Ducati Monster Forum

This?

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Or, this?

(http://cdnmedia.endeavorsuite.com/images/catalogs/2519/products/detail/bef867e8-92cc-4da4-afa7-73a0b1d4a100.jpg)

Do I want new-fangled SP or old-fangled SP for about the same price and suspension?

When is that darn duc truck coming around?

For that bike?  Air cooled all the way.  Way more torque low down in the rev-range and MUCH simpler/cheaper maintenance. 

/thread.

If you can find a new air cooled one, it should be a good bit less can't really see paying about the same. The new has ABS, ride my wire on the fly map changes and some other electronic farkles.

All that said, the air cooled version is probably the proper version of this bike - it's a hooligan tool and the air cooled plant suits it better

But, it's gotta cost less!

This is a big factor for me.


For the SP I'm getting quotes for about $200 - $300 less. Maybe I'll try to haggle a bit.

I say....buy what makes you smile more!

Which would be the air cooled bike, as the cheaper maintenance leads to more gas money.   ;D

An 1100 Sp for a couple hundred less than the 821 SP? That's not right

I bet the 821 is lighter and smoother and punchier than we all think in comparo to the 1100

They increased the seat height on the new model even more from what Ive read.

Lighter by 1kg. The 821 is rated at 110 Hp vs the 97 of the 110, but gives up 14 Nm of torque in the bargain. The new plant does spin up higher of course

A customer brought in an 821 for lowering, as they were 5'4".

I sat on it, and could just flat foot it both sides.
I'm 6'1".
It's quite tall for a street bike.

I rode it a bit, just city streets for a mile maybe.
The cable clutch had an easy pull, but absolutely zero feel.
Stalled it 4x trying to get away from stops.
The FBW throttle assembly feels odd, very different spring feel from usual cable/TB or cable/carb.
The computer was doing things in the background with the throttle.
Perhaps I'd get used to it over time, but my first impression wasn't good.

Ride one before you buy.

Yeah, I am hopeful the duc truck comes around soon. But I risk losing the opportunity to buy a 1100 EVO SP (new) while I wait.

I don't consider myself a Luddite, but I'm adverse to TC and ABS and Power Modes. I like bikes for what they are and learning to ride each one based on its purpose and character. Electronics rob me of this opportunity.

Did I just make a decision? Let's see what tomorrow brings...

Rather seems so.

Agreed. TC I'm OK with, but ABS - I dunno. Fly-by-wire - I really don't know. While I like all the technology being put into bikes every year, I can't help but wonder what happens when you break down and what are the maint. costs? An extra cable, etc. can be carried on you or easily had / replaced, but an ECU + wiring harness + etc etc?

Plus, as motorcycles get more and more high tech, will they become boring? Probably not, but then...

Rode with a guy on an MV F4RR last summer and saw his traction control go nuts while the bike was cranked over in a turn.  It didn't seem very boring for him when TC went on/off/on/off as he got on the throttle.   ;D

The ability to swap throttle maps is cool and can be handy. The 690 has a selector under the seat that allows me/one to select from 3 maps. One's set up for mellow street that requires more initial twist of the throttle at low RPMs, one that's sporty basically a linear translation of the twist of the tube, and a 'soft' one for real slipper stuff that blunts the response and max throttle position.

ABS while proven to allow meny to stop faster, does haul a bike down more slowly than a skilled rider with normal brakes can.

I would wait until the 4 valve Monster is available and then buy the 1290 StuporDuke.

Another one to consider would  be the RSV4APRC tu-o-no at12995.

AF1 also has RSV4s still in the box for 12,695.

I know you're looking for something Mo'Tarded, but...

(http://mototribu.com/constructeur/aprilia/2011/rsv4r_aprc/wallpaper/originalimages/aprilia_rsv4r_aprc_2011_038.jpg)

For the MUTHAFUGGINWIN!!!!

Funny to think that I had an offer on the SC that would have allowed me to pay cash for that Ape and still had some left over...

I'm at Ducpond...

Cue tension-building music...

Tension Build Up Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-r_vLYaaP4#)

Found this on CL :  2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100 - $8500 (Mclean, Virginia) http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/3876228643.html (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/mcy/3876228643.html)  [evil]

Traded some notes with B over the weekend and he's looking for the nicer suspension of the S or SP. There's a 0 mile 1100 SP Corse on ebay, from some dealer in Holland NY that I sent him.

I know he did some bad touch with the base 821 over the weekend.

Yeah, sorry. Ran out of time to report back...

I demo'd the standard 821 late on Saturday. I had been out on the R1 all day so was feeling exhausted, but the hyper was pretty much like sitting on a couch. The ergos are a bit different from the older gen (from what I remember). A bit more upright and the pegs are a bit more forward. Comfortable.

The clutch is super light as others have reported. There's almost no friction zone and you have to give it some throttle on takeoff. Took some getting used to. Could be good in stop-n-go traffic, though.

The engine vibes like a duc v-twin but spins up faster and revs higher. My brain had only the S2R1000 for reference. I tried all 3 engine maps. The urban setting would be good where the asphalt ends, but is useless otherwise. Touring mode could be good for rain; the power is all there but the engine is slower to respond. I kept it in sport mode mostly and found it had more than enough power for my needs. Of course, I didn't get a chance to check out the ABS or traction control. Just chased Chad around some country roads for a while.

The suspension was good in back but the front dives too much. I'd definitely splurge for the SP for full adjustment. I think the engine maps are different on the SP, too.

Some other things worth noting: The mirrors are useless. The kickstand is a challenge to put down when on the bike; it needs a dohicky thing to grab with your toe. It sounds damn good with the stock exhaust. It's effortless to turn at any speed.

Overall, I had a smile on my face but wasn't inspired enough for a trip to the bank. Don't get me wrong - it's fun as hell - but I'm hesitant to pull the trigger. The next shipment of SPs is on the way to Ducpond so I'll head back out there for another demo.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to score a demo on an 1100 EVO SP at Coleman.

I am thinking about KTM, too.


That's a purdy bike. The ergos are probably kinder than your SC, too.

Lars' tip on AF1 got me thinking Dorsoduro, though. The 750 is on par with the new hyper in terms of power and technology, but a few grand less.

You can quiz Randy and get his feelings on the Duro 750

Yup.  He'll swear you off of an Ape though, based on the lack of support in this area alone.  Now as far as that RSV4 goes...  That thing is one bad mamma jamma!  I demo'd one last year and it pretty much knocked my socks off.  Here's a quick review that I put together on it:

perhaps to save some coin....get potomacduc's 04 Strada 1000DS the is selling and customize it a bit?

I've always been fond of the Monstrada!

(http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/BOMb/009/bomb001.jpg)

I like this one mo bettah:

(http://il-ducatista.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ms1000-biuta-01.png)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ducati-Multistrada-Biuta-20.jpg)
(http://www.indomotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ms1000-biuta-01-220612.jpg)
(http://worldtuningfans.com/Motorcycle/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ducati-multistrada-2.jpg)

oh ma gudness that blue hyper is sex

That actually started life as a Multi strada 1000 or 1100

ah the frame looks strikingly similar to the 1100 hyper