Ducati Monster Forum

Hi all,

I have a 2001 model Monster 400 with single front brake disc/caliper and was wondering if anyone has upgraded to add dual brake setup? If so, does the master cylinder need upgrading as well? Does anyone know where I can get the complete brake setup?

Cheers in advance for your help.

Regards,

John

Yes, you do need a larger capacity m/c.
Yoyodyne and forum sponsors should be able to help you with parts. I'm sure a few forum members have done this mod.
Where are you?

Hey koko,

I'm in Sydney.

I'll try the forum sponsors.

Cheers,

John

Welcome to the forum.

Thank you Koko.

I tried searching the forum form similar topics but no luck. Maybe one of the sponsors could enlighten me?

Cheers,

John

Pm sent. Madalf has calipers for sale. Might fit  not sure. Yoyodyne have great prices for new oem parts so you match the other side.

juc, get a brake master from a M620, not dark or if so 2005-2006 vintage, those had 2 calipers  . . . you also will need the lines . . .from the same bike this, if you want to keep the coffin master, if you want to upgrade, sponsors can offer you a variety of masters to choose from . . .

Here are a few examples

http://www.bellissimoto.com/DucaBikeLevers.html (http://www.bellissimoto.com/DucaBikeLevers.html)
http://motowheels.com/i-9806590-brembo-oem-749-999-brake-master-cylinder-complete.html (http://motowheels.com/i-9806590-brembo-oem-749-999-brake-master-cylinder-complete.html)  → this would be a great option since it's complete with reservoir and all, you would just need to play with the line fitting a little
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.4620.47 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.4620.47)  → keep it looking stock and it would be an "upgrade"
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.5053.13 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.5053.13)
http://www.cyclebrakes.com/html/accossato.html (http://www.cyclebrakes.com/html/accossato.html)  → these were recommended, but, never got an answer from them so, ... in the link I provided, they tell you which master for what application; I did replace an OEM Kawasaki Ninja 250 with one from Accossato and made a night/day difference, not my bike . ..

These are some of the options . . . there are many other brands out there and it all depends on how much you are willing to spend, remember, if you purchase any non-coffin master, you will need to purchase the mounting kit for the reservoir, microswitch, lines for 2x calipers, new set of pads[2] new rotors . . . from experience we are talking about, easily US$1100.00 if you go the RCS way like I did; if you go a less expensive way, then the price goes proportionally . . .

hope this helps

Thank you Darkmonster and thank you all for the responses. The information provided has been awesome.

Cheers,

John

You're welcome . . as said, options, limitless, your wallet will limit you, personally, I'd go with the 999 complete master, it would be plug and play and then, you would have to learn to brake again . . . it happened to me . .

Now, can you tell me if your bike has the 6 threaded holes on the other side? and the caliper support? just making sure we have the main topics covered: where to place the rotor and caliper . . .

Thanks Darkmonster,

The left rotor is 6 bolt. Caliper support is pre existing with a cover. I am thinking of going with the Yoyodyne Brembo 16mm Master Cylinder. Koko has bought to my attention there are Brembo calipers for sale on the OzMonster Trading forum and I've also found a pair of eBay off a M620. I am thinking of maybe getting 2 new rotors as I'm having trouble locating a similar rotor to the existing left one. If I don't find a brake lines second hand then I'll get the braided lines from Yoyodyne. Is there anything I've overlooked?

Cheers,

John

if you want, I have my "old set" of OEM lines for 2 calipers . ..  if you don't find I could sort of quote shipping to Australia from Panama and that would be your cost, shipping only via paypal

your best bet is to get 2 new rotors or 2 new used from the same bike and a new set of pads . . . best bet EBC F244HH . .. sintered and excellent . ..

Sourced most of the parts myself, but ended up getting Brad Black to fit my upgrade due to a few hassles. I upgraded my 1998 m750.

Things to do:
- check your calliper spacing, it's either 40mm vertical holes (early style) or 65mm angled slightly offset to the forks themselves (later style). This will obviously affect your purchase.

- Get a decent quality RH caliper, as its near impossible to source a rebuild kit. Even if it means buying a pair, as they are often sold as such.

- get braided lines! Makes a huge difference. Better than 10+ year old rubber lines that may come with caliper. I got mine direct from Venhill in the UK to save money, but again be 100% sure on length, as mine came in ever so slightly too short since I've m900 forks fitted, and it didn't end up fitting. Had to buy a 2nd set.

- get new discs and pads. Not worth the hassle putting a half used or warped disc on. I tried to save money by buying Chinese discs off eBay, but mine were warped at new. Within their shit manufacturing specs still though! So that ended up costing me more money. I ended up with Metal Gear discs and pads from Qld.

- Don't forget 12 new rotor bolts, the stickies are quite soft and I had 2 round off on removal. Just unscrew the spacer/cover 3 bolts, and underneath is 6 bolt holes for a fresh rotor on the right.

- it'd best to upgrade the brake master to a larger size one. You'll find some markings on the underside of the master, you can tell what size yours is via this, and also ID the correct larger master you need this way. I just got 2nd hand but new is good too.

All this can be fitted in the shed with a few tools and some time and a bit of knowledge. Save a heap on labour cost and get to know your duke.

Overall mine was a frustrating experience due to a variety of issues,ostly relating to being a tightarse :P but I now enjoy the upgrade greatly!

Good luck :)

Thanks Nibor,

Great info there and always handy from experience.

I have managed to purchase a pair of calipers off a M620 in excellent condition. I have found new rotors via the assistance of Pat as I felt it would be best getting new rotors and pads.

I have to purchase a a new brake master and brake lines which I'll likely end up getting from Yoyodyne unless I find them elsewhere.

Thank you all for your help and information. It has been immensely helpful.

Cheers,

John

In that case, have a look at this one, it would be a great upgrade

http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.8210.10 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.8210.10)

Beringers are nice  [thumbsup]

Hi all,

I finally got the chance to tackle this project and with the help of some very helpful people on this forum, managed to upgrade the front end of my Monster to a dual disk setup. I'd like to thank everyone who replied and answered my personal messages with their advice. It helped immensely.

(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/Thesaiint/EC8763DD-21EA-4E70-9E6A-B4F6890A5480-249-000000966C1E2165.jpg)(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/Thesaiint/EFA7B99F-9146-40B7-BFD4-BAE13BD2DFED-249-000000965B4B2A21.jpg)
(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/Thesaiint/162CDF89-2C99-4B78-B72C-2F1981A5F6F3-249-00000096626E1F83.jpg)

V nice.

Could you post up a final list of parts used for the conversion and where they were sourced?

JH

Looks great John, glad it all came together for you.  [thumbsup]

Pat

Hey JH,

Thanks for your interest and comments.

The following parts and where they were sourced as follows;

Calipers Brembo 65mm twin pin (used)- eBay believe it or not. Off a M620 in very good condition. Missed out of a good set from one of the guys on this forum. Keep an eye out on this forum.
Brake lines (used)- came with the calipers
Copper Washers (new) - Gowanloch here in Sydney
16mm Brembo brake Master Cylinder (new) - Yoyodyne in the U.S
Brembo Snowflake Rotors (new) - Yoyodyne in the U.S
Rotor bolts (new) - titanium from TPO Parts in the U.S
Caliper Bolts (new) - titanium from TPO Parts in the U.S
Brake Pads (new) - Gowanloch here is Sydney
Brake fluid - Gowanloch here in Sydney
Front and rear Paddock stands - Kaneg

Whole project took me around 4 hours. I hit a couple of snags with a couple of stubborn bolts so it would have been quicker.

Ay questions, fire away. I would be happy to help out.

Braking is awesome with the dual disk setup. I opted for the coffin style brake master cylinder as I didn't have to replace the clutch m/c and I wanted it all to match up. I looked at the radial type and couldn't justify the extra dollars.

Cheers,

John

Thanks Pat. I appreciated your help with this one. Have to catch up for a ride and a beer.

Cheers,

John

Hey John,

Thanks for the parts list. I like the look of the bike. Did you get the clear timing belt covers locally?

JohnH

Hey John,

Thanks mate. The timing belt covers came from Danmoto. They are pretty well made although I had them sprayed Matt black.

Cheers,

John

Hay JUCO1
Nice looking Monster  [thumbsup]
Well done on the brake upgrade , did the same for my wifes 695 using set up from an S2R1000 thanks Andy
made a world of difference .
Just a thought on your belly pan  , rotate the fixings down a tad so it sits flat with the road rather than pointing up
looks better IMO
What seat is that , I like the pleats.
Black out that headlight ring , if you use black electrical tape first to see if you like it before spraying it.
And again what a great looking black Monster.

Good job ... the bike looks great.

I'm also curious about the seat (I can't remember if it has been discussed before). Is it comfortable? Does all the extra stitching cause any problems?

Hi Two Dogs and Betty,

Thanks for the compliments.

The seat I had re trimmed by a friend who is an auto trimmer. The inspiration came from the Ducati Diesel Monster. I think it compliments the style of the Monster. It's quite comfortable and so far no probs with the stitching. He used a genuine leather so I hope it should be ok.

The belly pan actually sits parallel with the ground. I have tried to rotate a little further down but that's as far as I can get it. The photo does make it look like its sitting higher than it is.

I've seen the headlight ring blackened and I'm not sure if I like it.

Cheers for the comments.

John

Hey John,

could please post pictures of your seat mod.

Silly me, must scroll down  [bang] [bang].

seat looks hot. [clap]