think A is the correct answer to the first question because your normal lane position is in the left wheel track. That would put you too far from the curb for car doors to be a hazard.
You can use your front brake while turning; I do it all the time. You just can't use too much front brake. MSF tries to make things really simple because beginners have enough to handle without trying to master a subtlety such as "How much front brake is too much?" So they tell you not to use it at all. But if you are trying to make an emergency stop, it's far better to overuse the front brake and go down at a lower speed than it is to crash into an object at a higher speed. Even a small reduction of speed means a big reduction in impact forces.
Quote from: Kyna on July 01, 2008, 12:43:14 PM
3. If you need to perform an emergency stop while in a curve, but do not have time to straighten the bike what should you do?
a. Apply both the front and rear break ....more words
I remember over and over in the MSF course being told to NEVER use the front brake while in a lean or your sure to go down.
If anyone can explain why I got that last one wrong I'd appreciate it. Any additional knowledge I can get is appreciated.
You can apply front brake while in a corner, but it is a more advanced technique caller "trailbraking". You definitely don't want to grab the front brake or do any heavy braking...that will cause the front to "wash-out" or "tuck" and down you will go. Trailbraking is more of a technique to stablize the bike and allow it to turn in than to scrub off speed. You very lightly apply brakes prior to turning in and half way through the turn. Many people use one finger to trailbrake.
Anyway, I don't think the MSF or the DMV test is really geared to sport riding techniques, so take some inconsistancies with a grain of salt. That one is kind of a trick questions too...The most important thing to remember (and do) if you are in an emergency situation is "don't panic" and don't "grab" that brake. Apply a little then you can squeeze harder...
For what it's worth, if I was in the situation the test described and did start braking while leaned over, I would not give up on straightening the bike up as soon as possible and then braking hard
Quote from: Kyna on July 01, 2008, 12:43:14 PM
Hm...I remember 3 of them.
1. When riding next to a row of parked cars which poses the greatest hazard?
a. Parked cars pulling away from the curb
b. A car door opening in your path
c. A pedestrian walking out from between two parked cars
I debated between A & B and picked the wrong one. (A was deemed correct)
2. When the front tire goes flat which of the following should you do?
a. Apply the front and back brake and move to the right.
b. Apply the back brake and move to the closest shoulder.
c. Apply the front brake and move to the closest shoulder.
I picked B but A was correct.
3. If you need to perform an emergency stop while in a curve, but do not have time to straighten the bike what should you do?
a. Apply both the front and rear break ....more words
b. Apply the rear brake
c. apply the front brake and lean the bike to the lower side.
I picked B, again A was correct.
hm...looking at this I'm noticing a trend with my answers.
I say the first one was a toss up, but tell me if you know why A is more correct than B. I guessed on the second one. But the third; man I remember over and over in the MSF course being told to NEVER use the front brake while in a lean or your sure to go down.
If anyone can explain why I got that last one wrong I'd appreciate it. Any additional knowledge I can get is appreciated.
I got three questions wrong when I took my test, too! Can't remember which three.... [roll]
Here's some explanations:
On the first one, it does say "greatest" hazard. An entire car moving into your path is easily the worst of the three.... :P
Second:
Breaking with the tire that is flat is in general a bad idea, and best to be avoided. That's the one you have no control with. For an excellent explanation of flat tires and what to do, see here:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185853
Third:
An emergency stop means stop as fast as possible, which means both breaks. As stated above, it
is possible to feather the front in a curve (I do it all the time, something I learned in road biking). If you really need to stop, however, and the bike is leaned, applying more or less equal pressure to front and back will give you the best chance of making it through. The bike will stand up, but you'll be scrubbing speed at the same time, and, as stated previously, less speed is always better if there's a tree in your path. Also, you might just be able to recover enough to lean the bike back over (at your reduced speed) and make it through your turn.
The test is tricky. Some of the questions have answers where there's no "right" answer, just a "best" answer.
But, you passed! Congratulations!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [moto]
Congrats on passing your test - and thanks for sharing the questions. It's interesting to look at again, and I guess it's been a while since I read the booklet, so it's back to the study of theory!!
(I've been having so much fun riding, I forgot about keeping up with the info!)
Thanks ladies! Hopefully these little tidbits help me with my test in a couple of weeks!
I'm going on my first ride on the open road this weekend! I'm so excited. [moto] I live out in a farming community, so at least I won't have much traffic to contend with.
Cool, have fun and let us know how it goes! [moto]
Quote from: Kyna on July 03, 2008, 06:49:55 AM
I'm going on my first ride on the open road this weekend! I'm so excited. [moto] I live out in a farming community, so at least I won't have much traffic to contend with.
you won't have as much traffic, but you will have to deal with wildlife... just as unpredictable...
have fun!