Ducati Monster Forum

I hate that I used such a cliche line for the subject, but I really want this bike, but I'm not on the market to be bamboozled.
Stats:
1/12 Ducati Monster 796
Aftermarket Termi Slip ons with new ECU and Filter Installed
Stock exhaust and ECU come with
800 Miles
Dealer Demo bike.
(Personally, it's my least desired color, Red on Red)
Bottom line price 12,000 OTD

Is that too much?
Is that a great deal?
Is 11k to little to ask for the bike, stock parts and a helmet?  :-\

I appreciate any type of expedient reply, negotiations are underway...

that seems like a lot of money to pay for 1/12th of a bike!

doesn't the bike list for ~10?  so if you figure another 17-1800 for the termis, plus tax, and you figure in the cost of the first service which i would assume has already been done, 12k for it otd doesn't seem like a bad price to me, but I certainly wouldn't call it a steal... but keep in mind i'm pretty sure the saying "don't be gentle with the rental" also applies to demos...

if it's your last choice on color, and you're only saving a couple of hundo, I'd probably just cough up the dough for whatever it is you really want. 

I'm guessing they're not taking 11k with extras thrown in...but it can't hurt to ask

$10,295 if MSRP.  You add up the bits you describe and you are paying full retail on a demo bike.  Are the termi's slip ons with or without ECU?  Either way you can find a better deal IMO.  Most of all DO NOT settle if it's not your favorite color. 

Quoted from the Salesman, "Bike sells for $10295.00.  Out the door with tax, freight, set up and license comes to $11626.00.  In this case, we have the exhaust system (1635.50 + tax and installation = $1923.63) and the first service ($200.00)  So figure $13749 out the door on regular basis.  Now then, figuring in the demo discount ($800) and Dealership discount ($600)  You can ride it home for $12349.00!"

Then he marked it down to 12 even.
It seems practical, but the fairy tale I concocted in my head, the price was much lower...

Muskrat: The new computer was installed with the slip-ons as well as the filter.  And I'd hate to settle on the color, but A a body kit can be purchased and B, I really want that MONSTER! ;D

a body kit for another 600 to 1100?  I'd pass and wait for the right color and price if it were me.  He asked for opinions.....I don't see the deal here especially since he's still another 600 away from getting the color he wants.

Not a good deal, not a bad deal.  If the dealer goes for Muskrat's idea of switching bodywork to something you like the deal sounds better.  Make sure you get the full warranty you are supposed to on a demo, from date of delivery to you.

Crap...
They didn't go for 11...
Now I'm either at upgrades on a used bike or Stock/New bike with the color of my choice...

Damn... I need a money tree.

relax, she'll show up soon enough.  What part of this country are you in so you can elicit the help of forum members?  here's a fine example http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Ducati-Monster-796-105451204 (http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Ducati-Monster-796-105451204)

yeah, that's not a great deal.  It's not even a decent deal.  You should never pay for mods because you'll never get paid for mods when you go to resell it.   

Yet another example http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/mcy/3312237714.html (http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/mcy/3312237714.html)

Thats kinda a rip off. Mods (at least in my experence) do not increase the value of a bike when buying / selling.

Find some similar bikes for sale online with a lower price tag. print out the details and show them to the dealer. Then ask why you should buy their bike.

Good luck with negotiations.

I'm in Michigan.  Between Flint and Detroit.
But I have no problem looking at
Ohio (no white ones)
Indiana (no response)
Illinois (no white)
Pennsylvania (I haven't checked)
Canada... kinda?

I did find a pretty nice black 796 in Ducati Indianapolis (dealer) Used with 6XX miles, first service done, for 9200.  They have yet to respond to my inquiry...

Not trying to sway your decision but have you thought of these?
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/mcd/3235556283.html (http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/mcd/3235556283.html)
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/mcy/3228622266.html (http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/mcy/3228622266.html)

while i'm typically inclined to agree with not paying for mods on a used bike, I think you'd have a hard time convincing a dealer that a basically brand new exhaust doesnt increase the value of a pretty much brand new bike at all... the reality is that those parts, even though slightly used, are certainly not worthless...otherwise you wouldn't see guys selling parts and returning bikes to stock.

no dealer is going to throw 2 grand out just to put termis on a demo...they're on there to help sales guys sell more bikes, and sell more exhausts.


I still don't think 12k out the door is a bad price for that bike...it's just not the bargain the dealer is telling you it is.  You're always going to pay more at a dealer than a private sale...they're running a business, not just selling a machine.

Definitely not a good deal.  I bought my 1100 EVO with 1000 miles and warranty until April of 2014 for 10k.

Those are great options for practically new bikes

http://www.indyducati.com/used_bikes/view.asp?id=418 (http://www.indyducati.com/used_bikes/view.asp?id=418)

Offered 8500, and its a go!
As of Saturday, I'll be official!

nice work  [clap]

congrats!  nice color too and now you have money for some pipes.  [evil]  I'd personally go with someone like Leo Vance or Zard instead of TErmi

Yeah much better deal!  Congrats!

Have them fit a 14T front sprocket to it before you pick it up. Thank me later...  8)

Thanks for the pats on the back... Glad to be in the Monster seat.  Just a little sad it's so late in the season...
Curmudgeon: I hear that gets rid of the lower RPM shutter.  I will send a message out to them and see what they can do.  Its a consignment bike, so I'm not sure they'll do anything to it until they see some dolla dolla bills!  And after a 5 hour drive to get it, I'm not sure how long I'll want to stick around there.  I rather scoot home and  [Dolph]!

Actually, it does a bit more than that! You may find that you need no exhaust mods, unless of course, you like to make noise. The stock cans are not all that quiet by current standards. And without a 14T, you won't see 6th gear very often.

Let them put $100 on a card. I believe that's supposed to be a pretty decent dealer..., and they KNOW you need it.  ;)

If you don't mind me asking curmudgeon, how much (ballpark) is that mod? I'm thinking if I pay for that first, they'll either still sell the bike to me or sell a bike with a free mod...
I guess I'll drop an email and see what happens!

What? You didn't give him a credit card deposit subject to inspection???!!! (I was a high-line car salesman for 40 years before retiring. 8))

The sprocket is ~ $35- and the labor should be at least 1/2 hr. if they are "kind". The chain needs to be re-tensioned to the measurement on the label on the SS swing arm. They need a special tool for that. It will be good to adjust it perfectly now as the chain will have done its initial stretch. I had mine re-adjusted at 900 miles.

Consignment or not, they should be willing to do this for no more than $100 total. Make SURE they use the right one for a 796!!! This is CRITICAL.  http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/52604d15/Chain-Sprocket/52604d15.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/52604d15/Chain-Sprocket/52604d15.html) The Driven Racing part is #1067-525-14T.

Great find.  Glad you got a better color (Black on Red is wayyyy better).

Now is a good time of year to be shopping for a bike-people don't want to store them over the winter.


+1 on the 14T sprocket.  As Curmudgeon said, should be looking about $100 installed.

Glad you found a better deal.

I think it is a good idea to ride a bike before you start modding it. Get some seat time, then decided what you want to change. Not saying it doesn't need a 14T front sprocket (really popular mod for 796), but you should make up your own mind about it.

Now go put some miles on that bike.  ;D

I suppose getting some two-wheel time in would be appropriate before the snow falls. I have all winter to fantasize and plan upgrades and mod.
Detroit: I've just started following your mod thread, and like everyone else, I'm jealous of your shop.  I like the way your bike is shaping up.  Let us all know when you start producing parts!

I agree with Detroit, ride the bike as is before you start changing anything. I changed to a 14 tooth as well, but people are different. I found it to be a "nice" mod, not the greatest thing ever in the world...ever. And it is an easy mod to do yourself if you have ever handled a wrench.

I'm not saying don't do it, but make up your mind yourself. Besides, if you have it changed before YOU ever ride it, you will ALWAYS wonder, "What was this thing like with the 15 tooth?". This way you'll know.

Just my 2 cents.

Mark

Yeah, I'm sure there are some instructions somewhere around here for swapping sprockets. I've held a screw-driver before, so it shouldn't be too hard. ;D

Suggest you listen to the "adults" in the room and get it done by the dealer. 8) http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59841.msg1108237#msg1108237 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=59841.msg1108237#msg1108237)

If you are not careful, you'll bugger up the countershaft if you attempt this change yourself, and you'll need to buy a special tool.

There is no justification for the stock gearing in the U.S. and the stock gearing is there solely for the purpose of passing the EC drive-by noise testing and Euro 3 emissions. Ducati would probably do the lower gearing themselves if they had the choice..., but they don't. Of the 8 Ducatis I've owned, three needed a 14T.

Granted, two teeth up would be better, but expensive. When you replace chain and sprockets at 15K or 22.5K, you can do it "the right way". Failing to do this now will leave you with a bike which shakes horribly in town and you'll almost NEVER get to 6th gear.

Good time to mention I have never been on a 796. There is no substitute for experience, and I have definitely been wrong before. The bike might desperately need a 14T front sprocket.

Something I do know, its going to be cold and snowy in Michigan very shortly. I grew up in Detroit, and I still remember what the weather was like. Your first ride on the bike will be next year if this drags out. Even if the bike feels terrible at low RPMs, you will still be on your new Monster. Doubt you will hate it. You have all winter to do the front sprocket and any other mods you want. Ultimately, you have to make up your own mind about it. [thumbsup]

You should have no trouble doing it yourself if you don't rush through it. These are the only oddball tools needed to swap out the sprocket. Torque wrench is not a bad idea when messing with the final drive / pinch bolts on the swing arm.

Clicky:
Chain adjusting tool.
http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/CH-1/MAINT-TOOLS/CH-1.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/CH-1/MAINT-TOOLS/CH-1.html)

Stand or some way to get your rear wheel off the ground.
http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/F0029-000/MAINT-STAND/F0029-000.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/F0029-000/MAINT-STAND/F0029-000.html)



BTW, glad you like my build thread.  8)