Stopped in over here to see if I could find anything out about this. Seems very wrong to us 'Mericans.
http://motorbikewriter.com/2013/10/31/meeting-with-police-minister-on-anti-bikie-laws/ (http://motorbikewriter.com/2013/10/31/meeting-with-police-minister-on-anti-bikie-laws/)
It's a bit difficult to discuss without breaching Forum rules regarding politics and policing.
There have been a few lightly veiled reference in threads but mostly with the purpose of laughing off the absurdity of it.
Riding in Australia is probably motivated by similar thinking to the US (as opposed to European or Asian practicalities or necessities) so you can imagine some of the circumstances that will arrive:
- Picture a known bike riding road which sees very little four (or more) wheeled traffic
- A group of completely un-associated riders 'bunch-up' as a slow/novice rider stems the traffic flow
- Overtaking is not an option because a winding 'bikers' road has few, legal, overtaking options
- As this 'group' is riding 'together' they are 'targeted' as they pull into a remote coffee stop
- This dangerous collection of riders, on the following bikes, files in: scooter, metric cruiser, vintage european, custom cruiser, commuter, sports bike, MP3, exotic european (that would be the Monster), dual sport, learner legal, vintage scooter, motard and the elderly couple on the Gold Wing
- Surely these people should not be allowed to associate the way that they have and police need to act
How can you not laugh at that situation?
Interestingly the Queensland OzMos are planning a group ride for the first time in a long time just as these laws are being put in to practice. Somebody had better contact that non-existent hotline mentioned in the article linked above before you illegally 'associate'.
Quote from: Betty on November 03, 2013, 04:21:28 PM
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This dangerous collection of riders, on the following bikes, files in: scooter, metric cruiser, vintage european, custom cruiser, commuter, sports bike, MP3, exotic european (that would be the Monster), dual sport, learner legal, vintage scooter, motard and the elderly couple on the Gold Wing
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You bought a Gold Wing ???
Quote from: stopintime on November 03, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
You bought a Gold Wing ???
I may be old ... but I'm not
that old ... the Boss on the other hand :-\ (is there a duck & cover smiley?) :-X
We are more likely to be two-up on the 1965 scooter with 150cc of raw power ... clearly outlaws with aims to intimidate out on the road.
Quote from: Betty on November 03, 2013, 04:21:28 PM
It's a bit difficult to discuss without breaching Forum rules regarding politics and policing.
Hmmm... you are probably right. Maybe I should not have started this topic. If anyone would like to PM me with info,opinions or rumors please feel free to do so.
Thanks.
Quote from: stopintime on November 03, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
You bought a Gold Wing ???
You're on thin ice there Lars... [roll]
Geoff... [coffee]
I very much admire your guys ability to keep a sense of humor about a bad situation. I would probably get pulled over, mouth off and end up behind bars.
The crimes act deals adequately with crime and criminal behaviour. Laws that target you for the vehicle you ride/drive and are dressed up as anti-gang laws are a concern. Just make sure if you come riding in Qld that you only come in pairs as three or more will result in stop&search and could get you 18 months in jail. Perhaps Nissan Pulsar drivers will be the next ones targeted as I once saw a Hell's Angel driving a Pulsar. Anyway apparently as long as when you are stopped you give the police full details of your name, the address you have been, the address you are heading to, who you are associating with, what your employment is and what you had for breakfast you will be free to continue on your ride.
At the risk of breaching the "no politics" rules of the board, here is my take...
Queensland is moving closer to a totalitarian state. Forget about bikies for a moment as the laws apply to everyone and some parts don't even mention bikies. They have the potential to apply to any clubs or organisations. They have started with the bikies because the general public are unlikely to have any sympathy with them being targeted. They could just as easily apply to football clubs or environmental groups or anyone else the gov doesn't like. I suspect they will be widely used in the lead up to the G20 meeting to crack down on any protests or opposition.
The main reason for offence is that they restrict freedom of association. It is now a crime for people to associate with certain others and that carries a minimum 6 month jail term. There is a presumption against bail if they suspect you are a gang member (even if you aren't). All bail hearings will now go through the one magistrate who will tow the gov line. There are lots more offensive parts to these laws but this is probably not the place for it.
It is a total abuse of power and attack on basic freedoms behind a thinly veiled law and order crackdown.
Not just Queensland Techno, in one way or another its the same in every state and every country. Ever heard of the NSA ? 'cause sure as eggs they have heard everything of you. [laugh]
On our recent ride to Phillip Island we were twice radar speed checked then pulled over despite being under the speed limit. Our licences were checked then they wrote down our names, licence and rego numbers on a notepad. I found it really disturbing and annoying that they would do this. When I asked why, they said it was just to show the boss they were on the job, this information would not be recorded anywhere else, it was to remind them of whom they spoke to that day in case of any complaints etc etc. I don't believe any of it and I really hate the way things are going.
I heard through the grape vine that a high ranking police officer wandered into QLD's number 1 harley stealership on the weekend and and said if out on a 'HOG' social ride where there could be hundreds of participants you will not be targeted unless your wearing "colours". Interesting.
There appears to be a few minor errors, but this is an interesting read (posted as a 'public service announcement' / 'awareness campaign' only of course):
http://www.guestlawyers.com.au/index.php/blog/are-you-a-vicious-lawless-associate.html (http://www.guestlawyers.com.au/index.php/blog/are-you-a-vicious-lawless-associate.html)
Wow Betty. This is absolutely incredible. I can't believe the public supports this. Any club or organization. A rugby club, car club, knitting circle or Boy Scouts. This sets a dangerous precedent and must be challenged in the highest court. In America you are arrested and tried according to the alleged crime. Even if you are a member of the Mafia, it is the crime you commit that determines your fate not the membership.
This VLAD Act is all so very wrong. You guys MUST not just roll over and accept it.
Good luck to all.
There's relevant views in this thread but the one thing most people who live outside australia don't understand is our laid back, apathetic view of life, i'll probably offend a few by saying this but it's the few that understand and have already posted that fall outside the many, the "she'll be right mate" attitude of most aussies is what the politicians use against us, it's rare, very rare, that the public will band together and protest unless those members of the public are directly effected. The spin doctors have done a good job of convincing the average law abiding citizen that speeding is a capital offense, and wearing club colours is the equivalent of being an axe murderer, the mere fact the government is passing laws that seriously encroach on our way of life, removing our ability to associate with whomever we want lest we plot to assassinate one certain meglomaniacal narcissist is portrayed as paranoia by those who have something to hide.
What concerns me more than all of that though is the civil libertarians who are usually outraged and looking for vocal soundbites on the 6pm news whenever a real criminal (read rapist, sex offender etc) is mistreated or whatever are very conspicuous by their silence and lack of public outrage on this issue.
I guess it will take someones golf club to be raided before people with real clout get vocal, and that won't happen any time soon.....
... and therein lies the beauty of the thing (from the point of view of powers that be)
Quote from: loony888 on December 22, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
I guess it will take someones golf club to be raided before people with real clout get vocal, and that won't happen any time soon.....
... but if a couple of blokes from a footy club get in a punch-up ... look out - they had it coming anyway
Quote from: loony888 on December 22, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
There's relevant views in this thread but the one thing most people who live outside australia don't understand is our laid back, apathetic view of life, i'll probably offend a few by saying this but it's the few that understand and have already posted that fall outside the many, the "she'll be right mate" attitude of most aussies is what the politicians use against us, it's rare, very rare, that the public will band together and protest unless those members of the public are directly effected. The spin doctors have done a good job of convincing the average law abiding citizen that speeding is a capital offense, and wearing club colours is the equivalent of being an axe murderer, the mere fact the government is passing laws that seriously encroach on our way of life, removing our ability to associate with whomever we want lest we plot to assassinate one certain meglomaniacal narcissist is portrayed as paranoia by those who have something to hide.
What concerns me more than all of that though is the civil libertarians who are usually outraged and looking for vocal soundbites on the 6pm news whenever a real criminal (read rapist, sex offender etc) is mistreated or whatever are very conspicuous by their silence and lack of public outrage on this issue.
I guess it will take someones golf club to be raided before people with real clout get vocal, and that won't happen any time soon.....
What he said [thumbsup]
yep we are bloody sheep and like getting asss raped its all u city folk fault u hold the votes [cheeky]
Hows this from another forum I frequent - Got pinged 1km over the speed limit following a cop car.
(http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=66293.0;attach=1623;image)
I sold my harley because I was sick of being pulled over for nothing. This country is in trouble if these laws pass..no more than a group of 3 riders it's out of control. Is a blanket law to protect who?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20650197/motorcyclist-fined-for-stretching/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20650197/motorcyclist-fined-for-stretching/)
check out the shiiit above [leo]
I think I'd be taking that one straight to court.
How stupid is that! [roll]
I would love to know if that code on the ticket is actually a code for taking your feet off the pegs or something else.
(http://www.epiccarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/motorbike-fine-copy.jpg)
I think we should ban all Queenslanders from this forum in case we're found guilty by association.
that's probably not an unfair suggestion given the broad brush the bikie association laws were written with... [bang]
Quote from: ungeheuer on January 10, 2014, 05:16:28 AM
I think we should ban all Queenslanders from this forum in case we're found guilty by association.
But were will it end? Will be banning Victorians next just because there football sucks ;D. ???
Supposed to be a democracy, so get the vote going Unge :D
That video doesn't show what, if anything, he may have done before the recording started. Five coppers don't just show up out of no where when you're at a servo, minding your own business. Doesn't help being belligerent when you're dealing with them either.
Having looked at his club's website, they also link to the websites of various OMCGs. If you're a social club, trying to avoid trouble, why associate yourself with those types?
I don't think these new association laws are good & I'm not arguing for them, but it's no secret that OMCGs are filled with criminals, and I have no issues with police targetting them. If you want to dress up and pretend to be a 1%er, don't be surprised when you're pulled over? [coffee]
QuoteI don't think these new association laws are good & I'm not arguing for them, but it's no secret that OMCGs are filled with criminals, and I have no issues with police targetting them. If you want to dress up and pretend to be a 1%er, don't be surprised when you're pulled over? coffee
Well if that's the case (OMCGs are filled with criminals) then they should be targetting the criminals, and the crimes they commit, not that they belong to a club.
Quote from: rendang on January 12, 2014, 10:15:18 PM
Well if that's the case (OMCGs are filled with criminals) then they should be targetting the criminals, and the crimes they commit, not that they belong to a club.
Police have always targeted organised crime gangs, that's nothing new. And so they should.
I hope everyone reads this.
http://www.guestlawyers.com.au/index.php/blog/are-you-a-vicious-lawless-associate.html (http://www.guestlawyers.com.au/index.php/blog/are-you-a-vicious-lawless-associate.html)
That is seriously scary, and while all this has been passed where are the civil libertarians that are usually whining about peoples rights being ignored? people like sex offenders etc.
I hope anyone planning on protesting at the G20 summit reads that!
Quote from: WayneR on January 12, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
That video doesn't show what, if anything, he may have done before the recording started. Five coppers don't just show up out of no where when you're at a servo, minding your own business. Doesn't help being belligerent when you're dealing with them either.
You have to be kidding. I have ridden motorcycles for over 35 years and never been a member of an outlaw gang nor do I support them. I fully endorse the police targetting criminals but the crimes act already provided police with the power to arrest drug dealers, burglars, rapists, murderers etc. Never since Adolf Hitler has there been a country that had laws that were set against a class of people purely for their race, religion or beliefs. They target anyone now riding a Harley wearing a vest with any sort of badge. How a motorcyclist can endorse laws targeting motorcyclists is beyond me. Target criminals using the crimes act mot motorcyclists.
Quote from: oldmanevo on January 18, 2014, 12:12:50 AM
You have to be kidding.
[roll]
You need to read the post you reply to. Like I said, I don't support the new laws in QLD either, but the video doesn't show if he broke any EXISTING laws to warrant the attention. Everyone is making the assumption he was just minding his business and doing nothing wrong, but you can't say that for sure from the video. Obviously something went on before he started filming, or there wouldn't have been 5(?) police standing around him.
If I don't have all the facts I prefer to not pass judgement.
Quote from: Sir Rob s on January 11, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
But were will it end? Will be banning Victorians next just because there football sucks ;D. ???
Supposed to be a democracy, so get the vote going Unge :D
Victorians dont get to vote in QLD State elections mate, Queenslanders do. I blame them [cheeky].
[roll]
Well, surprise surprise, looks like he didn't break any laws and was just minding his own business and doing nothing wrong and 5+ police were just harassing him.
http://www.theeasterntribune.com/story/1121/police-commissioner-apologized-bikers-for-inconvenience/#sthash.FUAQgOTW.dpbs (http://www.theeasterntribune.com/story/1121/police-commissioner-apologized-bikers-for-inconvenience/#sthash.FUAQgOTW.dpbs)
Interesting watching for sure.
Boy was he peeved and I can certainly understand why after a previous 20 'inspections'.
GK
It's getting worse. Now us lawyers are being labelled criminals just for representing people before the courts. :-X
Quote from: techno on February 07, 2014, 12:51:23 AM....Now us lawyers are being labelled criminals just for representing people before the courts. :-X
So... its not all bad news then ;D
I walked right into that one.... [clap]
your a brave man ung i bet u wount say that to liegh if u were toe to toe u should see the size of him lots of tassie tatters [laugh]