Ducati Monster Forum

Apparently Mark at Ducpond isn't producing his hyperstacks kit anymore. Which is unfortunate. Is there any other kits out there besides TPO and Waspworks? Waspworks is out of the question due to insane price and I have other things in mind for tuning and the rest of my build.

Does your 1100 have ABS?

Corse Dynamics kit from Motowheels (sponsor)?
TPO kit ok?

Yea..

When I was researching this same topic a while back I discovered ABS was a deal breaker for pod filters.  The ABS control unit that sits right next to the intake makes no room for large K&N style filters.  Everyone that has installed pod filters on the new gens are non-ABS models.  TPO explained to me the only way to do it with the ABS bikes was to use MUCH smaller filters, however their dyno testing showed bikes actually lost power with that setup so they just never offered a version for the ABS bikes period.  You will also have to make a complex bracket to support the battery as well as the ABS control unit as all that mounts onto the airbox.  A potential work around is using straight velocity stacks and using a mesh style sock filter, that would get around the packaging issue but you would still have the bracket issue and who knows if that would lose/gain power?? It would look badass for sure... 

Has there been ANY abs monsters equipped with pod filters. I'll be using DoWorkSon's bracket design and going from there

I'm starting to get annoyed with abs. It's lever feel is shitty and it makes bleeding impossible.

Ok, ABS related packaging issues,. Sounds like you are only left with airbox  filter kits for performance.

 The reason that I went with the 09 1100S was because of the lack of ABS.

Something to note, pod are cool and all (In fact, I have them on my bike) but I've learned that tuning them is a different story. Because of their nature, a bike in motion (lets say going 70 mph) takes in air differently than a bike on a dyno. An airbox helps even out the discrepancies between these two conditions a bit better that pods do.

Just a fair warning. They'll still work but I've had some minor issues with with my TPO beast system. Your results may vary and if you have an PC V w/ autotune setup, this issue may bee moot.

Just something to consider.

To my knowledge no ABS equipped new gen Monster has pod filters.  Doworkson made a great bracket, but it was not intended for ABS bikes.  It will support the battery and ECU tray but has no provisions for the ABS control unit.  Same goes for the Waspworks bracket.  Like I said, between the bracket and lack of room for filters I gave up on the idea and just stuck with MWR drop in filter.

Well where you left off, I'll pick up the torch. I'm doing this for the weight savings, I'm not looking to make CRAZY horsepower with this bike. 100rwhp is my goal, I've heard of hypers making it to 105 with exhaust, pods, and a good tune. From my research this is because the hyper cams are a hotter cam. Possibly putting a set of the hyper DP cams in my monster to get the additional HP.

I'll probably make a new bracket so it holds the abs module. And I would be doing a ecu reflash on top of a pcv for the tuning portion.

^^ This.

My solution was PCV with Autotune.  Works well IMO.

Here's a couple of pics of my set up....  I woulda thought there'd be room to mount ABS gizmometry to the RHS of pods??
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2831/9155988170_0800168284_c.jpg)
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Impressive volume of those pods Ung. I bet the velocity stack is substantial. The bigger the better.  [evil]

For Hypermotards, with the CCW tank, I wonder what is the largest pods/filter combo that would fit?

Maybe a Shorai or somesuch Lithium battery might make some room for ABS unit relocation?

I'll need to tear it down and examine first. Mhanis let me borrow his bracket to try and get replicated but then 2skinny emailed me the CAD file so ill just have the shop cut and bend me one. And once I get my bracket back I'll start mocking stuff up and seeing how to make the ABS module fit.

Very nice. I vowed to tackle this install in the future so I'm glad to see someone else taking the lead! As the saying goes...make it happen' cap'n!

Nick, obviously with the CAD being available we can tweak it as you need to to accommodate the abs module.



In theory it should be pretty easy.


Mark

After looking at the monster parts PDF I don't think this will even be an issue. The ABS servo is not very large at all, and worst case scenario, longer brake lines will be needed to tuck it away just where I need it.

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Reference part 6

^ the ABS module looks smaller in the schematic than it actually is...its approx a 6" cube.  I wouldn't call that small.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/jmlenz/Screenshots_2013-06-28-09-43-11_zpsa3eae3ab.png) (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/jmlenz/media/Screenshots_2013-06-28-09-43-11_zpsa3eae3ab.png.html)
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ABS bikes have smaller gas tanks and airbox due to the heft of the ABS hardware.  Relocating options will be limited to how much slack you have in the pigtail harness (you don't want to cut, splice and extend this), then of course you would need to reroute and/or extend the hard brake lines.  Sounds fun eh?  Your best bet IMO is leave it where it is and use an elbow on the air filter to move it away from the ABS module.  The route that I contemplated was cutting up the airbox; just leaving the structural portion that supports the ECU/Battery/ABS.  This wouldn't look as clean as a custom bracket but it would be much easier - then the only challenge left is fitting the air filters.

 

Another issue I should point out is we found the stock negative ground lead to the battery was too short when all was said and done...

Wow. That'd be a real show stopper, right there.

Seriously though, I'm with Ung, looks like there's gobs of room for the abs kit.

Meh, only just a small hiccup.

It actually looks to sit pretty high up and to the right. I don't think there will be an issue.

Granted, I dont have ABS but someone mentioned going with v stacks..
I have removed my airbox and am using turned aluminum v stacks from Velocity of Sound in Australia.
They are covered with a mesh screen then two layers of gauze both taken from a K&N filter. Securing all that down is a v stack nylon "bootie" from Outerwears (which is lightly oiled). Going with v stacks may open up some room. If at all interested, my filtration is about .004" which is a bit less than baking flour on the micron scale.
That aside, why not just lengthen the wires and move the abs module? Or can it be removed altogether?

I like the idea of pod filter as well. Issues to overcome will these velocity stacks and filters actually increase performance ? Ducati as well as all manufactures go to great lengths to tune the stock airbox for performance, or to cancel out noise or standing wave. Look at WSBK & AMA Superbikes, airbox is still there, I'm sure it's been tweaked for additional performance. 2nd thought would be , Why not remove the ABS actuator and associated electronic module ? Have new brake lines made for the bike, this is fairly straightforward. Non-ABS 1100EVO ? Why not ?

This is something I have actually been tossing around as I absolutely despise the shitty feel at the lever the abs module causes. But at the same time I've been caught in downpours before and I just switch it on and feel a little more comfortable. I'll probably swap out for some aprilia 4 pad calipers to compensate.

As far as the pods I'm mainly doing it to have something a little different than the rest. Plus the weight savings of elongating the airbox and equipment.

Nice, clean work Ung!  [clap]

Those pics are not my actual bike BN, but my WASP setup looks exactly like that (honest  ;D).  I was just too lazy to go upload my own pics.

In my generation of monster, they use the same airbox on every bike from a 400 through to a 1000. I don't imagine the tuning is that delicate.