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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: memper on September 25, 2013, 01:21:07 PM

Title: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 25, 2013, 01:21:07 PM
A while back I went to the track and afterward my oil reeked of gasoline. I attributed that to running the bike hard, using race gas (the only gas my brother had on hand) and carbs set a bit too rich.

So a few weeks ago I drained most of the gas (about 80% and replaced with 87) and put in new oil and a filter.

At that time I leaned out my floats a tad.

Just today out of curiosity I did an odor check in the oil filler and there was a mild gasoline smell. Plugs and filler cap are pulled in the hopes that some of the gas might evaporate.

Possible causes?
- Float still too high?
- Left over race gas in there?
- Stuck needle? (Ethanol sludge buildup maybe)
- Worn rings?
- Worn intake valve seats?
- Intake valves too loose?
- Oil level too high? (level is at top line. Not sure if this can even be related but...)
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: ducpainter on September 25, 2013, 02:56:48 PM
Do you shut off the fuel when it's parked?
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 25, 2013, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 25, 2013, 02:56:48 PM
Do you shut off the fuel when it's parked?
Every time.
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: ducpainter on September 25, 2013, 03:03:34 PM
Does the oil get dark very quickly?
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 25, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
I will get back to you on that question tomorrow when I drain a bit of the gas to correct level.
Not gonna drain it all until I sort this out. Or if there is any trace of gas should I bin the oil?
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: ducpainter on September 25, 2013, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: memper on September 25, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
I will get back to you on that question tomorrow when I drain a bit of the gas to correct level.
Not gonna drain it all until I sort this out. Or if there is any trace of gas should I bin the oil?
Combustion by products will smell gassy.

I wouldn't bin the oil unless you determine that raw fuel is getting in the crankcase.
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 25, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
Sound advice. I guess after the state of my oil from the last change I might be a bit paranoid that something's wrong.
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: Howie on September 25, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
- Float still too high?  Possible.  Still got the Mikunis?  Float height should be 14 mm.  http://www.ehow.com/how_7792282_set-height-mikuni-cv-carburetor.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_7792282_set-height-mikuni-cv-carburetor.html)
- Left over race gas in there?  If you changed the oil after that I doubt it.
- Stuck needle? (Ethanol sludge buildup maybe)  If the bike runs tolerably well, no.
- Worn rings?  A compression or leak down test will confirm that.
- Worn intake valve seats?  They would need to be worn enough to prevent the valve to properly seat and the bike would run poorly.  Possible but doubtful.
- Intake valves too loose?  I assume you mean guides?  See above and add excessive smoke and oil consumption.
- Oil level too high? (level is at top line. Not sure if this can even be related but...)  No, but that will cause other problems.

I would guess either your floats are too high or if you have the stock carbs fuel leakage from the cold start enrichment jet.

Quote from: ducpainter on September 25, 2013, 03:54:46 PM
Combustion by products will smell gassy.

I wouldn't bin the oil unless you determine that raw fuel is getting in the crankcase.

Since we can't feel or smell the oil over the interwebs. I suggest a compromise.  Cheap dino oil 'til this is sorted out.
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 26, 2013, 05:42:45 AM
Thanks so much for the answers.
Gonna go drain some oil and check my float levels again. BTW I am running flatslides.
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: ducpainter on September 26, 2013, 05:57:37 AM
Quote from: memper on September 26, 2013, 05:42:45 AM
Thanks so much for the answers.
Gonna go drain some oil and check my float levels again. BTW I am running flatslides.
Is the oil level rising?
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 26, 2013, 04:42:51 PM
Level does not appear to be rising. Removed a couple/few ounces so the cold level reading was in the middle. Color was golden, maybe a shade darker than new.

Checked float levels. Way off. I had a hunch bc when I last set them I was in a rush. Reset to 8mm.

I'm guessing that this was my issue. Gonna run it and report back if the oil gets stinkier. At this point I'd say the odor is a 2 out of 10 with my nose basically in the filler.

Edit* woops. Seems baseline is 9mm. Perhaps I should make them 10mm.  [shot]
Title: Re: Gassy oil
Post by: memper on September 28, 2013, 11:07:49 AM
Changed float level to 10mm. Riding seems smoother at idle and low rpm. Smell at stops is significantly less. But now intermittent pops at 3/4 throttle. Probably solved by moving the clips down one slot.
Smelled the oil this morning (did some moderately spirited city riding last night) and the smell is definitely less.
Thx y'all.  [bacon]