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Title: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on October 31, 2013, 08:07:03 PM
So I do like my Termis but I am contemplating going with the Shift-Tech GP2 carbon fiber slip on. Really love the way it looks/sounds and opens up the back wheel.  I would keep my Race ECU and filter.  I know most of you probably think I am crazy for considering this but I like to switch things up.  I don't even know what i should ask for just the pipes without ECU and filter.  Any ideas?  I thought i saw a post on here (termis for sale w/o filter and ecu) but could not find it when i searched. 

As she sits now:
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/IMG_2860_zpsdf50c274.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/IMG_2860_zpsdf50c274.jpg.html)

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/IMG_2864_zpsc68f25bd.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/IMG_2864_zpsc68f25bd.jpg.html)



And the shift tech 1100evo:
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/999_0_zps1bf3ab40.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/999_0_zps1bf3ab40.jpg.html)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/999_1_zps1fa1ff42.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/999_1_zps1fa1ff42.jpg.html)


http://youtu.be/VKU5lGXuczY (http://youtu.be/VKU5lGXuczY)


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: ungeheuer on November 01, 2013, 04:26:40 AM

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/IMG_2860_zpsdf50c274.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/IMG_2860_zpsdf50c274.jpg.html)
[thumbsup]

(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o688/Dextermorgan10/999_0_zps1bf3ab40.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dextermorgan10/media/999_0_zps1bf3ab40.jpg.html)
   [puke]

You wanna open up the rear wheel, go the Spark  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: ChrisK on November 01, 2013, 05:42:29 AM
I've always like the way the Competition Werkes GP cans look.  [coffee]


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 01, 2013, 06:19:17 AM
Those are both options I have considered as well....


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: stopintime on November 01, 2013, 07:52:47 AM
Bye bye rumble bass  [thumbsdown]

It looks ok, but the sound is not how I like it.



Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: Skybarney on November 01, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
^^ +1  One short can will not make that soul stirring deep sound that the Termi's will.  Gonna sound like a SV 650 with that pipe.  :P


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 01, 2013, 07:46:47 PM
So torn....has anyone here actually heard the GP2 in person?


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: geoffduc on November 02, 2013, 01:11:34 AM
So torn....has anyone here actually heard the GP2 in person?

No but I've heard the sound and seen the quality of Spark on an 1100 EVO and as you guys say "it's awesome"... [bow_down]

Oh Adam that single shorty can don't look right... [thumbsdown]

just my 2 cents.

Geoff... [coffee]


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: oldndumb on November 02, 2013, 08:33:23 AM
Dexter, just buy the one that you instinctively like and ignore other people's opinions re appearance, etc. Your opinion is the only one that counts.

I run the CW can and am quite pleased with it. That is my bike in most of the Monster pics for CW cans. The original owner installed it, but I had already made my mind up to go that route before bike shopping.

From personal experience with under seat exhausts, I would not have one again. Not only does it add weight above the CG, it can be warmer in city riding in the Summer. But if that is the style you like, by all means go for it.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 02, 2013, 01:07:05 PM
Dexter, just buy the one that you instinctively like and ignore other people's opinions re appearance, etc. Your opinion is the only one that counts.

I run the CW can and am quite pleased with it. That is my bike in most of the Monster pics for CW cans. The original owner installed it, but I had already made my mind up to go that route before bike shopping.

From personal experience with under seat exhausts, I would not have one again. Not only does it add weight above the CG, it can be warmer in city riding in the Summer. But if that is the style you like, by all means go for it.

I agree, I am not swayed, I am still sticking with one of my original choices.   [thumbsup]

Does anyone own the CW pipe in Cobra black or black velvet?  Those are the two i am deciding on now.  The stock pics dont do the colors much justice if they aren't on the bike.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: oldndumb on November 02, 2013, 01:52:34 PM
Just in case you haven't already seen these. Not many Monsters in the lot, but it does give you something to go refer to.

https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=competiton%20werks%20exhaust&tbs=imgo:1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=luk77PxlcqIiwM%3A%3BK0gyLLV8YW3MdM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ducati.ms%252Fforums%252Fattachments%252Fstreetfighter%252F63818d1267666869-competition-werkes-exhaust-sf-dsc00467small.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ducati.ms%252Fforums%252F138-streetfighter%252F81846-competition-werkes-exhaust-sf-2.html%3B1024%3B768 (https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=competiton%20werks%20exhaust&tbs=imgo:1#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=luk77PxlcqIiwM%3A%3BK0gyLLV8YW3MdM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ducati.ms%252Fforums%252Fattachments%252Fstreetfighter%252F63818d1267666869-competition-werkes-exhaust-sf-dsc00467small.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ducati.ms%252Fforums%252F138-streetfighter%252F81846-competition-werkes-exhaust-sf-2.html%3B1024%3B768)


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: Skybarney on November 02, 2013, 03:57:37 PM
Just a thought, don't know if you ever plan on rearsets but if you do it looks like that GP can clamps to the stock heel guard in the pictures.  As I have learned the hard way, not all accessories work together.....


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: SpikeC on November 02, 2013, 04:23:18 PM
 I liked the way the Termignoni muff for the BMW s1000RR worked on someone's bike.....


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 02, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
Just a thought, don't know if you ever plan on rearsets but if you do it looks like that GP can clamps to the stock heel guard in the pictures.  As I have learned the hard way, not all accessories work together.....

I did notice that as well.  I am going to stay stock on rear sets.



Spike, I think it was Nick's bike on here thst had that.  I liked that one, just not as much as the shift tech & CW.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: oldndumb on November 02, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
Dexter, if you go with a GP style don't worry about the mount. Very easy to fab one to attach to the rear set at the MC fastener locations. In fact, so easy even a golfer could do it.  :)


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 02, 2013, 07:00:47 PM
Haha good looking out.   [thumbsup]

Thank you! 


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: EEL on November 03, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
I ran into the same problem about 4 years ago with my Ducati S2R 800. I had Arrow Shotgun pipes (full system). I liked the look of the Boomtube exhaust system.

Ended up getting the exhaust. The sound is nowhere near as good as the Arrow and the power is slightly reduced. That said, nitpicking on HP numbers for a 2V monster is like turbocharging a pinto. You can do it but whats the point. If you wanted HP you shouldn't have bought a 2V monster in the first place. Handling (during turns) was noticeably more consistent.

Also for me I put at least 7-8k miles per year my the bike. This means a lot of tire changes. And advantage of a shorty is that you dont have to waste huge amounts of time taking exhaust components off just to get the wheel off the bike. Seems kinda stupid they designed it that way in the first place. Probably better off with a double sided.
 
That's my .02. I'm kind of a practical person.

Beware that shorty's will require more engine mods. If you dont have a PC-V or a flashed ECU. I wouldn't bother.



Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 03, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
I ran into the same problem about 4 years ago with my Ducati S2R 800. I had Arrow Shotgun pipes (full system). I liked the look of the Boomtube exhaust system.

Ended up getting the exhaust. The sound is nowhere near as good as the Arrow and the power is slightly reduced. That said, nitpicking on HP numbers for a 2V monster is like turbocharging a pinto. You can do it but whats the point. If you wanted HP you shouldn't have bought a 2V monster in the first place. Handling (during turns) was noticeably more consistent.

Also for me I put at least 7-8k miles per year my the bike. This means a lot of tire changes. And advantage of a shorty is that you dont have to waste huge amounts of time taking exhaust components off just to get the wheel off the bike. Seems kinda stupid they designed it that way in the first place. Probably better off with a double sided.
 
That's my .02. I'm kind of a practical person.

Beware that shorty's will require more engine mods. If you dont have a PC-V or a flashed ECU. I wouldn't bother.



I am keeping the DP race ECU I got with the Termis.  I am going to buy a PC-V and have the bike Dyno tuned come spring.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: stopintime on November 03, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
I am keeping the DP race ECU I got with the Termis.  I am going to buy a PC-V and have the bike Dyno tuned come spring.

Open the intake at the same time  8)

http://www.ducati-kaemna.com/tuning/best-practice/2-valve-tuning/monster-1100 (http://www.ducati-kaemna.com/tuning/best-practice/2-valve-tuning/monster-1100)


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 03, 2013, 04:54:25 PM
Open the intake at the same time  8)

http://www.ducati-kaemna.com/tuning/best-practice/2-valve-tuning/monster-1100 (http://www.ducati-kaemna.com/tuning/best-practice/2-valve-tuning/monster-1100)

I couldn't understand a word on that website.   [laugh]


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: Pedro-bot on November 03, 2013, 04:55:52 PM
I couldn't understand a word on that website.   [laugh]

Same problem here.

SIT, is there a particular exhaust you want to point out? I'm not sure that link takes us directly to it.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 03, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
I think he wanted to show the open intake?  Maybe...


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: oldndumb on November 03, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
I think he wanted to show the open intake?  Maybe...

That is what I surmised also when looking at the MWR air box and filter mod picture. I have the same set up except I made my own pieces. I strongly suggest that anyone contemplating similar to definitely install a Power Commander first.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 03, 2013, 07:53:43 PM
Yeah, the PC-V and dyno tune are in order regardless of what I decide to do with the cans.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: stopintime on November 04, 2013, 12:56:15 AM
The example is an 1100, not an Evo. The Evo has been tuned a little from the factory and won't react the same way.

I don't know if the Akrapovic exhaust is the main reason for the huge power increase, but if it is - it probably has something to do with them being dual, large and less restrictive. How well a small single exhaust will do isn't obvious.

I believe the best improvement will come from a harmonious package air/combustion/exhaust. Usually, that means open intake, fueling (PC or similar) and better exhaust flow.

If the Akrapovic isn't the main reason, then it's a combination of the larger intake and a very good Dyno job.

It would be extremely interesting if you have it Dyno'ed before anything is changed, then tuned with an opened airbox and a PC5.... and finally with a small single exhaust.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: ungeheuer on November 04, 2013, 01:45:09 AM
I believe the best improvement will come from a harmonious package air/combustion/exhaust. Usually, that means open intake, fueling (PC or similar) and better exhaust flow.
+1

It would be extremely interesting if you have it Dyno'ed before anything is changed, then tuned with an opened airbox and a PC5.....
Wish I'd had the foresight to do that.


Title: Re: Maybe a shorty?
Post by: DexterMorgan on November 05, 2013, 10:58:26 AM
+1
Wish I'd had the foresight to do that.

I might just do that!!


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