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Dovi has a 10km/h avantage on the straights and is STILL 6 seconds behind MM

and PIRRO!!!  .398 off and in 2nd!  maybe they found something in that lab bike finally.

Keep in mind that half the riders didn't really participate other than a handful of laps.  The track was drying/wet.

FP2 Rossi and Lorenzo on top.

Pirro fast - was on 5th - ended 10th   [thumbsup]

Swoosh.... where did Hayden find that pace  :o

Just PRAISE the Lord(s) that Hayden found that pace!!  Yee-hah.   [clap]

FP2

Pos No. Rider Bike Time Diff Diff Previous
1 99 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'48.375     
2 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 1'48.409 0.034 0.034
3 35 Cal Crutchlow Yamaha 1'48.672 0.297 0.263
4 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati 1'49.377 1.002 0.705
5 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda 1'49.383 1.008 0.006
6 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati 1'49.467 1.092 0.084
7 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati 1'49.543 1.168 0.076
8 6 Stefan Bradl Honda 1'49.595 1.220 0.052
9 14 Randy de Puniet Aprilia ART 1'49.599 1.224 0.004
10 51 Michele Pirro Ducati 1'49.649 1.274 0.050
11 19 Alvaro Bautista Honda 1'49.733 1.358 0.084
12 41 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia ART 1'49.769 1.394 0.036
13 38 Bradley Smith Yamaha 1'50.103 1.728 0.334
14 93 Marc Marquez Honda 1'50.210 1.835 0.107
15 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki 1'50.400 2.025 0.190
16 11 Ben Spies Ducati 1'51.105 2.730 0.705
17 5 Colin Edwards FTR Kawasaki 1'51.433 3.058 0.328
18 17 Karel Abraham Aprilia ART 1'51.528 3.153 0.095
19 68 Yonny Hernandez Aprilia ART 1'51.644 3.269 0.116
20 9 Danilo Petrucci Suter BMW 1'51.937 3.562 0.293
21 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki 1'52.182 3.807 0.245
22 71 Claudio Corti FTR Kawasaki 1'53.314 4.939 1.132
23 70 Michael Laverty PBM 1'53.480 5.105 0.166
24 67 Bryan Staring FTR Honda 1'54.231 5.856 0.751
25 52 Lukas Pesek Suter BMW 1'54.829 6.454 0.598
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notes about the session from here

http://www.motomatters.com/results/2013/05/31/2013_mugello_motogp_fp2_result_lorenzo_e.html (http://www.motomatters.com/results/2013/05/31/2013_mugello_motogp_fp2_result_lorenzo_e.html)

1 second off the pace in the dry.  Seems about right.   :P

I was going to say.........

You just need to lower your standards/expectations. Then it'll be impressive  ;)

+1

Cal being Cal...
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newsid=9432 (http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newsid=9432)

Also posting in the Silly Season thread...

I take it none of you saw Marquez' crash?

200 mph sliding in the grass on the left side of the straight going into one.

Not seriously injured...but it was scary.

He just found something he can't/shouldn't do on a GP bike.

I saw it...pretty crazy. Not sure what happened as the video didn't show all of it, but it kinda looked like his signature swing wide at the last minute before the corner move and he clipped the grass??

Glad he's OK.

I think he locked the front...picked up he rear wheel and when he came down crossed up it sent him into the grass.

Marquez might have snatched too much brake coming over the crest and locked up.  It looked brutal during the live session.  Very glad he's ok.

damn.

again Pedrosa slows up Marquez.

Marquez then tries to catch Lorenzo and is out..  [bang]

Pedrosa doesn't deserve that bike.

they were on Lorenzo's tail and when he turned it up, Pedrosa couldn't hang.

rossi taken out in the first lap
a lot of disappointed fans...

Pedrosa doesn't deserve the bike he is leading the championship on? I am no Pedrosa fan by any means but that statement is...uh...well...yeah. Just don't know what to say to that.
3 years ago, I would agree with you totally but between last year and so far this year, Tinypants McConsistent is FINALLY showing a reason to be on the factory Honda.

The Bautista/Rossi incident...the first look almost looked like Rossi's fault but the overhead view clearly how Alvaro hitting him. It looks like the bikes got tangled which prevented Vale from turning in...had the bikes not gotten tangled, Rossi continues on. Oh well. Seems the second factory Yamaha has a nasty curse on it when it comes to stuff like that.

Marquez, now twice this year, has been held up by Pedrosa while Lorenzo takes off.

Honda needs to take a look at the situation and put Pedrosa at #2, Marquez had a better shot at the win then Pedrosa. and now because Pedrosa was selfish, and now twice. Honda and Marquez could be out of the championship.

No way Pedrosa wins this year. i'll bet a pizza on it. Lorenzo pulled away from him like he was in molasses. and Marquez was being a team player by not forcing a move, but you could tell he was faster.

Lorenzo "Dani was following me for about 13 laps, but on the 13th I pushed a little bit more – to be about three tenths faster - and it seems he gave up a little bit, so it was much easier from then.”

yep, sounds like Lorenzo thinks Dani is a real winner there.
Bet if Pedrosa would have gotten out of the way of his teammate, Lorenzo would be talking about how bad 2nd feels.

Raux, I think Dani got it right, he was pushing the maximum and those tyres were done on the Honda, so he settled for second and brought the bike home, that's call experience. Dani played it smart.

again, if Dani had left Marquez flow through, Lorenzo could have possibly been pushed into a mistake and you have a Honda 1-2 finish or maybe 1-3 finish

instead he holds up Marquez and then MM finally gets past and tries to reel in Lorenzo and loses it on the chase, which NEVER should have had to had happen.

that was the most frustrating race next to I think the first one when Dani did the EXACT same thing and held up his teammate.

oh well, guess I need to remember it's not a team sport, but wait MM didn't push Dani like he could have pushed Lorenzo, guess MM needs to learn the lesson too and start not thinking about the Honda team and start thinking about the MM squad only and if Dani gets put on his ass for blocking a faster rider than so be it.

Raux, what you're saying about Pedrosa is silly (to put it nicely). He was pushing as hard as he thought he could. Given what happened to MM, it seems he was about right. MM could have passed him at any given point during the race if he thought he was being held up that badly. Pedrosa has no obligation to let him through...this is racing. Sometimes a rider is just faster than anyone else...and today it was JLo.

Sucks on the Rossi/Bautista crash. Glad both are OK...that wall impact was brutal.

I guess it's the whole Ferrari team orders thing that gets me.
MM was definitely holding off 13 laps in. he didn't get aggressive on his teammate, but Dani was aggressive on the blocking.
watch the lines he was taking (missing), he kept going wide and then seeing that shut off the throttle and dove inside to block on MM.
I realize racing, but guess I always think team riding in this situation would have benefitted them both AND Honda.

Dani is in the business of attempting to win a championship.
Team orders don't exist this early in the season and even more so when things are so close between MM and DP.
Nothing stopped MM from passing. We saw that. But thinking that Dani should have moved over and let Marc through is naive at best.

Can't believe I am defending Dickweasel McTeamorders.

So you think the guy leading the championship should give way to the guy that's in second place when doing that will lose the championship lead for him?

I think not.

Why?

[thumbsup]
Ridiculous statement on so many levels. To think that Honda is favoring pedrosa over the rider who is clearly the coming thing? Absurd. And by the time Marquez passes, Lorenzo was gone. Marquez wasn't chasing Lorenzo, he was trying to gap Pedrosa. And we saw where that got him. I won't even put the crash down to inexperience alone. Mugello is a really tough track for many reasons, and there are plenty of experienced riders who've struggled there.

ok maybe I was going a bit far. I just saw MM playing teammate and Dani not.

I realize Dani needs a championship. and having an upstart come in and outride him didn't help his ego.

We must not be talking about the same MM...
That dude would kick his mom in the face if it meant he could gain a position.

This.

Lorenzo had it dialed in all weekend. The only possible spoiler would have been...

Rossi also had a good pace going. He needs to stop thinking that one good lap during QP will get it to the first row. he needs to push throughout the session. It's frustrating to watch 3 riders pull a last lap out of their ass, leaving him on the 3rd row vulnerable to the likes of Bautista ramming into him! I know he will always lose out on the start because he's going against midgets that weigh half as much, but shit, if you start on the first row at least you'll be mostly clear of traffic.  [bang]

I was watching old races from the early to mid 2000's and it seems he's never qualified well. Alot of races he started on the 2nd row. I think it has to do with his preferred setup of having the rear high and the bike quick and flickable currently that is prevent him to get the rear drive grip that he needs to qualify well on the softs.

Its true Rossi never was superb at qualifying, but that doesn't mean he was bad at it either.  He generally started at the pointy end, just not always on pole.  3rd row starts weren't the norm.  Regardless, he still has 3rd-5th race pace, but the guy is just getting old.  Happens to all of us.  I'm still a fan and always will be.

I was absolutely flabbergasted to see Bautista's response during the race: sitting in the pits looking like a petulant 6 year old, and based on his gestures, clearly blaming ROSSI for the wreck!
That's an impressive level of doucchebaggery, even for a Spaniard!  ;D

It's hard to read into that kind of stuff.  Besides, racers are never at their best immediately after a crash.  They're still in the throes of the "get out of my way or I'll kill your family and eat their hearts" mentality.  If he'd said it was Rossi's fault after the red mist cleared, that's a whole different story.

I don't know...if Bautista didn't see him, and I don't think he did, then it is understandable that he was frustrated with the incident. He did say later that it wasn't either of their fault, but a racing incident.

The Rossi fanboys will likely lay all blame on Bautista, BUT the fact is if you (or Rossi) pass someone on the outside and don't make sure they know you're there, then you shouldn't be surprised to get bumped or run off the track. That isn't saying it was a bad move by Rossi...just that what happened is always a possibility in that situation.

Posting some pictures so that you can judge yourself...but from the overhead, it was very clear that Rossi was far enough ahead to be seen by Bautista. It is also very clear that Bautista strafed to the right HARD. Racing incident? Sure. But still clearly more Bautista's fault that Rossi's.

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I agree...but when Rossi was ahead in your 1st shot Bautista probably was still looking ahead and didn't see him...I'm guessing he was focused on the guy in front of him who he was trying to go to the inside of when he hit Rossi.

As much as this looks like a racing incident to me...Alvaro does have a bit of a habit of this sort of thing.

He skittled Rossi, Hayden and DePuniet? in Valencia 2011.
“Unfortunately Andrea hit my front wheel with his rear tyre and I couldn’t do anything to save the crash. The worst thing was that I hit three other riders and they crashed as well, I am sorry for them and also sorry for the team and all the fans.”

He torpedoed Lorenzo last year in Assen.

With all due respect to #58 AB is trying to out do Simo. Settle down people. It's a long race. [Dolph]

they need to add unicorns to the ducs livery.


that'll make um fast.

with a steel toe boot. That's on fire.   ;) Love the little guy.

Finally saw the race. I dont really think Pedrosa was being defensive. I just think that MM wasnt able to pass him until he did.

I openly admit here in the view of the whole world that I actually like to watch the little cockbag ride but there is just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. I can't even honestly say what it is. Him and Rossi in Qatar was fun to watch.

i'm repeating myself, but that happens a fair amount  =)

 -- if this were any other class we would barely bat an eye at what marquez does.

Did Lorenzo really apologize for not saying excuse me and then for not holding the door open for Douchebot McTeenybopper on the way to the prom?

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/191957/1/mugello_motogp_lorenzo_sorry_for_risky_turn_one_move.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/191957/1/mugello_motogp_lorenzo_sorry_for_risky_turn_one_move.html)

because it would have been INEXCUSABLE if he had touched him.

make the beast with two backsin' lorenzo.

I think he's trying to emphasize his perceived need for "Mother, may I?" passing.

Or he's trying to make Marquez feel guilty.
Which is about as hopeless a task as there is.

dean makes (some of) my point... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jun/130605b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jun/130605b.htm)

How dare that speedy little shit show some sportsmanship. L
We must burn him! He weighs more than a duck! Burn the witch, BURN HIM

Apologizing for a non-incident  [roll]

is this moto gp or a sexual harassment/est seminar?

He's apologizing because he knows how hypocritical it was, in light of his full on meltdown after Marquez played rough with Lorenzo. That's the only reason. Even you know it wasn't about sportsmanship.