Ducati Monster Forum

Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: thorn14 on June 03, 2013, 11:13:30 PM

Title: 620 With Whining Noise (Solved!)
Post by: thorn14 on June 03, 2013, 11:13:30 PM
A couple months ago, a mile from home I started getting heavy vibration and loss of power. It also produced a horrible whine. I've only just got to taking both side covers off and checking for issues. It was leaking oil from the layshaft seal, and I suspect the valve guide seals on my vertical cylinder (both seals were black and I read one was supposed to be green). So the oil level was fairly low.

The loss of power I want to blame on the gas tank I had swapped to because my old one was leaking. I have since changed the filter. But I can't test for loss of power because I can't ride it under the same conditions so this may be a non-issue.

The alternator magnet rotor thing (don't remember the name) that spins with the flywheel was loose and the bolts holding it in were only finger tight. I noticed it wobbled enough to also touch the alternator coils in a few places. I attributed this to the vibrations I was feeling. I also replaced the bearing in the side case as it sounded bad just spinning it slowly.

Last night I fired it up after solving those issues and I still get a loud whine that can be heard inside the house even over the exhaust at idle. I've checked both clutch and alternator/flywheel sides for loose nuts and I get nothing. I did have a silvery sheen to the oil when I drained it which leads me to believe it is aluminum (fine dust).

That is all background, so basically, I'm assuming that a bearing somewhere in the cases is making a racket. Is there a way to pinpoint where the noise is coming from without splitting the cases, or any other places to check? Thanks.

Title: Re: 620 With Whining Noise (Possible Bearing)
Post by: OzzyRob on June 04, 2013, 12:45:51 AM
Thinking aloud again, and really hope I'm off mark.

I'm thinking it could be a main bearing, due to the loose item on the end of the crankshaft.

Can you feel any movement at the fylwheel that shouldn't be there ? ie side to side or up & down ?
Title: Re: 620 With Whining Noise (Possible Bearing)
Post by: SpikeC on June 04, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
 Silvery oil is very bad news. It sounds like tear down time to me.   :'(
Title: Re: 620 With Whining Noise (Possible Bearing)
Post by: thorn14 on November 08, 2013, 04:09:47 PM
Finally got around to solving this issue on the old 620 (aside from swapping in an 800 engine).

On original inspection I never removed the flywheel, only retightened it and proceeded to fire up the bike after checking case bearings.

This time, I took everything off, and now am down to the cases. (Which I can't split easily at all, any tips besides a rubber mallet?)

When taking the flywheel off, I discovered a bunch of fun exciting things.

Not only was the flywheel dug into pretty intensely, when I took the flywheel, and gear off, the bearing that fits inside the gear fell apart with roller pins spilling everywhere. I'm assuming (as now I can't just fire it up) that this was the noise I was hearing. So I'm also going to assume it helped chew up my flywheel, and attributed to the silvery oil.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2845/10750071653_ae538d5e6c_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7331/10750084383_cb8470ee29_z.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/10749892954_7cc77962aa_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/10749898584_7f7f166de4_z.jpg)

This was the only red flag on tear down. Everything else including case bearings seem okie dokie otherwise.
Title: Re: 620 With Whining Noise (Solved!)
Post by: thorn14 on November 14, 2013, 10:05:01 AM
Follow up question.

Is this flywheel able to be used again? Could I machine it down a little to smooth it out? Maybe fit a washer in between the inner mating surface that got ground away and the gear?

Is it safe to sell even? Or do I have a new paperweight?