Ducati Monster Forum

Apparently Ducati is now going to be manufacturing (okay, putting together prefabs kits) in Brazil

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2012/10/ducati-brazil-opens-for-business-with-local-manufacturing/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2012/10/ducati-brazil-opens-for-business-with-local-manufacturing/)

basically they disassemble the bike, put it in a box...call it a kit and send it to South America for re-assembly to avoid some of the importation tariffs...pretty common actually...

This is for bikes for sale in Brazil.

The company assembling them will be Ducati, having set up business in Brazil.

Sounds kind of smart to me, especially given Brazil's crazy high import tariffs.

So, there's no way to tell if you have a Brazilian assemble bike  [thumbsdown]

if you live in Brazil, you will have a Brazil-assembled bike.

Again, this is only for hte Brazilian market.

my point: the danger of those floating their way north.

probably won't happen.  i don't think ducati really wants to lower the number of bikes made in bologna.  i think this is more of a response to the crazy tariffs that brazil has on vehicles.

http://www.economist.com/node/21530144 (http://www.economist.com/node/21530144)

Brazil has as much as a 50% tariff on imported vehicles.  This would make your typical Ducati absurdly expensive.  Assembling them in Brazil means they are price competitive and Ducati would rather build them locally than lose all sales.

look...they are doing in Brazil basically the same thing they did for the Far East market a year ago I think it was with the bikes built there like the 795 and so forth....

Exactly and i think it dilutes the brand

i was looking for bmx bikes this weel. i found a diamondback and excited until i saw they are made in china now. 

i feel the same about ducati. they are italian they shoild be made in italy

i wonder about tank issues there. and engine.

Good point.  I read they burn a lot of 100% sugar cane ethanol in vehicles there.  Something like half of their cars run on pure ethanol?  Anyone from Brazil that can chime in?

+1

Not to mention that Brazil's economy is strong.

^^ +2

AFAIK, Harley has been doing that for years in Indonesia (don't they also do that in Brazil?). My sportster was assembled here in Indonesia. Import duty and tax for completely built up vehicles are really expensive. By importing the bike in parts and assemble the parts in the country, the import duty and tax are much lower. At least that's what I've been told.

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Interesting concept ... what makes a Duc a Duc (aside from web-feet)?

Do you agree that many of the recent past and current model designs are driven by consumer preferences from outside Italy?

Do you agree that the execution of those ‘non-Italian market’ designs is rather uniquely 'Ducati-like"?

Does the use of non-Italian components (suspension and electrical components, for example) "dilute the brand"?

Does ownership by a non-Italian parent (Planet Pacific/TPG or Audi, for example) “dilute the brand”?

What the heck does “dilute the brand” mean, anyway?

I could ask many of the same questions about VW and BMW automobiles assembled outside Germany (or inside Germany by a substantially non-German workforce) .  Certainly those vehicles still exhibit a set of unmistakably ‘German engineering and design characteristics’ that distinguish them from their competition (for better or worse).

My point is, the ‘nationalistic essence’ of these things, to the extent there is such a thing, is in the mindset of the designers (and often those people are foreign nationals that adopt the mindset as a part of fitting in to a corporate culture).  The place of fabrication/assembly has less and less to do with what makes those products characteristically “German”, “Italian”, “American”, or whatever, as the competitive/political/business climate evolves in the modern world.

Of course, all REAL Ducati elitists/purists know that the Ducati brand was irreparably diluted with the adoption of the cog-belt (or was it with the death of the trellis frame?).  One of those, for sure  ;D

Alright, correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the first letter of the VIN indicate the fact that it is made (or assembled??!!) in a certain region of the world?

Japanese vehicles, for example, starts with a J.

While our Ducs starts with a Z, shouldnt they assign a different letter for brazillian made since it's at South America?

that was the hope for this thread.

If its manufactured in all the same places an Italian Ducati is manufactured, and merely assembled in Brazil..... does that make it less Italian?

I dont know, nor do I have any real axe to grind on the subject..... just wondering out loud..

Toyota went through this same pocess in the US. you knew wgat was going. to break merely by seeing where it was assembled. the quality control just wasn't there

this does not matter in the least.

is your bike less italian because you have an american mechanic?

they all got manufactured in the same factory with the same tolerances.  rather than showing up to the dealership missing mirrors and a windshield, they show up requiring full assembly.

which is kinda awesome if you want to do something (PC the frame) right off the bat. plus you would know that your mechanic put the bike together, not some faceless factory worker.

Here, let me Wiki it for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number)

For example, there's an Acura outside my shop with a VIN starting with 19U.
That means it was assembled in the USA.

My Ducati VIN starts with ZDM.
That's Italy.

And your apparent assumption that QC in Brazil won't be as good as QC in Italy....
Not sure what to say about that.

i lived in central america. and seen plenty of film/news/documentary on south america.
quality control isn't a priority there.


BUT... getting past my 20 yr old prejudices I did look up who has factories there...
Brazil has manufacturing plants for General Motors, Volkswagen, Ford, Fiat, Honda, and Toyota.

so the should start with 9A-9E

^this^

you can't say QC is dependent on the country.  it's dependent on the factory.

there's complete shit being manufactured in China, and there's some of the best stuff.  as long as they have strict control over quality, country of origin is least of the worry.

the argument is pointless for ducati if they are only producing brazil made bikes to sell IN brazil

The best Toyota Truck is made in the US  :D

According tto ducati all Diavels are now built in Thailand alongside the Monster 795 ,
so all worldwide production of Diavel is from Thai factory

Which one?

The overseas HiLux is a much sturdier vehicle than the US version (Tacoma)

Source? All I find is news similar to this thread, Diavel's built in southeast Asia only to be sold in southeast Asia.

Untrue. Camrys built in Georgetown KY are rock solid and always have been. The team there in Gtown are deadly serious about QC. Probably the most dedicated and proud workforce on the planet right there in hillbilly KY. Incredible ain't it? Don't really know where you are getting your information but you're doing it wrong.

Yeah so everybody obsess over your VIN #s. Because that's not silly at all is it? Especially when it has been established that the Brazilian bikes won't be coming here, ever. Even if they were, I'd trust one. Ducs never had QC issues when they were 100% made in Italy did they? I thought so.

He's probably referring to the NUMMI Toyotas.

worked for Toyota service department in 1995-96 ;) and specifically referring to the corollas of that era