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FP1

Results:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 1'44.485     
2 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 1'45.490 1.005 1.005
3 99 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 1'45.945 1.460 0.455
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO YAMAHA 1'46.021 1.536 0.076
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA HONDA 1'46.413 1.928 0.392
6 41 Aleix ESPARGARO ART 1'46.574 2.089 0.161
7 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 1'46.678 2.193 0.104
8 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA 1'46.839 2.354 0.161
9 14 Randy DE PUNIET ART 1'47.039 2.554 0.200
10 1 Casey STONER HONDA 1'47.527 3.042 0.488
11 6 Stefan BRADL HONDA 1'47.825 3.340 0.298
12 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 1'47.862 3.377 0.037
13 21 Katsuyuki NAKASUGA YAMAHA 1'48.110 3.625 0.248
14 51 Michele PIRRO FTR 1'48.244 3.759 0.134
15 22 Ivan SILVA BQR 1'48.918 4.433 0.674
16 9 Danilo PETRUCCI IODA-SUTER 1'49.143 4.658 0.225
17 8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 1'49.444 4.959 0.301
18 5 Colin EDWARDS SUTER 1'49.748 5.263 0.304
19 77 James ELLISON ART 1'50.735 6.250 0.987
Not qualified (Out 107%) 1'51.799
8 4 Roberto ROLFO ART 1'51.826 7.341 1.091
7 1 Claudio CORTI INMOTEC 1'51.996 7.511 0.170
7 3 Hiroshi AOYAMA BQR 1'54.245 9.760 2.249


FP2

Results:

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 14 Randy DE PUNIET ART 1'36.965     
2 51 Michele PIRRO FTR 1'37.084 0.119 0.119
3 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 1'37.389 0.424 0.305
4 17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI 1'37.782 0.817 0.393
5 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 1'38.115 1.150 0.333
6 9 Danilo PETRUCCI IODA-SUTER 1'38.300 1.335 0.185
7 22 Ivan SILVA BQR 1'38.304 1.339 0.004
8 84 Roberto ROLFO ART 1'38.905 1.940 0.601
9 77 James ELLISON ART 1'39.837 2.872 0.932
10 73 Hiroshi AOYAMA BQR 1'40.497 3.532 0.660
11 71 Claudio CORTI INMOTEC 1'42.993 6.028 2.496
Not qualified (Out 107%) 1'43.752
  35 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA 1'44.384 7.419 1.391
  19 Alvaro BAUTISTA HONDA 1'44.564 7.599 0.180
  21 Katsuyuki NAKASUGA YAMAHA 1'45.180 8.215 0.616
  41 Aleix ESPARGARO ART 1'45.426 8.461 0.246
  8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 1'45.678 8.713 0.252
  5 Colin EDWARDS SUTER 2'06.873 29.908 21.195
Not Classified
  1 Casey STONER HONDA       
  4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO YAMAHA       
  6 Stefan BRADL HONDA       
  26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA       
  99 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA

FP1 was all wet...FP2 was "crappy" conditions as it was not exactly wet, but not exactly dry...

chaz davies has some "interesting" comments in the last 7 minutes of motogp fp2 regarding tire allocation during the pre-control-tire days.

Marquez will be starting the race on Sunday at the very back of the grid as a penatly for punting another rider when making a dangerous pass on FP.

Last chance to see Rossi on a Duc before he flames them in the press for not following his advise.

I guess that depends on what kind of results ( if any ) come about next year...

Well, I should say flaming during the off season.

Fixed it for ya.  ;D

FP 1 or 2?

"I passed him on the inside and then felt a touch, which was totally involuntary. I immediately looked around to see how he was and, when I saw that he had crashed, I became very worried.

"I went to apologise to him after the session, he understood and the most important thing is that he wasn't hurt. I publically apologise once again."



plus, we already know he can start last and still win.

no it doesn't.  bike has the same problems it did in valencia, 2010.  that's ridiculous.
 

About 4 minutes from the end of FP2.

Thanks...

just saw a clip of it.

FP3

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:33.033
2 Andrea Dovizioso Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:33.641
3 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha M1 1:33.672
4 Stefan Bradl LCR Honda MotoGP Honda RC213V 1:33.751
5 Nicky Hayden Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:34.263
6 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:34.296
7 Alvaro Bautista Honda Gresini Honda RC213V 1:34.764
8 Randy De Puniet Aspar Team MotoGP ART 1:34.915
9 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:34.991
10 Michele Pirro Honda Gresini FTR 1:35.371
11 Valentino Rossi Marlboro Ducati Team Ducati GP12 1:35.824
12 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati GP12 1:35.919
13 Robbie Rolfo Speed Master ART 1:36.149
14 Hector Barbera Pramac Racing Team Ducati GP12 1:36.192
15 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha M1 1:36.267
16 Aleix Espargaro Power Electronics Aspar ART 1:36.517
17 Danilo Petrucci Ioda Racing Project Ioda 1:36.538
18 Ivan Silva BQR BQR-FTR 1:36.753
19 Hiro Aoyama BQR BQR-FTR 1:37.701
20 Colin Edwards Forward Racing Suter 1:37.969


track was wet but conditions were drying...

marquez... damn.  [bow_down]

lorenzo, moonshot 2012.

He rides like a punk, but he should make GP a little more interesting next year!

Unfortunately you can not hide NOS bottles on the Honda GP bike.   :P  All kidding aside, I'm expecting a rookie year similar to Lorenzo's.  Blazing speed, some wrecklessness, maybe a few spectacular crashes, grumbling from the "old" vets, and a worthy successor to Stoner's seat.

Sorry to see Casey go. Wish he woulda gone back to Ducati.

Dude, you pulled this out of your crystal ball? Marquez just ripped through the field.

The MotoGP race was terrible. What a make the beast with two backsing cluster make the beast with two backs. Regardless of what people may say, no one likes to watch a race where half the field ends up in the gravel.

Way to go Nakasuga, riding for Ben.  [clap]

I don't want to see guys in the gravel, but you have to admit at least there was some excitement with this race.

yes...yes there was...Lorentho's moonshot was amazingly violent...and I can't wait to hear if there was any kind of blue flag that wasn't being shown because that wouldn't surprise me in the least.

he was just being impatient.

no one's fault but his.

They need to stop calling it a highside......... I think it should be called Rodeo Sex.

(in my opinion) if he was being impatient, he would've forced the pass. in this case, i think "slowing down" to pick a better place to pass is what unsettled his bike and caused the highside.

that's the way i saw it during the race, but i haven't re-watched the incident.

also, FWIW, it looked like the way Ellison was on the race line, he wasn't giving any sign of yielding, which to me made me think he wasn't being shown a blue flag...not that I am a fan of Jorge...but more in terms of preventing some of these very issues which even Casey whined about in warning to ( though it was more in the disparity between CRT and prototype machinery in regards to lapping issues)...this is why Jorge had to change up something when this happened or he would have run both bikes off the course based on his speed and rythem...

The problem was giving way to JLo would have meant leaving the dry line and possibly crashing.

(wet) racing incident.  nowhere for ellison to go, and even if it were a dry track holding his line is the right thing to do.

 ;D
 

Jorge should have waited for the straight to pass Ellison, like Pedrosa when he passed IIRC Abraham.

some fodder from Ellison for ya to chew on...


http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121112lpls.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121112lpls.htm)

"In an interesting interpretation of the incident.."

exactly.  stfu george.  he did exactly what he should have done.  you didn't.
 

He's the golden boy covered in mantequilla. He can say anything he wants, but it won't make it true.

Re-watched the incident.

He came up on the group of Espargaro, DePuniet and Ellison.
Barged up the inside of Espargaro, sat him up coming into a turn.
DePuniet was wide in that turn, so Lorenzo got past him easily.

Went through at least 4 turns before he was up on Ellison.
So he *had* to have had a pretty good idea of the pace Ellison was running.

Pilot error on Jorge's part.

And *if* Pedrosa had followed Stoner home in Australia, pushing Jorge to 3rd.... he'd have the #1 plate.

I didn't see any sign of him really trying to slow down.

He immediately moved to the outside, got off the dry line, and binned it on slicks on a drying track.

That's the way I saw it anyway.

it was a jorge racing in spain and dani has been winning way too much move.

ding ding ding

His racecraft escaped him. ;)

Jorge wouldn't have pushed so hard for the win in Valencia had that been the scenario.  He'd back off.

Marquez is gonna be awesome next year.  By awesome, I mean a "bull in a china shop." 

I was pretty bored by that race 'cept for a coupla things.  Happy to see Stoner get a podium in his final race.  You could almost see the anguish through Cal's helmet when he went down.  It was great to see George launch himself to Mars again.  He's been far to mantequilla lately, which leaves my need for bloodsport unsatisfied.  I really thought George was gonna save that one.  Then his bike decided it'd had enough of George's girlbits constantly rubbing up against it.  And, finally, how cool would it have been if all the guys that started on slicks from pit lane crashed into each other when they got all squirrley at the start (see prior comment re bloodsport)?

I know this is resurrecting a long dormant thread, but this seems to be a new(ly-posted) video both of the incident that got Marquez lined up at the back of the grid at Valencia, and a breathtaking aerial view of his charge through the field.  :o

Márquez off the line in Valencia -- A bird's eye view (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k6llrYTfTw#)

Sorry about the disabled embed, but it's worth clicking through to YouTube to see.

there is NO way Marquez had the same spec motor as everyone else.

What...

just because Honda supplied the motors to a series promoted by a Spanish company, with a Spanish team, a Spanish rider, and their name on the bike...

you actually think there might be some impropriety?  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

And it shows pretty graphically (@1:59) how he repeats the 'go up the inside too late' move that got him to the back of the grid in the first place.

I didn't see anything bad during the race, just aggressive riding. Everyone during the race knew he was there though, even the guy at 1:59.

I think the reason he moves thru the field so fast in the beginning is throttle position, as in his is open further for longer. He's just a better rider than all of those guys. He got a WAY better jump than the guy next to him at the line, and presumably did compared to the guys he passed. Plus, he's tiny so should have better acceleration. There's a reason why he always starts at the front of the grid.

Not to say he doesn't make douche moves here and there, I just didn't see one in that race clip (other than the one he got sent to the back for).

I could believe it when they said that it was the aerodynamic edge  that as giving him the advantage in long straights... but yeah... that engine of his cant be legit after seeing that.

the other thing that was discussed at one point were some of his maps which were not illegal, but not of the type of tuning that most would have the opportunity to experiment with and/or have due to $$$ which his team seemed to have in abundance in comparo...so while his motor was never found to be of a different spec...the aero advantages + his tinyness + software + his testicular fortitude = examples like this...not that I am making excuses for him...just makes it a bit more plausible/easy to swallow.

I don't know that any excuses need to be made: 1) As has been noted, he gets an awesome drive off the line - I suck badly enough at drag racing to know that reaction time & drive you lose at launch = momentum you never get back, and he got a better launch than anyone around him. 2)The backmarkers he passes en masse coming into turn one weren't back there due to excessive aggression like Marquez was - going into T1, they're all slowing down & getting in line, while he's on the throttle and looking for gaps - watch the rider in red lined up one row ahead of Marquez & on the outside - until he runs wide & gets blocked by a knot of slow riders, he's matching MM's run through the field. 2) From there on, he's passing riders in ones & twos, pretty much like you'd expect him to - as a viewer (unlike a lot of you, I've never raced motorcycles, so may be missing things you're seeing), those look like clean passes to me, not even exceptionally aggressive.

I'm not discounting the possibility that he's got some special sauce in the bike's mapping & aerodynamics, or that he can takes some excessive chances with other folks' lives when he wants to get past, but I didn't see anything in that bit of video that couldn't be attributed to a talented rider, and it's pretty clear he's that.

I still don't like him one bit.

That is about all I have to say about that.

I dont buy repsol products.... so where does all that money come from?












 ;D

Spaniards.

 [roll]

Nobody expects the Repsol Inquisition!

[foreheadpalm]

DOHT!

Speechless?

Apparently I imagined that I did a Ctrl-V

Mel Brooks´ Spanish Inquisition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqgZnvfJ9Jg#)

Who are, in turn, being bailed out. So the cash comes out of the pockets of everyone in Europe  ;)

old news re-re-revisited..  but i just watched this again for some reason and JESUSFOOKINKEERIST.