Ducati Monster Forum

So I had to have the bike inspected yesterday ( [leo] [bang]) and was pulled up a couple of issues. Apparently my CRG Lane Splitters are too small, my new indicators from Monster Parts aren't orange enough and they also claimed the bike should not start with the kickstand down (irrespective of whether it's in neutral or not).

Now, the kickstand issue I have sorted - I've dug out the relevant ADR and will take it with me to staple to his fat head when I go back. I've also got the stock indicators lying around. I'm a little stuck on the mirrors though, as my left stock mirror has a nice big crack down the centre.

...I don't suppose I might be able to borrow a pair of stock S2R mirrors from you fine (Sydney) people? Payment in pastries or beer or whatever the DMF currency is will be made  :)

Got mirrors if you want to borrow. I'm in hornsby

Do you need a left mirror?

Never mind that the view via your CRGs is probably much better than a stock mirror.

What does the ADR stipulate for engine start kickstand down??

is the kickstand issue documented anywhere or its just waht he said ?

I would consider lodging a complaint to the relevant dept that an inspector they are using doesnt know his
head from his arse

That'd be great thanks. I won't be heading back for a couple of weeks (work and other commitments), but I'll shoot you a PM to organise a time to pickup.

Ung, the ADR states:

"A side or centre stand shall be connected so that the ignition system can only be activated with the stand in the riding position, or an audible and visible warning system is activated when the ignition is switched on, or be connected in such a way that the motorcycle cannot be operated under its own power unless the stand is retracted"

In the case of my bike (and I'm going to assume all monsters?), the bike can start with the stand down provided you're in neutral, but if you select a gear with the stand down, it'll cut the engine, meeting the 3rd criteria.

Was this for a blue slip ?

If not thats really harsh the fella I go to looks at the odometer and signs the form thats it !
pay the money and see ya next year.
 if you want his details.
p.m.  me Im in Sydney

Yep that is what my S2R does.  I would dare say other models of motorcycles would comply with the same safety rule there.  Would be interesting watching that inspector try and defect other models for the same thing.

Thanks for that.

Mine's no different from yours mate, that's how it came from the factory.

Got mirrors, in the city.
Let me know.

.. oh, and regarding "not orange enough", what criteria is he going off?

No idea mate.

He said that when viewed from a distance, at a particular angle, the light could appear a bit more 'white-ish'.  ???

So the degree of how orange light output is... is just.... what.....  opinion??   If a vehicle is gonna be cited for a defect....  ought there not be some criteria against which it must fail to measure up??  [bang]

And if there's a standard for the emitted light chromaticity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromaticity), then devices exist to measure this  >>  Chroma Meter (http://www.isuzuoptics.com.tw/product/CS100.htm)

I think its not orange enough.
I think its not supposed to start with the side stand down (despite the design regulations being quite clear about what condition(s) the motor can be started under).

Being defected for a defect is one thing.  Tail chop... loud exhaust...  integrated tail light... we all know the rules....  but since we're expected to run by the rules, then the vehicle inspecting agencies ought to bloody well know what the rules are too and apply them using some objective criteria not just poorly informed opinion!   [bang]

Grrrrr  >:(

Wayne, give me a buzz, will catch up and find someone half decent to take your bike to.


On the other topic - would be interested to know what the ADR says about indicator colour.

Wow what a tosser, whereabouts was this guy???

I might be mistaken but if the inspection has already started at one place it has to go back to the same place to be completed.  ???

only if they have started the paperwork trail

Yep of course.
I was mentioning because of exactly that.
If the paper work has been started, you'll be stuck going back there.

All electronic now so could be a problem  ???
But nothing to lose buy going else were, and play dumb  :-X
Done it before , though i am an expert at being dumb. [shot]
What are the Rta going to do ,nothing :P
 just make up bull shit wasn't covienient to go back to that guy due to work commitments you will think of something  :D

Absolutely. I was very frustrated when registering my bike here to be told "I don't reckon your blinkers are big enough" when I'd very carefully ensured they were compliant with the ADRs.  Separated by 300, bright enough to be seen from the required distance etc. the ADRs don't mention size, which is perfectly reasonable because its the intensity and beam pattern that matters, all indicators look like a point source from 50m.

If someone does want a minimum bloody size, then put it in the bloody ADRs, so we can use a ruler and not subjective assessment.

Engineers Unite!

previously when they had the paper pad they could start writing it out

now with the computer they are more likely to write down details on a scrap of paper and then go in and
punch it in the computer

so the chance of them starting the papertrail is near SFA

I had my re-inspection yesterday and...passed!

But not without having to argue with the numb skulls. [bang] I was able to stay with the bike for the re-assessment, so was talking the guy through what I was doing to demonstrate the kickstand switch was working. I said "Ok, so the stand is down, the bike is in neutral, it will start" and he replied with a "No, it shouldn't". After a brief argument, I quoted the ADRs and got a "hmm, I guess the rules are different for these bikes". WTF ???

I'll be writing in a letter of complaint. Why are these blokes inspecting bikes if they don't know the first thing about them...

Thanks to those who offered to lend mirrors etc. I ended up borrowing a pair of mirrors and indicators from Wells, who it turns out lives just up the road from me. Every cloud has a silver lining - we're going to tee up some rides.  [thumbsup]

 [thumbsup]
Good work mate.
Happy times!  [Dolph]