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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: bdfinally on November 22, 2013, 02:21:21 PM

Title: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 22, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
I assume a smoking one after a 2 mile ride is definitely a problem. 2000 M750 with 39Kmiles. Had a problem keeping the battery charged towards the end of last winter and now the beginning of this over sustained cold days. It's stopped smoking and the bike will start. All electrics seem to work.

Buy a used one and plug and play or deeper problem?

As always, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: rule62 on November 22, 2013, 04:03:47 PM
Check the connector. They are prone to corrosion which can then cause the RR to fail. It's a common problem and a simple fix. I bought a used one. You could also upgrade to a mosfet RR.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: Speeddog on November 22, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
That's the magic smoke that's escaped.

I've fitted an Electrosport ESR439 to a Sport 1000 that had a disturbing appetite for RR's.
Not out of the woods yet, as it's only been in for 3 months.

I chatted with the guy at Electrosport and he said that was the best upgrade that would fit.
It has a slightly more robust 3-wire connector as well, I think that's part of the package.
Confirm that with them before buying.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 23, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
I found where the mystery smoke was coming from.

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/bdfinally/P11-23-13_1417.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/bdfinally/media/P11-23-13_1417.jpg.html)

That's the connection from the ignition switch. Is it suppose to lie behind the rectifier/regulator?

the R/R connectors looked ok except for this one

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/bdfinally/P11-23-13_14191.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/bdfinally/media/P11-23-13_14191.jpg.html)

and the rest of the hot messy

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/bdfinally/P11-23-13_14201.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/bdfinally/media/P11-23-13_14201.jpg.html)

Once I saw what was what, I reconnected the R/R just to see if the ignition connection was the culprit, but no power. Does the R/R need to be grounded to the frame to function?

and sorry for the crappy pics, dig camera is down and my phone suxs.

Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 23, 2013, 12:55:01 PM
I don't think it has to be grounded for the bike to get battery voltage.

If the ignition was plugged in I'd sooner suspect a bad connection in that fried connector, or a bad wire from it.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 23, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
I asked because everything work last night. Bike started, headlight, signals the works. Now nothing
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 23, 2013, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: bdfinally on November 23, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
I asked because everything work last night. Bike started, headlight, signals the works. Now nothing
...but you touched it. ;D
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 23, 2013, 08:19:18 PM
tell me about it... [laugh]
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 24, 2013, 03:34:59 AM
Do you have a wiring diagram?
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: Howie on November 24, 2013, 04:44:12 AM
The three fat yellow wires go to the stator, including the burnt connector in your photo.  The two red wires are from the 40 amp fuse.  The two black wires are ground.  The body of the regulator does not need to be grounded to work since you have ground wires, but good contact is needed to help the regulator shed heat.  The connection to the stator needs to be cut back until you get to good copper.  If your question is should that other connector should have been crushed under the regulator the answer is no.  That will also need repair.  I will look at my bike later and see if I can find that connector without taking the bike apart.  

I would repair all connections first, then test.  I would be at least a little surprised if the regulator survived though.

Oh, for a wiring diagram go here  http://www.ducatiusa.com/services/maintenance/index.do (http://www.ducatiusa.com/services/maintenance/index.do)  The manuals only go back to 2001, but, except for the addition of a tach all should be the same.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 24, 2013, 05:09:52 AM
The diagram for my 96 carby is available.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: Langanobob on November 24, 2013, 06:22:51 AM
Our resident electrical engineer SuzyJ recommends a replacement Shindengen  MOSFET type of regulator, here's a link to a thread:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=63569.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=63569.0)

I don't know how it compares to an Electrosport regulator or if the Electrosport version is a MOSFET type.

Bob
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: Howie on November 24, 2013, 07:21:42 AM
Quote from: Langanobob on November 24, 2013, 06:22:51 AM
Our resident electrical engineer SuzyJ recommends a replacement Shindengen  MOSFET type of regulator, here's a link to a thread:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=63569.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=63569.0)

I don't know how it compares to an Electrosport regulator or if the Electrosport version is a MOSFET type.

Bob

Rick's is MOSFET  http://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/rectifier-regulators (http://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/rectifier-regulators)  As good as Shindengen?  Dunno.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 24, 2013, 07:24:02 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on November 24, 2013, 03:34:59 AM
Do you have a wiring diagram?

I've got a M750 scanned manual full OCR, so I'm good on that point.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 24, 2013, 08:22:36 AM
I'm thinking I'll go with this

http://www.rmstator.com/en/catalog-years/2000/ducati/750-monster/mosfet-regulator-rectifier-rm30504h (http://www.rmstator.com/en/catalog-years/2000/ducati/750-monster/mosfet-regulator-rectifier-rm30504h)

since I'll kill two birds, it including the harness side connectors with it.

Suggestions on the replacing the melted ignition switch connection?
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 24, 2013, 09:03:58 AM
I'd hit up the local auto parts store to see if they had a three wire repair pigtail with both sides of the connector.

If not there are some Chinese weatherpack connectors on ebay, or this site has all the pieces... http://www.waytekwire.com/products/20/Weather-Pack-Connectors/ (http://www.waytekwire.com/products/20/Weather-Pack-Connectors/)

Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 24, 2013, 09:46:28 AM
Thanks DP, I'll check out my advance store. Weird about that connection location. I've never removed either the R/R or the ignition, so that baby's been sitting back there almost 13 years. One previous owner, but they only had it for 226 miles and 6 months.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: ducpainter on November 24, 2013, 12:19:42 PM
Yeah...it wasn't supposed to be there.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: memper on November 24, 2013, 04:49:23 PM
I got the same MOSFET rr from rmstator. Been rocking it for a few months now with an 8 cell Lifepo and no problems. But I did remove the connectors and just soldered. Less connectors=less entry points for failure IMO.
Title: Re: regulator/rectifier problem
Post by: bdfinally on November 25, 2013, 06:24:46 AM
Anyone know the correct routing of that set of wires for a '00 M750D?