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Moto Board => Tech => Topic started by: Rudemouthsky on December 04, 2013, 01:35:11 PM

Title: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on December 04, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
When installing high comp pistons, I have heard of people setting squish by using base gaskets of assorted thickness. Looking at the parts catalogue for my 900SS motor I see 3 different gaskets here, the vertical only has one part # listed, and the horizontal shows 2, a 0.3 and a 0.4. Called Ducati Seattle and they only know of one kind of base gasket. A Google and forum search turned up nothing. I understand many people don't even use base gaskets, so I'm a bit confused. I also see I can buy a top end kit for $34 but I already have nice new metal valve cover gaskets, and a very comprehensive metric O-ring kit. I don't want to go into this without the parts I need but I don't want to waste $$ either...

Those of you who have installed JE pistons, what gaskets did you wind up needing, and where did you get them?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Ddan on December 05, 2013, 06:18:20 AM
I wound up using no base gaskets to get good squish numbers.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on December 05, 2013, 06:57:23 AM
Hey Dan;

On your SS or ie?
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Ddan on December 05, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
The SS, same motor as in the Cylinder Scuffing thread, so take anything I say with a little skepticism   ;D
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Speeddog on December 05, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
Cometic has base gaskets, and routinely makes custom ones.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on December 05, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
Quote from: Ddan on December 05, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
The SS, same motor as in the Cylinder Scuffing thread, so take anything I say with a little skepticism   ;D

So did they literally end up "dropping in" for you Dan? your tolerances were ok without any modification?

where's this scuffing thread, haha...

edit: found it. A, B, and C cylinders...wow that's weird. So I wonder which letter JE used to size their pistons?  ???

Dan I have 96' SS jugs for sale BTW...I can snap pics and find out if they are "A,B, or C" for you. I'd sell em cheap and you can return em if they don't work for you.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Ddan on December 05, 2013, 12:14:22 PM
Mine are already sent out for plating and matching to my pistons.  I don't know how much variation there is in the pistons as delivered from JE but mine would have been an acceptable fit in an A cylinder
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Düb Lüv on December 06, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
Fastfrankracing.com sells thinner base gaskets.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on December 10, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Düb Lüv on December 06, 2013, 06:55:06 PM
Fastfrankracing.com sells thinner base gaskets.

Thanks for the tip DL
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: hooligan machinist on January 07, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
 I made my own.
All it took was some steel shim stock of the proper thickness, tin snips, and a steady hand.
They were not very pretty, but once in place, not noticable and didn't leak.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: brad black on January 09, 2014, 01:38:44 AM
I've checked with je fitted and they're about right as is.  you can leave the base out with std pistons, and the issue is only right at the outer edge due to the different angle of head versus piston crown
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on January 09, 2014, 03:22:55 AM
Quote from: brad black on January 09, 2014, 01:38:44 AM
I've checked with je fitted and they're about right as is.  you can leave the base out with std pistons, and the issue is only right at the outer edge due to the different angle of head versus piston crown

Brad:

"As is" as in *with* the base gaskets supplied in a Ducati OEM top end kit?

thanks
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: brad black on January 09, 2014, 04:09:20 AM
yes

78610391a is 0.30mm, 78610471a is 0.4mm.

391a has a smaller id, and while they work on both one of them needs an extra cut out for the oil return.  I think 391a is nominally horiz, and 471a vertical.  I forget now.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: koko64 on January 09, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Good to know.
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Base gaskets of varying guages?
Post by: Rudemouthsky on January 09, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
 thanks Brad [thumbsup]