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it'll be a rough one.  Ciao, Sic!

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 :'(

FP1

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:01.621
2 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:01.773
3 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 2:01.934
4 Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 2:02.236
5 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 2:02.266
6 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 2:02.358
7 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda MotoGP Honda RC213V 2:02.617
8 Nicky Hayden Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 2:02.754
9 Alvaro Bautista Honda Gresini Honda RC213V 2:02.872
10 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team Ducati GP12 2:03.221
11 Valentino Rossi Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 2:03.274
12 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati GP12 2:04.624
13 Randy De Puniet Aspar Team MotoGP ART 2:05.029
14 Aleix Espargaro Power Electronics Aspar ART 2:05.077
15 Colin Edwards Forward Racing Suter 2:05.387
16 Michele Pirro Honda Gresini FTR 2:06.058
17 James Ellison Paul Bird Racing ART 2:06.452
18 Robbie Rolfo Honda Gresini FTR 2:06.470
19 Yonny Hernandez BQR BQR-FTR 2:07.257

oh my. why not just change motors to the Panigale, and call it a CRT, at least we'd be on top of that heap then.

FP2 - Wet Conditions...

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 22 Ivan SILVA BQR 2'10.602     
2 51 Michele PIRRO FTR 2'12.043 1.441 1.441
3 14 Randy DE PUNIET ART 2'12.046 1.444 0.003
4 84 Roberto ROLFO ART 2'13.216 2.614 1.170
5 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 2'16.143 5.541 2.927
6 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA HONDA 2'17.136 6.534 0.993
7 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 2'17.173 6.571 0.037
8 41 Aleix ESPARGARO ART 2'17.429 6.827 0.256
9 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 2'17.804 7.202 0.375
10 77 James ELLISON ART 2'18.478 7.876 0.674
11 6 Stefan BRADL HONDA 2'19.085 8.483 0.607
Not qualified (Out 107%) 2'19.744
  8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 2'21.113 10.511 2.028
  5 Colin EDWARDS SUTER 2'26.857 16.255 5.744
Not Classified
  1 Casey STONER HONDA       
  4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO YAMAHA       
  9 Danilo PETRUCCI IODA-SUTER       
1 1 Ben SPIES YAMAHA       
2 6 Dani PEDROSA HONDA       
3 5 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA       
6 8 Yonny HERNANDEZ BQR       
9 9 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA   

go dani go, you new honda rider you.

FP3


Pos
 
No.
 
Rider
 
Bike
 
Time
 
Diff
 
Diff Previous
 


1
 
26
 
Dani PEDROSA
 
HONDA
 
2'01.186
 
 
 
 
 


2
 
99
 
Jorge LORENZO
 
YAMAHA
 
2'01.344
 
0.158
 
0.158
 


3
 
1
 
Casey STONER
 
HONDA
 
2'01.693
 
0.507
 
0.349
 


4
 
4
 
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
 
YAMAHA
 
2'01.696
 
0.510
 
0.003
 


5
 
35
 
Cal CRUTCHLOW
 
YAMAHA
 
2'01.995
 
0.809
 
0.299
 


6
 
11
 
Ben SPIES
 
YAMAHA
 
2'02.334
 
1.148
 
0.339
 


7
 
19
 
Alvaro BAUTISTA
 
HONDA
 
2'02.449
 
1.263
 
0.115
 


8
 
69
 
Nicky HAYDEN
 
DUCATI
 
2'02.679
 
1.493
 
0.230
 


9
 
6
 
Stefan BRADL
 
HONDA
 
2'02.821
 
1.635
 
0.142
 


10
 
46
 
Valentino ROSSI
 
DUCATI
 
2'03.083
 
1.897
 
0.262
 


11
 
8
 
Hector BARBERA
 
DUCATI
 
2'03.112
 
1.926
 
0.029
 


12
 
41
 
Aleix ESPARGARO
 
ART
 
2'04.109
 
2.923
 
0.997
 


13
 
17
 
Karel ABRAHAM
 
DUCATI
 
2'04.566
 
3.380
 
0.457
 


14
 
14
 
Randy DE PUNIET
 
ART
 
2'04.962
 
3.776
 
0.396
 


15
 
5
 
Colin EDWARDS
 
SUTER
 
2'05.407
 
4.221
 
0.445
 


16
 
51
 
Michele PIRRO
 
FTR
 
2'05.615
 
4.429
 
0.208
 


17
 
9
 
Danilo PETRUCCI
 
IODA-SUTER
 
2'05.967
 
4.781
 
0.352
 


18
 
77
 
James ELLISON
 
ART
 
2'06.098
 
4.912
 
0.131
 


19
 
84
 
Roberto ROLFO
 
ART
 
2'06.257
 
5.071
 
0.159
 


20
 
22
 
Ivan SILVA
 
BQR
 
2'06.622
 
5.436
 
0.365
 


Not Classified
 


6
 
8
 
Yonny HERNANDEZ
 
BQR
 
 
 
 
 
 

POLE


Pos
 
No.
 
Rider
 
Bike
 
Time
 
Diff
 
Diff Previous
 


1
 
99
 
Jorge LORENZO
 
YAMAHA
 
2'00.334
 
 
 
 
 


2
 
26
 
Dani PEDROSA
 
HONDA
 
2'00.528
 
0.194
 
0.194
 


3
 
4
 
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
 
YAMAHA
 
2'00.567
 
0.233
 
0.039
 


4
 
1
 
Casey STONER
 
HONDA
 
2'00.811
 
0.477
 
0.244
 


5
 
35
 
Cal CRUTCHLOW
 
YAMAHA
 
2'01.178
 
0.844
 
0.367
 


6
 
11
 
Ben SPIES
 
YAMAHA
 
2'01.185
 
0.851
 
0.007
 


7
 
8
 
Hector BARBERA
 
DUCATI
 
2'01.294
 
0.960
 
0.109
 


8
 
6
 
Stefan BRADL
 
HONDA
 
2'01.491
 
1.157
 
0.197
 


9
 
69
 
Nicky HAYDEN
 
DUCATI
 
2'01.526
 
1.192
 
0.035
 


10
 
19
 
Alvaro BAUTISTA
 
HONDA
 
2'01.640
 
1.306
 
0.114
 


11
 
46
 
Valentino ROSSI
 
DUCATI
 
2'01.783
 
1.449
 
0.143
 


12
 
41
 
Aleix ESPARGARO
 
ART
 
2'02.842
 
2.508
 
1.059
 


13
 
14
 
Randy DE PUNIET
 
ART
 
2'03.389
 
3.055
 
0.547
 


14
 
17
 
Karel ABRAHAM
 
DUCATI
 
2'03.774
 
3.440
 
0.385
 


15
 
51
 
Michele PIRRO
 
FTR
 
2'04.152
 
3.818
 
0.378
 


16
 
77
 
James ELLISON
 
ART
 
2'04.515
 
4.181
 
0.363
 


17
 
9
 
Danilo PETRUCCI
 
IODA-SUTER
 
2'04.726
 
4.392
 
0.211
 


18
 
5
 
Colin EDWARDS
 
SUTER
 
2'04.941
 
4.607
 
0.215
 


19
 
84
 
Roberto ROLFO
 
ART
 
2'05.100
 
4.766
 
0.159
 


20
 
22
 
Ivan SILVA
 
BQR
 
2'05.921
 
5.587
 
0.821
 


Not Classified
 


*
 
68
 
Yonny HERNANDEZ
 
BQR
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Just one more lap and Stoner would have gifted Dani much needed points.  Lorenzo almost threw away his championship on that last turn.  Not really any passing, just a bunch of crashing.  Lorenzo's soft tire pick backfired and I somewhat feel he got bailed out because of his team's decision.  He said his back tire was gone at the press conference and his own pace dropping might have played a bit into the calling of the race at the time they did it.

Pedro really missed a chance to close it up tight.

Pos.   Points   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time/Gap
1   25   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   146.8   29'29.049
2   20   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   146.5   +3.774
3   16   1   Casey STONER   AUS   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   146.2   +7.144
4   13   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Ducati Team   Ducati   145.9   +10.518
5   11   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   145.4   +16.759
6   10   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   Honda   145.4   +17.276
7   9   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Pramac Racing Team   Ducati   142.7   +50.282
8   8   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   142.6   +51.585
9   7   77   James ELLISON   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   ART   142.2   +56.676
10   6   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Ducati   142.1   +57.622
11   5   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Came IodaRacing Project   Ioda-Suter   141.7   +1'02.805
12   4   51   Michele PIRRO   ITA   San Carlo Honda Gresini   FTR   141.7   +1'02.891
13   3   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   139.7   +1'28.989
84   Roberto ROLFO   ITA   Speed Master   ART      0 Lap
Not Classified
6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   145.5   2 Laps
35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   145.7   3 Laps
14   Randy DE PUNIET   FRA   Power Electronics Aspar   ART   142.7   3 Laps
22   Ivan SILVA   SPA   Avintia Blusens   BQR   140.8   3 Laps
5   Colin EDWARDS   USA   NGM Mobile Forward Racing   Suter   137.5   3 Laps
11   Ben SPIES   USA   Yamaha Factory Racing   Yamaha   144.8   5 Laps

Am I evil for wanting Whoreghey to take a header in that lap? He wasn't going that fast anyway. If there would have been a restart, would they have allowed them to change tires? In the end, Jorge would have slowed down considerably, but still kept it upright. I wonder how many places he would have lost. Yamaha would have had a fit if race direction would have kept it going.

I hate speedtv. Got, looking forward to watching the race... And they never aired it.  They just replayed motegi.

I don't understand the reasoning behind who does their programming.

SpeedTV DID air the race!
The first 15-20 minutes was replay of Motegi but then they cut to Sepang. I almost deleted the show after seeing they were replaying Motegi, but luckily I fast forwarded it and saw that they did cover the race.

Those bastards... Couldn't even put a little banner on the bottom saying they were airing later?

Mines already deleted :(

Disappointing.

I just read the update. looks like they just handed the championship to Lorenzo by cutting that race short.
He most certainly would have slowed with a bad rear tire and Stoner closing.

dammit.

that also would have put Hayden on the podium

I smell conspiracy.

First off, F-you SpeedTV! 


First I found myself cheering for Pedantic as he passed Loren-dope.  Then Loren-dope almost lost the front end and I found myself cheering, again.  So if you're evil, you have company.  And yes it was at slow speeds. 


What a lame way to win a title. 

+1

I'm sure El Matador will drop in to stroke Jorge's junk for us, but getting beat week after week on the way out isn't my idea of exciting.  He gets out front, Dani passes him, then he says "screw it" and comes in second.  I'm not calling this a Nicky Hayden championship, but its a very lackluster back half of the season for ol' steady eddy.  For a guy with his talent, I expect more fight.  If he can't pull a 10sec gap, then he gives up on winning and lets Dani go.  Pedro let him know the business at Brno and Jorge lost a few hairs on his ballsack ever since.  It would be 5 straight if the bs at Misano doesn't happen.

speed = dildo

but then a dildo is useful to a female



race ...wet wild and wooly

I was so hoping lorenthooooo was going to go ass over teakettle ....nice skate save on his part ....but no way to call yourself world champion  ..hmmm I'm average but just good enough for the title

granted jorge is mr consistent but pedro is within less than a race and there's 2 to go.  george just has to make 1 mistake/get taken out by tricycle boy.


you saw the rain...?  no way could they continue.

I was there at the race,
The way I saw it was that George made a bad tyre choice compared to the others. Danny was off in the distance and Casey was closing fast.
George has a moment then starts flaping his arm to stop the race!  >:(  wanker!
Its was declared a wet race!!  but he wants it stopped because its raining??

By the way,  great event.  [thumbsup]

Moto 2-  great to see our aussie Ant West on the podium. just carved through them in the wet!   [beer]

there's wet and there's unsafe.  not the first time they've had to do that. 

half the field had gone down in the 2 laps prior..

Speed has nothing to do with race conditions or race decisions.  The only thing they messed up was running the coverage of Motegi on the first broadcast.  That didn't show up on the replay broadcast.  They might have missed end of the race because of that but we'll never know.

I don't like Jorge but he is definitely not average.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/286476_10151243787440769_1554837425_o.jpg)

it's just the perception of the event. everyone else crashed out, lost points, etc. Jorge bobbles, complains, they stop the race. why not go back a few laps for the final results then. OH, because Jorge benefits, or why not let it procede a few laps, oh, couldn't do tthat because Jorge might fall.

sucks for Pedrosa

or he's waving his arms bc the stoppage was already overdue by that point.  i'm not much of a jorge fan, but to think they stopped the race because he put his hand up is silly.

what would be the logic for going back a few laps for the results? 

more importantly, remember when dani would get lapped when it rained?  holy most improved rider award.

looks like spies broke something.  headed home, will miss PI.

wasn't just george that felt they should stop

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185359/1/pedrosa_stoner_it_had_to_stop.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185359/1/pedrosa_stoner_it_had_to_stop.html)
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185346/1/stopping_race_was_only_option_says_rossi.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185346/1/stopping_race_was_only_option_says_rossi.html)

I think we can all agree that it was going to eventually be  stopped. The 2 reasons everyone is upset is because of Whoreghey's incessant waving and that he would have needed to either pull in to change the tire or risk falling on his ass. I think another lap would have seen him pit, which would have narrowed his championship lead considerably, forcing him to actually try to win the last races.

Has anyone done the math to see exactly how far Lorenzo needs to finish in the last 2 races to lose the championship?

Derby?

EXACTLY!

i know, i totally get it.  and i can't believe i'm (sorta) arguing for george.  but putting your hand up twice isn't incessant and he was doing it because the race really should have been stopped.  he may be a douche but he was a correct douche at the time.

as for the math, there are many possible combinations.. depends on where pedro finishes, if stoner wins at PI, blah blah.  if pedro got 2nd at PI and jorge got third, the differential would be down to 19.  so then pedro could win at valencia and jorge would only have to finish as high as 9th.  if i'm counting backwards correctly

1st 25 points
2nd 20 points
3rd 16 points
4th 13 points
5th 11 points
6th 10 points
7th 9 points
8th 8 points
9th 7 points
10th 6 points
11th 5 points
12th 4 points
13th 3 points
14th 2 points
15th 1 point

So, if we assume that Dani wins by some miracle both races, that means that Lorenzo only needs to score 28 points in the last 2 races he would need to average 3rd place to win the championship.

If Dani comes in 2nd in PI, then with 45 points, Lorenzo would need only 23 points to clinch, which means average of 4th place. If he comes in 3rd in PI, 9th place in Valencia would win it, like gm mentions above. So best solution would be for Bautista to torpedo him again at Valencia.

logic would seem to indicate that is currently possible.  but i have a hard time not seeing stoner take PI, injured or not
 

Stoner being injured would only mean that he won't win by more than 5 seconds.

Weird. My Directv dvr recording had the Maylasian/Sepang GP on the playlist guide but when I clicked on it to play it just showed me a repeat of the Japanese Motegi MotoGP. [bang] WTF? Our Directv dvr seems to be haunted and the wifely unit keeps ragging on me to call Directv and demand a new one... I thinks it's about time. >:( I won't like losing all the other stuff I have recorded by getting a new one but I think the time has come. [popcorn]

That's why I always record the race twice, allowing an extra hour or so for the live recording.  Speed will generally show it live early in the morning and then on delay later in the day.  I can't tell ya how many times the live version has been messed up b/c of a red flag or something else.

Despite the fact that he bathes in animal feces, George should have thrown up his hand (and the other riders agree).  I've got no problem with it.

I honestly dunno if Stoner will win at PI.  He *should*, but he's fighting with the bike and is still seriously messed up. 

granted it's not free (or, 'free'), but coverage is still far better on motogp.com

stoner, i agree.  but i can't see him not killing himself to do it.  i bet he could give a shit about valencia.

Considering his attitude at the post race conference, he clearly doesn't give a shit about helping Dani win a championship.  Stoner will find a way to win PI or make Dani work very hard for it.  I was hoping he'd say something about almost overtaking Jorge and helping Dani, but he essentially douched on both of them saying he could have won and he's faster than anyone in the wet.

He was probably stating facts in a very douchelike fashion.

Thanks for that heads up. Guess I bailed too soon... luckily I didn't delete it so I will watch it again tonight and fast forward through the Motegi coverage. [thumbsup]

[laugh]   yup.

I use the $ I save on mags with pics of Douchebot's head pasted onto each pictorial.   ;)

in all of this i forgot about 1 very important thing: there's a decent chance that george will have to start one of these last 2 races from pit lane.
 

Yup.  He's basically got two rounds to net an additional 4 points over Pedro without a DNF.

wouldn't that just suck if a motor just let go like Spies at Indy...

he's not Spies, Yamaha would never let that happen

while this is true...he is also almost exhausted his engine alotment....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121017pillion.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121017pillion.htm)

so the choice is either to take a chance that an engine goes kablooey mid race making no points, or getting a new engine and starting at the back of the grid and making points after working his way through the CRT's and a few of the slow prototypes (ie:Satelites and/or Ducs)

he'll take option 2. there's no way that the traffic will stop him from making enough points... well unless someone raises their hand to stop the race before he makes the pass

MAYBE...then there is that level of arrogance that perhaps will keep him from the shameful feeling he'll put on himself of having to start from pitlane....we just never know...

As long as Barbera is on the track, there is nothing safe about coming through the field.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/24/the_engine_situation_will_lorenzo_make_i.html (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/24/the_engine_situation_will_lorenzo_make_i.html)

updated engine allocation  and session info...

So it seems unlikely he will have engine issues. He will still be extra conservative with them, which means that it will be a challenge to stay awake throughout the last 2 races.

Couple of questions re engine use:

1 - I was under the impression that six engines were "sealed" at the start of the season.  But, it sounds like that isn't the case; that engines are brought into service continuously during the season?

2 - One comment in the article indicates Pedro rec'd an engine during the season with upgrades.  Are the upgrades limited to that engine, only, or (if answer to 1, above is "continuously") can upgrades be added to future engines/all engines?

Engines are not "sealed" at the beginning. The teams are limited to using only six. They can continue to develop throughout the year, but that takes away development time from next year's machine.

yup... an easier way to say it is that each rider is limited to six engines which are sealed prior to use.

they can start the season with two sealed engines, get updated engines mid-year, and finish out the year with yet another pair of updated engines.

Which sounds to me like it could come out of the race lab Saturday nite and be in the bike and on the starting line Sunday afternoon....?  That is, it's got to be a "fresh" engine with no previously used parts, and it stays that way for the season?

correct.

Yes.



It can be made from whatever parts, new, used, doesn't matter.
The engine gets 'sealed' by the MotoGP's Technical Director.
It is then 'allocated' when it leaves the pit lane to go out on track.
At that time it's officially deducted from the allocation of 6.
I presume than an engine that grenades in the garage before going out, or on the first trip out on pit lane, wouldn't come out of the allocation.

A rider could start the 1st practice session of the year with 2 engines allocated, and get 4 more 'updated' units one-by-one during the season.

 [thumbsup]