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Title: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on June 29, 2008, 07:15:12 PM
Hey ducatistas!!! 

I want to get frame sliders and found these at a great price on ebay.. what do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140243430015&rd=1

Also found PUIG sliders look:
http://www.everything-but-the-bike.com/shop/store.php?crn=418&rn=796&action=show_detail

Is there a preferred brand? and why?

I thought that the longer the plastic, the more it will protect, is that accurate?

Any recommendations will be appreciated!!!  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: 55Spy on June 30, 2008, 04:09:16 AM
I bought the T-rex ones and had them for oh...about a week and got rid of them.

Not enough od a slider for me to feel like they would do any good.  they are less "obtrusive" looking than the others but it's a payoff
i suppose.

I don't really like the doorknob style it looks hokey to me.

personally I now run the cyclecat sliders and have never heard a bad thing about them after a lowside, some guys don't like how long they are but they work!

Got mine from motowheels.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on June 30, 2008, 07:05:41 AM
I bought the T-rex ones and had them for oh...about a week and got rid of them.

Not enough od a slider for me to feel like they would do any good.  they are less "obtrusive" looking than the others but it's a payoff
i suppose.

I don't really like the doorknob style it looks hokey to me.

personally I now run the cyclecat sliders and have never heard a bad thing about them after a lowside, some guys don't like how long they are but they work!

Got mine from motowheels.

But I wonder, how long do they have to be to protect efficiently? were the Rex's cheap material or you just didn't like the length?


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: corey on June 30, 2008, 10:44:51 AM
These are pretty nice, and more reasonable than others of similar length. They're on my shortlist, that's for sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-02-06-Monster-S2R-S4R-600-620-900-Frame-Sliders_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ35591QQihZ017QQitemZ270243673209QQtcZphoto


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: teddy037.2 on June 30, 2008, 01:02:51 PM
I happen to know that the cyclecats were long enough to not damage anything my bike after a kinda low-speedish highside.

the barend, tip of the stock mirror, and my brake lever has some minor scratches from the asphalt, but everything else was fine.

they are ugly, though... but hey, they work. anything shorter/"cleaner" looking woulda messed up my bars, if not more of the bike.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: somegirl on June 30, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3249.0


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on June 30, 2008, 05:42:15 PM
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3249.0
Bought the motovation sliders.. good price in the middle of the pack! thanks all!


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: pennyrobber on July 01, 2008, 05:43:09 PM
I have had Speedymoto sliders on both of my monsters. The replacement engine bolt on the Speedymoto sliders is meatier than what is provided by some of the other manufactuers out there. Don't know how much of a difference it makes but it makes me feel better at least. They did their job on the old monster so I would recomend them.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: MotoPsycho on July 01, 2008, 09:47:20 PM
+1 on the speedymoto engine bolts. I just hope I never have to see how good they work.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: tangueroHondo on July 01, 2008, 10:21:16 PM
I have T-Rex on and don't have a clue whether or not they work.  They went on easily (05 S2R) and the rod and Derlin bodies are nicely finished. 

A thread on the old forum discussed an opinion that frame sliders on a Monster are a mistake.  If she goes down w/o sliders you'll wreck a gear/clutch case and some bar end stuff (..maybe more, of course).  You can spend moderate $$ and replace these items.  However, if she takes a dump with sliders affixed, the frame will likely bend, perhaps rendering the bike useless, except for the spare parts listing on eBay. 

I can imagine both outcomes being legit.  It will all depend on the forces and vectors at work when the dreaded deed occurs.  Something to think about.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: 55Spy on July 02, 2008, 02:55:58 AM
But I wonder, how long do they have to be to protect efficiently? were the Rex's cheap material or you just didn't like the length?

Materials were fine, they were just short and I saw little benefit in a slow lowside.  IT's really a matter of personal preference and looks.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on July 02, 2008, 08:09:22 AM

A thread on the old forum discussed an opinion that frame sliders on a Monster are a mistake.  If she goes down w/o sliders you'll wreck a gear/clutch case and some bar end stuff (..maybe more, of course).  You can spend moderate $$ and replace these items.  However, if she takes a dump with sliders affixed, the frame will likely bend, perhaps rendering the bike useless, except for the spare parts listing on eBay. 

I can imagine both outcomes being legit.  It will all depend on the forces and vectors at work when the dreaded deed occurs.  Something to think about.

THAT IS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT MAN!! I THOUGHT THAT THE SLIDERS WOULD SNAP OFF IF THEY GET STUCK ON SOMETHING WHILE SLIDING.. THEREFORE PREVENTING STRESSING THE FRAME TOO MUCH... MAYBE WE HAVE TO ASK SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON A CRASH WITH THE FRAME SLIDERS AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS,,


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: XJBaylor on July 02, 2008, 09:52:38 AM
THAT IS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT MAN!! I THOUGHT THAT THE SLIDERS WOULD SNAP OFF IF THEY GET STUCK ON SOMETHING WHILE SLIDING.. THEREFORE PREVENTING STRESSING THE FRAME TOO MUCH... MAYBE WE HAVE TO ASK SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON A CRASH WITH THE FRAME SLIDERS AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS,,

This is just my opinion, but my guess is that generating the forces required for the slider to damage the frame would involve a lowside violent enough that severe damage would likely occur regardless of the use of the frame sliders. Maybe not to the frame, but possibly enough that the bike would be totaled regardless.

Just a though.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: tangueroHondo on July 02, 2008, 11:10:30 AM
...generating the forces required for the slider to damage the frame would involve a lowside violent enough that severe damage would likely occur regardless of the use of the frame sliders. Maybe not to the frame, but possibly enough that the bike would be totaled regardless.

I agree.  I've seen insurance write-off Monsters for resale and some only sustained minor damage, judging from the photos.  However, there must have been a deeper damage issue if the Ins Co. wrote it off.  I suspect that these could have been bent-frame issues that you couldn't pick up from the photo.  Anyway, aren't all sliders on all bikes connected to the frame, either through a fairing or otherwise?


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: junior varsity on July 02, 2008, 12:34:24 PM
I've got the CycleCats. They work well (I know from experience :( )

That being said, it takes nothing to total a Monster - that tank is worth ~$1600, and the stock exhaust is borderline ridiculous in what they 'cost'. And the damage only has to be around 60-70% of the bikes value, depending on your insurer, to be 'totaled'.

That being said, a common practice for a bike owner is to 'buy it out of salvage with a clean title' for about $500 bucks, collect the insurance, and rebuild yourself.

You can get the tank fixed easy: Speedzone Paint & Body (Brad Diez) or DucPainter. After market pipes and bars, etc etc etc...


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: 55Spy on July 03, 2008, 02:37:49 AM
This is just my opinion, but my guess is that generating the forces required for the slider to damage the frame would involve a lowside violent enough that severe damage would likely occur regardless of the use of the frame sliders. Maybe not to the frame, but possibly enough that the bike would be totaled regardless.

Just a though.

Thats another reason I liked the Cyclecats they have the extra sheer piece in them for just that reason. to protect to the point of failure.then fail the part not the total the bike.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: grinningevildeath on July 03, 2008, 10:46:14 PM
t-rex's will not fit a 2000 and below duc. despite what manufacturer claims. bolt supplied is 12mm one on my duc is 10mm. then the aluminum piece before the slider it way too large to fit the recess for the nut. In other word i got some combersome paperweights.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: tangueroHondo on July 04, 2008, 07:21:40 AM
t-rex's will not fit a 2000 and below duc. despite what manufacturer claims. bolt supplied is 12mm one on my duc is 10mm. then the aluminum piece before the slider it way too large to fit the recess for the nut. In other word i got some combersome paperweights.

I had some great customer service with T-Rex - Ask them for a return and refund.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Privateer on July 04, 2008, 01:13:36 PM
That being said, it takes nothing to total a Monster - that tank is worth ~$1600, and the stock exhaust is borderline ridiculous in what they 'cost'. And the damage only has to be around 60-70% of the bikes value, depending on your insurer, to be 'totaled'.

I can echo the easy to total.  I had a rather minor lowside and the insurance wanted to total out at $3800.  I pushed back and they upped the market value and fixed it.

My tank was around $2300, the stock cans are $800 per side.  The rest was pretty minor handlebar/gear shifter stuff.  A couple hundred for frame/bar/axle sliders seems like cheap insurance compared to the hassle of fixing your bike.  Even a minor tip over can end up costing more than the sliders.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on July 04, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
I got the motovation sliders yesterday. I did not install them yet, but I placed the slider to see how it would stick out and they seem short to me. My radiator is at about the same length sticking out to the sides. It looks like it would not protect the radiator because of this.. Before I install them I wanted to know if the cyclecats are longer and if they are available to buy.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: 55Spy on July 05, 2008, 02:34:52 AM
I got the motovation sliders yesterday. I did not install them yet, but I placed the slider to see how it would stick out and they seem short to me. My radiator is at about the same length sticking out to the sides. It looks like it would not protect the radiator because of this.. Before I install them I wanted to know if the cyclecats are longer and if they are available to buy.

I have no FHE with the motovation sliders. So I'm not able to give you any comparo info.

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/mySearchResult.cfm?parentcategoryid=&productID=2087&showDetail=1&categoryID=863|Ducati%20Multistrada%20Misc&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=cyclecat&collection=

Says they have 2 in stock



Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: M900 on July 05, 2008, 05:49:26 AM
A thread on the old forum discussed an opinion that frame sliders on a Monster are a mistake.  If she goes down w/o sliders you'll wreck a gear/clutch case and some bar end stuff (..maybe more, of course).  You can spend moderate $$ and replace these items.  However, if she takes a dump with sliders affixed, the frame will likely bend, perhaps rendering the bike useless, except for the spare parts listing on eBay. 


I thought the sliders were supposed to make your bike slide and prop the parts away from the road...  I think given the construction of most sliders that I've looked at, it seems that if the slider snags and can't slide, the plastic 'puck' will rip off before the frame is bent, if only because the plastic is softer.

The only accident I've been in did not have a slider, so I am only speculating...



Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: teddy037.2 on July 05, 2008, 08:28:32 AM
I got the motovation sliders yesterday. I did not install them yet, but I placed the slider to see how it would stick out and they seem short to me. My radiator is at about the same length sticking out to the sides. It looks like it would not protect the radiator because of this.. Before I install them I wanted to know if the cyclecats are longer and if they are available to buy.

they stick way the make the beast with two backs out. you can even use 'em for highway pegs  [cheeky]

they're long enough to have kept my stock bars/lever/mirror from anything significant at a slide ~25mph. and yes, the bike will slide on them...

crappy pic, but it's the only one I have online of mine (red girly bike in front):
(http://a125.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_7b3715720239d39d84522faaa8617aac.jpg)


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on July 05, 2008, 10:21:40 AM
they stick way the make the beast with two backs out. you can even use 'em for highway pegs  [cheeky]

they're long enough to have kept my stock bars/lever/mirror from anything significant at a slide ~25mph. and yes, the bike will slide on them...

crappy pic, but it's the only one I have online of mine (red girly bike in front):
(http://a125.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_7b3715720239d39d84522faaa8617aac.jpg)
are you referring to the cycle cats?

I looked at the ones for sale but they state that now they have shorter sliders to make them look better.. but less protection..  [bang]


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: teddy037.2 on July 05, 2008, 10:29:37 AM
are you referring to the cycle cats?

I looked at the ones for sale but they state that now they have shorter sliders to make them look better.. but less protection..  [bang]

yep...


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Cucciolo on July 16, 2008, 08:59:08 AM
Speedymoto Sliders are 3'' long and Motovation sliders are 3.5'' long.



Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: tangueroHondo on July 16, 2008, 10:17:33 AM
T-Rex = 3.5" from frame to slider tip.


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Ducnial on July 16, 2008, 05:31:42 PM
Lots of diverse opinions on this topic.  I've got a par of Puigs on an S4R.  They stick out about 4-5/8 from the frame boss.  They are about 1/2 aluminum 1/2 plastic, nylon or Delrin.  They look like they'd shear off if the forces get high enought to tweak the frame.    Personally I think they should shear off in the event of a high speed crash.   I got them mainly for rolling or stationary dink overs, ya know deductble stuff.  They look like they'd protect the motor bits pretty good.   Its questionable how well they would protect the radiator though, depending on the attidude of the bike during a crash.   The other thing to think about is how much blunt trama injury they could cause duing a low side. Ya never know where ya might wind up?

2c



Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: mangeldbug on November 14, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
I have Cycle Cat sliders that came on the bike when I bought it.  They are definitely ugly and bulbous and I was thinking about getting something less obtrusive (like Speedymoto). However, I think after reading this thread I will stick with my ugly CC sliders.  From those who *know*, they say they work.  And that's the point.

And I went and measured mine:
Cycle Cat sliders = 5.5 inches from frame to slider tip


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: cbartlett419 on November 15, 2008, 09:17:02 AM
I've got speedymoto's on my little beauty and they saved me a make the beast with two backsing hassle when I dropped my bike the other day, no nada, I would be been bondoing and painting my tank sans sliders. I think that the flared head is interesting and the quality of parts and over all craft were above standard. I am pleased with my purchase no doubt.

what about making this a poll


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: Mac_48 on November 16, 2008, 12:01:24 AM
Speedymoto

nuff' said


Title: Re: frame sliders comparo
Post by: SikDuc on November 17, 2008, 06:54:40 PM
+1 [thumbsup] Speedymoto


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