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...seems to work OK for Honda:

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/02/18/honda_rc213v_revealed_to_use_a_90_v_engi.html (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/02/18/honda_rc213v_revealed_to_use_a_90_v_engi.html)

Japanese engineers are smarter.  ;)

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/27537/frustrated-ducati-motogp-fan-launches-online-petition (http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/27537/frustrated-ducati-motogp-fan-launches-online-petition)

I love the grammatical errors in that petition...

wining instead of winning and 360 degree turn to go back to previous technology?

When you have an army of engineers and the most state of the art machinery at your disposal, it's probably a bit easier to design out issues. I think the article made a point that they did not expand upon. Has Ducati made any changes to the engine to undo the fact that it was meant to be a stressed member? I'm not and engineer, so I have no clue, but from what I understand these frames are designed to flex a very large amount. If you add rigidity through the engine, doesn't that effect everything else?

from what I under stand...they are designed with very specific flex properties and they tune and adapt to that flex for handling...the engine as a stressed member project was supposed to do the same thing, but the feel was apparently not like any other in terms of figuring out how to process the flex data into modifications and tuning for the individual riders and was more of an exercise in trying to change/retrain the rider in order to get more out of it ( or just be like Casey and not give a shit and bin it or win it)...so now they are starting over in a way, and have yet to start ticking the right checks in certain boxes for a good baseline...but hopefully Gobmeister is pointing a direction for to work towards for the mid season update...

although they already scrapped that last year and went to a twin spar, which yielded nothing.

this is the same article but in Italian and some comparasions to the DDGP

http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33314___90_Vs_90_.php#.USUNcV8Lj5E.facebook (http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33314___90_Vs_90_.php#.USUNcV8Lj5E.facebook)

DDGP? Dunkin Donuts Gran Prix?....when did Dunkin Donuts get into motorcycle racing?...damn!...that would be awesome!!!

OK, DesmoceDici GranPrix bike or GP12/11 . .  which ever model they were comparing too . . . I was tired . .

here it is in English

http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33324_90_VS90_____ENG_version.php (http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/33324_90_VS90_____ENG_version.php)

From all these articles you can say it boils down to engine size. You also have to remember that Honda makes their own frames, where as the Ducs outsource it. But again we go back to the point that the engine is huge compared to the competition and when you add the gearbox and everything else, you have an unbalanced mess.

third bike at Jerez -

http://www.racer.com/pirro-to-race-development-ducati-bike/article/291225/?DCMP=EMC-RACER_DAILY&spMailingID=6065820&spUserID=MjMyNjk3NDgyOQS2&spJobID=72512286&spReportId=NzI1MTIyODYS1 (http://www.racer.com/pirro-to-race-development-ducati-bike/article/291225/?DCMP=EMC-RACER_DAILY&spMailingID=6065820&spUserID=MjMyNjk3NDgyOQS2&spJobID=72512286&spReportId=NzI1MTIyODYS1)

Maybe old news  [roll]

only 2nd bike.  no ben @ jerez.

Fascinating interview with new Ducati boss Claudio Domenicali about the Panigale in WSBK, the GP13 & his take on deleting the external frame:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/interview-claudio-domenicali-ducat/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/interview-claudio-domenicali-ducat/)

Honda has more engineers working for it than Ducati has employees world wide.

seriously: honda is a racing company that happens to make consumer products.

fixed

that's not the way they see it.

A platypus can imagine himself a gazelle, but that doesn't mean anything.

Honda makes everything under the sun and was founded in 1959.  Some of Honda's products:
Automobiles, Motorcycles, Scooters, Electrical generators, Water pumps, Lawn and garden equipments, Tillers, Outboard motors, Robotics, Jet aircrafts, Jet engines, Thin-film solar cells, Internav

Honda has 180,000 employees worldwide.

Honda did not enter moto-racing until 1982.  Honda continues to make generators and tillers and solar cells.

Ducati was founded in 1926 and entered racing in 1951 and official racing in 1954.  Ducati originally made radios and some other items, and stopped completely in the 1950s to focus on engines only.  Ducati currently makes nothing but motorcycles and has 1100 employees worldwide.

The fact that Ducati can beat Honda EVER is a miracle.

insert the gameshow sound of razzzz for wrong...

http://world.honda.com/history/limitlessdreams/manttrace/text01/ (http://world.honda.com/history/limitlessdreams/manttrace/text01/)

September 1958 Honda 1st raced the Isle of Mann TT race.

OH shit..  HRC was started in 82.  I assumed wrongly that meant no factory involvement prior.... there you go.

But my other points still stand.  Honda uses racing as a marketing vehicle for selling lawn power tools and cars and oh yeah motorcycles.

Ducati sells bikes so they can run a race team.

...and this all has what to do with a 90⁰ V?

90° V.. racing decision.  like the V5.

i'm only beating the horse bc i know first hand that, at least for 2 and 4 wheeled vehicles, they consider themselves a racing company first.  i wasn't really suggesting that the lawnmower or home robot divisions consider themselves to be in the racing business.  but for cars and bikes, obviously those consumer divisions are gigantic, but their attitude is that they make better consumer products only by building superior racers; that's the first priority.  one of the reasons the consumer versions tend to run forever.  how many years did they run as the exclusive engine provider in indy car without a single engine failure?
 

I was referring to the history of Honda and the relevance to Ducati's lack of success in motogp...

but carry on beating the horse. [bang]

The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be........

Oh, and I think Socihiro Honda was racing his own motorcycles before WWII....

That's Soichiro Honda.  Have some respect man!   ;D   ;D    But no, he wasn't racing motorcycles before WWII. He tried some car racing and was injured doing so.  Post war he started making motorized bicycles which were successful largely because Japan had to climb out of ruin, much like Italy and Germany, and they were cheap, reliable transportation.

i'm done.  :)