Ducati Monster Forum

Ever had an idea that just will not leave you be? An idea that will possibly lead you into a world of pain?
It will not leave me be.

I admit that I am quite impressed with Massimo Tamburini's 750 Paso. Comfy sport touring, plush low seat, light weight air cooled simplicity, twin side oil coolers with air ducting, ignition/battery/etc under the seat, just carb and airbox under tank, external fuel pump, integrated mirrors and indicators, eccentric chain adjustment, remote shock preload.

What if I put a 900SS/Monster engine in there with 17 inch wheels, better front end and brakes? I would leave the stock pistons in so any old fuel was good and run the Weber carb with a fuel pressure regulator or FCRs.

Anyone done this? Surely someone has? Or would it be better to modify a carbed 900SS to tour?

For reasons I won't go into the ST series is out. Maybe just posting this will purge it from my consciousness.

from one end to the other, pasos are just crap.  delusional people waste money and time trying to convince themselves otherwise.  and they're not cheap for some bizarre reason.  they should be.

the 907 is what you describe pretty much.

get a 900ss, better bike, not unique, etc.

or an st2.  it's a tourer after all.

I was wondering when you would chime in! [laugh]
If I ring you about it, keep talking me out of it!

why no st2?

Indeed, you've described a carbureted 907.

I've not had my hands on many Pasos, but they're not very friendly to work on.
And put the thought of that automotive carburetor out of your head.

According to Ian Falloon, the factory had to do significant mods to the frame and forks to put the big motor in the Paso with the 16" wheels, and again to put the 17's on the 907.
Front tire to head interference was the issue.

But..... the Paso wingnuts seem to be able to convert to the 17's.

I test rode an ST4 and it didn't fit the Missus and myself at all. Seat, bars, pegs all felt wrong. It really surprised me. She felt more secure on the Monster right behind me and not so high. Too tall for us both. Strange, I thought an ST2/4 would be perfect. I was real comfy on a 907ie. Missus likes the Hypermotard seat the best! I cant touch the ground!

It would certainly be less painful to modify a 900SS to tour. Raise the bars up the forks with 999 Masters to clear the fairing, seat redone to suit us both, FCRs, airbox, stock internals, drop the passenger pegs (98+ SS passenger pegs might do it) and lower custom pipe. Luggage rack. Done.

Just need something for weekend trips, no camping, light luggage (just motels). We are nearly empty nesters now.

All that and the SS looks better! ;D
I've been reading Falloon's book, pity the Paso was not executed well, some good ideas there.

Don't go there, too much hassle just w 17" conversion.
But do give the 907 a try, I don't regret it.

I believe Ducati proved car carburetors don't work on motorcycles with the Paso.  IMO the 900SS is quite comfy.

The *ONLY* Paso to consider is the 907i.e.  That's it.  All others are much more crappy. (BTW: 907 is injected, has hot-ish cams, better suspension and already has 17" wheels w/good Brembo brakes).

But, the Paso-ists know that the 907 is the one to obtain so the prices are high.  So high in fact, that they often eclipse the better ST bikes.  I saw an ST4 here in New Mexico last fall for $3200 in yellow w/all the bags.  Also saw a blue '01 ST2 last summer here in New Mexico for $3000.

(I mention New Mexico b/c we don't have many Ducati's at all...  So if I can find those deals even here, you need to look at the ST's.)

There has been what I have to assume is the same Paso bought and sold in Western Pa and NE Ohio over the two years...about every other month or so I get a call from the newest owner that thinks he got the deal of the decade at @$1000.00. He proceeds to describe the same issues and needing the same parts that I explained were not available to the previous owner a few weeks prior...

The bikes are complete crap... The Porsche 924 of the line up! That being said....it would be pretty cool to take one, gut it of all its crap (which is plentiful) and turn it into something cool...

If ANYONE can...KoKo is the man!

The PASO body is gorgeous.

a PASO body(frame?) with 848 evo motor and parts  [thumbsup]

+1.  Too bad they are a sheep in wolfs clothing.......

It is ??? 

Um..  :-\

(http://raresportbikesforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Paso-left-600x450.jpg)
(http://www.ducatiusa.com/pub/image.do?rule=white-border2&src=/cms-web/fs//img/Heritage/Modelli/Heritage_Mod_A1988-90_906-PASO_01_634x357.jpg/Heritage_Mod_A1988-90_906-PASO_01_634x357_634x357.jpg&output=PNG&quality=m&cache=true&httpCache=true&interpolation=bicubic2&width=634&color=D8D8D8&height=356&ext=image.png)
(http://www.mildhogs.co.nz/IM_Custom/ContentStore/Assets/5/74//pas-907-ie.JPG)

just really nice lines

Whats not to like?

One mans "gorgeous" is another mans "hideously gross"

I'll be in the latter category...

rgramjet- "Whats not to like?"
 EVERYTHING!

except the centerstand, those are handy as hell

Like I said to speeddog, 750   Paso is weird sex [evil].
We all got our quirks...

I have reviewed my plan.

Stock Oscam 16 inchers with Avon Azaro 130/70/16 and 150/80/16.
40mm 4 pot Brembo calipers and 300mm floating discs, radial master, braided lines and caliper adaptors.
CV38s and pods or modified M900 airbox while I modify the Weber44. A mate might trade me his FCR39s.
Exactfit coils, Ignitech.
Lowered passenger pegs and pipes (a smidge). Customized seat.

Redo the wiring and electrics.
If I get a 1990 model, its a two yearish project. By 2015 it
 will be eligible for club  rego.

I like how the Paso has 10:1 pistons and early dry clutch.
Bigger valves and 900 cams might go in if I have to pull
the heads. I got time to paint the frame and fit parts at good prices

.. all I see is plastic slab sidedness. 

Hey kinky64, not having a go at your choices mate.  Its just my opinion that whatever it is, its best done naked  ;D.

actually the Paso, 851, 888 are all very nice and curvey, pictures just don't convey the fluid lines well.
the first gen Hurricanes are another favorite of mine.

(http://motorcycle-specs.com/general/Honda-CBR_600_Hurricane-1988.jpg)

Its a rude bike! 8)

Well put. 

The 80s were a weird time for a lot of things.  If you put it in context, the Paso made some bold innovative attempts.  Some good, some not so good.

My Uncle has the CLEANEST 907ie I have ever seen. I ride it a few weeks per year when doing maintenance and mods to my M1100s. It is a quirky but COOL bike. It always turns heads and gets a crowd at my local bike night.

It is not fast, does not handle great but somehow cool to ride... And put me in the "Looks Good" catagory. and BTW his other bikes happen to be an ST4S and a Grand Canyon (talk about odd to ride)...

Massimo Tamburini designed it, it has to be beautiful!  Sorta.

 916 and the 750 Paso, beautiful success and quirky failure.
 I'll end up with the Paso  [laugh].

the Cagiva isn't that odd....I have one...and I think I am odder than it!


though, I admit it feels weird when you wheelie it the 1st time...

Mentioning the Paso in the same sentence regarding style with the 851 and 888 should get you banned!  [laugh]

851 & 888 =  [thumbsup]

Paso =  [puke]

 [drool]
(http://www.motorstown.com/images/ducati-851-06.jpg)

 [drool]
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/bikes/110315d1336537649-1994-ducati-888-spo-dsc_0007a.jpg)

 ???
(http://motorcyclephotooftheday.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/dsc_3100.jpg)

This is an original 906 (16inch wheels):


(http://images.motoinzerce.cz/k/i/242_4.jpg)


A looker IMHO.

In my pic you see lowered pegs (MW Variopegs).
I believe clutch parts are hardest to find f the 750.
All the help you need: http://ducatipaso.org/ (http://ducatipaso.org/)
Good luck w the project!

Cant put a "sport tourer" in the same category as a sexy sbk. 

Wanna talk ugly, the previous generation Multistrada is the ugliest bike Ive ever seen.  Im surprised it took so long for Ducati to revamp that toad.

Ugly sure, but effective and fun to ride. Too bad the revamped version still looks like crap.

+1

+1

Raux,

Where did you grab that first snap? That's a bike my son bought in the Midwest (?) over a year ago and sold on eBay last spring after our paint guy did a new mirror and repainted the front "shield". It had been painted by Ferracci for the NY Motorcycle Show one year. Hard to mistake as it has that custom Corbin and those Staintune mufflers. Bike already had 38mm Dellortos BTW..., unless Eraldo did two. Son sold it with relatively fresh 16" Michelins too. The buyer knew what he was getting and it DID run as well as my old Paso Limited.  ;)

I heard that Ducati had kept a small 'fleet' of old 907's when they were developing and testing the 996 motors.  So, appearantly, the desmoquattro will fit into a Paso.

But, if I was going to do it...  It'd be a black 907 with a 1098/1198 motor and better suspension.

But, I'm not...

wonder how low the Cd is on the Paso  [evil]

I cant find one 750 Paso for sale down here.  I've seen 906s and 907s which are very high priced for what they are. I want the 750. I would get a 906/7 with a blown motor however..

Perhaps not many were imported? You don't want to need to deal with the 16" wheels at this point on a 750. Decent enough engine it was though with 38mm Dellortos... Somehow I never could ever trust the front end feedback on my Limited and sold it for one of the first 851's.  8)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Superbike-ducati-Paso-750-Superbike-Sport-cagiva-italian-pantah-vintage-motorcycle-Bimota-/200901440357?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2ec6a8b365 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-Superbike-ducati-Paso-750-Superbike-Sport-cagiva-italian-pantah-vintage-motorcycle-Bimota-/200901440357?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2ec6a8b365)

So cruel to taunt me so. [bang]

Thats a handsome bike!

Waiting for the pukers to pick it apart.......

they must have all gone away.  there's always been at least one on ebay or bikepoint for the past few months.  generally $5k and up.

Brad. Do you know what cams the P750 run?

750 cams.

it's the 85 to 02 750 motor with the pre 92 dry clutch.  wrapped in a piece of shit.

it'd be easier to modify the st2 seating position.  and then you'll have a bike that's not a shitbox that you actually like to use.

please ride one before you invest anything in this idea.  i hate to see people throw away time and money like this.

Thanks for your concern. I'lll tallk to you about it when I'm over next.
I.ll be sure to check out anything I look at,  including test riding (and getting my wife to sit pillion).

I have ridden a 907 and liked it and I need to ride the 16" wheel bike to compare.  Your experience dealing with their issues cautions me. Years ago I was checking out a 906 at Moto One and I remember a conversation we had.

 Its the club rego I'm after, so its a Paso or Elefant (and I need a ladder for those). If I could lower one, fit other wheels and keep safe dynamics (and find one) I would reconsider. Look very comfortable. I like the Elefant, pity I'm 5' 8".
If I'm delayed enough it could be a '91-92 900ss with modified seat, bars and pegs.
A better platform for sure. That would be 2016-17 for an early belt drive SS.

I rode a buddies 750 Paso on a very windy day along the Pacific, and it wasn't really affected by the winds....

My V-rod (which is what I switched off of to ride his Paso) was all over the place in the winds

End of scientific study ;)