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Title: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 28, 2014, 05:01:47 AM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3755/14287186451_e2826da72d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nLvyLT)Monster 821 Dark

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3686/14290534765_72b06a2f6e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nLvyLT)2014 Monster 821

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/14288520712_a548f3e5cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nLNJ7r)Monster 821 (https://flic.kr/p/nLCppo)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ungeheuer on May 28, 2014, 05:14:28 AM
There's a reason almost all of the official pics are from the right hand side.

Harry Tuttle's nightmare on the left.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on May 28, 2014, 05:55:00 AM
Left side pic:

(http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ducati-Monster-821-09.jpg)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 28, 2014, 06:05:07 AM
Just looks wrong without the clutch slave . . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on May 28, 2014, 06:07:25 AM
Just looks wrong without the clutch slave . . .
There are soooo many things wrong with that bike.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on May 28, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
There are soooo many things wrong with that bike.


Please elaborate... as I'm very interested in this bike and am debating the 820 vs. the 1200. Esthetically the appeal of the appearance is of course subjective and I am a fan of the new look and prefer it to the recent 695, 795 and 1100 models. I perfer the new headlight and tank and turn indicators. Tail is essentially already chopped. I like the fact that it comes with a seat cowl and all the electronics and new display.  I also like the snaking exhaust. The only thing I have to accept is the ugly watercooled elements that clutter up the front end of the bike. Is there an issue with the build, performance, control etc.? The ergonomics and quality of the seat are superior in my opinion after test riding the 1200.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: the_Journeyman on May 28, 2014, 06:31:26 AM
Does the missing clutch slave mean cable instead of hydraulic or is the slave just hidden away somewhere?

JM


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on May 28, 2014, 06:40:19 AM

Please elaborate... as I'm very interested in this bike and am debating the 820 vs. the 1200. Esthetically the appeal of the appearance is of course subjective and I am a fan of the new look and prefer it to the recent 695, 795 and 1100 models. I perfer the new headlight and tank and turn indicators. Tail is essentially already chopped. I like the fact that it comes with a seat cowl and all the electronics and new display.  I also like the snaking exhaust. The only thing I have to accept is the ugly watercooled elements that clutter up the front end of the bike. Is there an issue with the build, performance, control etc.? The ergonomics and quality of the seat are superior in my opinion after test riding the 1200.

I definitely agreed with you. The other issue I see is the swingarm. Nothing some paint wouldn't fix. Obviously I prefer the SSS from the 1200.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: JohnEE on May 28, 2014, 06:56:14 AM
Too much going on for my taste was my first thought. But it'll be interesting to see what modders do with them. I'll reserve judgement till I see one in person, some things are always lost in translation.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DUCAZ on May 28, 2014, 07:03:59 AM
Does this mean they will have all three colors for the 800?  The 1200 you have to go the S model to get White and no option for black so far.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Bishamon on May 28, 2014, 07:19:16 AM

Harry Tuttle's nightmare on the left.

 [laugh]

True.

I like the white with red rims, though.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on May 28, 2014, 08:01:24 AM
The New Ducaudi is a horrible bike to look at from the left side.  It is so horrible I even turned down a test ride.  Told the dealer straight up that there was no point in riding something I would never even consider owning.

Glad some people like it though as it would be a shame to see Ducaudi fade away.  Personally I think they are no longer the kind of bikes that interest me.

2014 the year Ducati died to me.  Even going to take a good look at the new Aprillia Caponord


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 28, 2014, 08:16:01 AM
Does the missing clutch slave mean cable instead of hydraulic or is the slave just hidden away somewhere?

JM
cable and is very easy on the hand

edit:

this bike marks the end of AIR COOLED engines, 696/796 end production on June 30th . . . for good


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: caperix on May 28, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
cable and is very easy on the hand

edit:

this bike marks the end of AIR COOLED engines, 696/796 end production on June 30th . . . for good

The scrambler is still rumored to be air cooled.  I understand why they are switching away with more noise & exhaust emision issues to deal with. I will always prefer the simpler looks of the air cooled bikes though.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on May 28, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
I have to say that this DSS looks a lot better than the one on the 899 though.

I still havent seen the new monsters in person yet so I'm withholding judgement too.  I wasnt a fan of the look of the SF in print till I saw it in person but loved it when I saw it then.

I'm going to miss the old air cooled bikes but I mean... in the end I think we're all just going to get a choice of better overall bikes in the future.  From all reviews it seems that the new M1200 is pretty awesome and I expect that people will say the same of this.  We've got a metal tank, comfier/adjustable ergos, and they even managed to make the chicken wings look good this time around.  For the current design brief of the monster being a general everyday bike with sporting potential, I'm sure it'll hit the mark.

Sure they are slaughtering sacred cows left and right but hey... it's bbq season and I'm a steak fan haha

That all being said, I still think the SF looks way better and I cant see myself moving to these new monsters with that as an option still.  But choosing between a 796 and this?  I would probably go with this.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 28, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
The scrambler is still rumored to be air cooled.  I understand why they are switching away with more noise & exhaust emission issues to deal with. I will always prefer the simpler looks of the air cooled bikes though.
On that one, even us dealers, still have no word on . . . But, we were informed, NO more air cooled Monsters . . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: HotIce on May 28, 2014, 10:46:39 AM
I like it.
Fsck, the clean, see-through, clean engine like old Monster was gone long time ago. Even my 1100 EVO, though not having the plumbing, still, it is pretty crowded in there.
A swap from my 1100 EVO to the 1200 might be happening somewhere in the future.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on May 28, 2014, 11:21:12 AM

Please elaborate... as I'm very interested in this bike and am debating the 820 vs. the 1200. Esthetically the appeal of the appearance is of course subjective and I am a fan of the new look and prefer it to the recent 695, 795 and 1100 models. I perfer the new headlight and tank and turn indicators. Tail is essentially already chopped. I like the fact that it comes with a seat cowl and all the electronics and new display.  I also like the snaking exhaust. The only thing I have to accept is the ugly watercooled elements that clutter up the front end of the bike. Is there an issue with the build, performance, control etc.? The ergonomics and quality of the seat are superior in my opinion after test riding the 1200.
It looks like every other new bike out there. I think the aesthetics suck. Ducati has had a unique look for a long time, and I think they've lost that. Even some of the more recent SBK's, while not the best looking, were at least different from the herd.

If I saw that going down the road with no logos anywhere I would never guess it was a Duc.

It undoubtedly has better power, more features, and maybe better handling than the past Monsters, but Ducaudi must be targeting the Ninja Turtle generation with their styling.

The fact that it's water cooled is due to regulations, and you just can't hide all that hardware on a naked bike.

This is strictly one old cranks opinion.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on May 28, 2014, 11:57:22 AM
+1


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: 1.21GW on May 28, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Is there an official reason for the move away from air-cooled?  I'm not buying the noise feature.  Stock (i.e. w/o an aftermarket exhaust or open clutch cover, etc.) monsters I see riding around don't seem particularly loud.  At least not regulation-inducing loud.



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on May 28, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
Emissions?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: the_Journeyman on May 28, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Emissions?

That and they can get better power AND less emissions going water cooled.

JM


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 28, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
Is there an official reason for the move away from air-cooled?  I'm not buying the noise feature.  Stock (i.e. w/o an aftermarket exhaust or open clutch cover, etc.) monsters I see riding around don't seem particularly loud.  At least not regulation-inducing loud.



Basically, emissions, . . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: koko64 on May 28, 2014, 02:33:52 PM
Looks German designed. You'd think it was a BMW copy of the Monster.
You can tell Italians designed the S4, S4R and S4Rs, even with the radiator and all the plumbing.
Although the water cooling forces compromise, there is no excuse for Ducati to get so far away from their iconic styling. Very disappointing.
Just my opinion.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on May 28, 2014, 02:56:26 PM
I LOVE IT!!! My M796 "Pantah" is an instant "classic"!  ;D http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/383062-1/M+796_10S_LM-Pantah_C01S+_1200x800_.jpg (http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/383062-1/M+796_10S_LM-Pantah_C01S+_1200x800_.jpg)

No doubt they needed to do this for Euro 4, but unless it has a timing chain and 15,000 mile major service intervals, no way today I could afford to maintain a 4V these days. Probably goes like stink and 4V's are certainly smooth, but as others have noted, the left side looks like "Transformers" and needs a cover of some sort at a minimum.  :'(

The stock exhaust actually looks kind of trick. The only element I can find to like, and since in many markets it has to stay there, not a bad thing.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thorn14 on May 28, 2014, 03:04:33 PM
I can't wait until the next generation design comes along.  [puke]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: memper on May 28, 2014, 04:02:33 PM
I can't wait until the next generation design comes along.  [puke]
+eleventy-billion


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: brad black on May 28, 2014, 04:31:33 PM
the prick that decided on the brown swingarm and covers needs the arse.

an sv650 doesn't look that crap around the engine.  it's much the same thing.  did they have an inhouse comp to see who could screw it up the most?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: lazylightnin717 on May 28, 2014, 05:18:22 PM
I think it's a fine looking bike.

I'd like to see it with a low-slung wheelbarrow exhaust just like my S4.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: danaid on May 28, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
 Still hoping for a new streetfighterS in the future. Finally saw the 1200S in person, not bad at all but does seem like the minimalistic and lightweight styling has gone out the window.  I think Ducati will sell many of these newest monsters, I'm sure the price will be about rite with these 821's.
  I'll be keeping my 1100 S for a while longer.  ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: lawbreaker on May 28, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
Ducati...... :'(

No more trellis....

No more dry clutch...


No more air cooled.....

How many more signs of the Apocalypse does one need ?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: StephenC on May 28, 2014, 06:58:05 PM
I'll be keeping my 1100 S for a while longer.  ;)

What he said!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: abby normal on May 28, 2014, 07:00:53 PM
Looks like it crashed into the plumbing aisle at home depot.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: TACstrat on May 28, 2014, 07:01:33 PM
The good thing about the new monsters is that I have no desire to trade in my 2012 796.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: muskrat on May 28, 2014, 07:54:15 PM
 [puke]
Brown swing arm?  WTF is wrong with them?  The only bike left I like is the Multi....I guess this is what age does to you.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on May 29, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
I find the reactions on this thread hilarious. When the S4 was first launched, the Monster "purists" were screaming about the extra plumbing. When the 696 came out, all owners were up in arms because of the lack of trellis. Now the 1200/821 comes out and the guys with 696/796/1100 are up in arms. If I was still interested in riding on the street, I would be looking at upgrading to the 1200s.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on May 29, 2014, 05:14:52 AM
I find the reactions on this thread hilarious. When the S4 was first launched, the Monster "purists" were screaming about the extra plumbing. When the 696 came out, all owners were up in arms because of the lack of trellis. Now the 1200/821 comes out and the guys with 696/796/1100 are up in arms. If I was still interested in riding on the street, I would be looking at upgrading to the 1200s.
If I want to ride on the street, I'll ride my M900.

It still runs.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Vishwacorp on May 29, 2014, 06:04:18 AM
I recently saw the 1200S Monster in person at the dealership. It does look great in person. The tank is sculpted, the seat is wide and comfortable, and the general fit and finish is amazing. Yes, the engine still looks busy and covered in person, but the tradeoff is 112 HP without much additional weight.

But then again, I'm not in the market for a new bike just yet, so maybe what I say doesn't matter much.  :)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: HotIce on May 29, 2014, 06:25:30 AM
I think it's more than 112HP  [roll]
But yeah, engine is busy, but then again, so is the one of the air cooled 1100 EVO.
With the new 1200, you get more power, better delivery, and a metal tank.

IMO Ducati should bring back the classic line, where it can keep old trellis, and air cooled clean design.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: SDRider on May 29, 2014, 06:31:44 AM
Say goodbye to the Streetfighter 848.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on May 29, 2014, 06:40:53 AM
SF has been dead for a while.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on May 29, 2014, 06:41:18 AM
I love the front fender.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: MostroS2R on May 29, 2014, 06:48:03 AM
I'll be keeping my S2R. That thing is ugly.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: lazylightnin717 on May 29, 2014, 08:30:24 AM
I love the front fender.

Suppose we'll be seeing that on your build sometime soon?

 ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on May 29, 2014, 09:03:50 AM
I think it's more than 112HP  [roll]


821 is listed at 112 hp on the Ducati site...so that's their rating at the crank. Probably like 100-105 at the wheel. Not all that bad really for a street-tuned twin.

Oh...and the 821 is even more of a mess than the mini Diavel Monster 1200 to look at. I'm sure it's a fine bike, but  [puke]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: HotIce on May 29, 2014, 09:13:23 AM
He mentioned the 1200S in his post, that's why the 112HP figure did not add up.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Cynic on May 29, 2014, 09:24:11 AM
I find the reactions on this thread hilarious. When the S4 was first launched, the Monster "purists" were screaming about the extra plumbing. When the 696 came out, all owners were up in arms because of the lack of trellis. Now the 1200/821 comes out and the guys with 696/796/1100 are up in arms. If I was still interested in riding on the street, I would be looking at upgrading to the 1200s.
+1
Except I'm looking at the 821
I ride too much to deal with 6k service intervals anymore.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: the_Journeyman on May 29, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
821 is listed at 112 hp on the Ducati site...so that's their rating at the crank. Probably like 100-105 at the wheel. Not all that bad really for a street-tuned twin.

That's almost double my M750s HP numbers.

JM


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Vishwacorp on May 29, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
He mentioned the 1200S in his post, that's why the 112HP figure did not add up.


Yupp, I got my 1200 and 821 confused.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DUCAZ on May 29, 2014, 10:42:20 AM
I can get past the fugly left side and actually like the metal tank shape and the power is clearly a huge boost.  But what i can't get past is when I went and test drove the new 1200 last month was ergo's of the bike.  It felt very bizarre and the position of the footpegs was like mid-controls and such an upright posture.  I'm used to a more aggressive position.
It seemed to me like the reviews were just knit picking about the foot pegs on the 1200 so I went in with an open mind, but I was shocked at how much rear passenger pegs interfered with my ability to place the balls of my feet properly on the pegs.  You literally have to turn your toes inward to have your heels outward to fit.  How in the world did Ducati not catch this?  What's even more disturbing is there is not really an easy fix to this without chopping into your new bike.  I really really really wanted to like this bike but after the test drive when I jumped on my older air cooled monster I was happy to be back on it.  I still haven't ruled it out because I'm such a fan of the power, but it has a two strikes against it.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on May 29, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
If it's power you are after why even buy a new Ducati?  The KTM Super Duke has more power than god and similar pricing.  Paint that it Red put a Ducati sticker on it and it will look more like a Duc than the new 1200.......   ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Autostrada Pilot on May 29, 2014, 12:07:56 PM
If it's power you are after why even buy a new Ducati?  The KTM Super Duke has more power than god and similar pricing.  Paint that it Red put a Ducati sticker on it and it will look more like a Duc than the new 1200.......   ;D


 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on May 29, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
If it's power you are after why even buy a new Ducati?  The KTM Super Duke has more power than god and similar pricing.  Paint that it Red put a Ducati sticker on it and it will look more like a Duc than the new 1200.......   ;D
So, buy one. You'll be back when you miss the "heartbeat" and low CG. Unless of course you grew up on a Rice Rocket...  [roll]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on May 29, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
So, buy one. You'll be back when you miss the "heartbeat" and low CG. Unless of course you grew up on a Rice Rocket...  [roll]

Have you ridden a KTM streetbike?

I can't speak to the SD specifically, but my 990 SMT was BY FAR the best handling street bike I have ever owned. It was leap years ahead of my 2 Monsters, 2 Multistradas (gen.1), and the new Multi and Diavel that I did extended test rides on. I can't believe the SD would be any different. The motor was friggin' awesome as well, even if it was down on power to the 11* Multi/Diavel motor.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 29, 2014, 06:23:57 PM
Good "side by side" of M796 and M821

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1958372_700145163367302_1037409559357779166_n.jpg)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: teddy037.3 on May 30, 2014, 12:03:48 AM
hmmmmmmmm.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on May 30, 2014, 03:48:40 AM
I can get past the fugly left side and actually like the metal tank shape and the power is clearly a huge boost.  But what i can't get past is when I went and test drove the new 1200 last month was ergo's of the bike.  It felt very bizarre and the position of the footpegs was like mid-controls and such an upright posture.  I'm used to a more aggressive position.
It seemed to me like the reviews were just knit picking about the foot pegs on the 1200 so I went in with an open mind, but I was shocked at how much rear passenger pegs interfered with my ability to place the balls of my feet properly on the pegs.  You literally have to turn your toes inward to have your heels outward to fit.  How in the world did Ducati not catch this?  What's even more disturbing is there is not really an easy fix to this without chopping into your new bike.  I really really really wanted to like this bike but after the test drive when I jumped on my older air cooled monster I was happy to be back on it.  I still haven't ruled it out because I'm such a fan of the power, but it has a two strikes against it.

These are easy fixes. It's a Ducati "Modster" for crying out loud... which means that it wont be long before you see after market rearsets that address the passenger foot peg interference by either moving or eliminating them plus throw on some clips-ons and BAM youve now got an aggressive riding position with a comfortable seat.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ungeheuer on May 30, 2014, 03:52:32 AM
Good "side by side" of M796 and M821

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1958372_700145163367302_1037409559357779166_n.jpg)
Great.

Now show me the left side.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: xsephirot on May 30, 2014, 09:33:25 AM
Good "side by side" of M796 and M821

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1958372_700145163367302_1037409559357779166_n.jpg)

Each iteration has less and less frame. Not a fan


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Slide Panda on May 30, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
SF has been dead for a while.

Yep... lowest selling model in the line...

I called that one dead about a year ago. Basically as soon as rumors of a water cooled monster became a little more than speculation


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on May 30, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
I think the SF848 sold pretty well... but this m821 will basically nix that model.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 30, 2014, 11:52:16 AM
I think the SF848 sold pretty well... but this m821 will basically nix that model.
Pricewise, was nixed with the M1200/S, at least for us . . . only $2K separating the SF848 and the M1200S 


Title: Re:
Post by: Mr.Purple on May 30, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
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Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on May 30, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
OK, this was the best I could do during working hours,

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/14121073929_bc69753bb6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nvQciT)M796_821 Lh (https://flic.kr/p/nvQciT)


Title: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ab on June 02, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
Pricewise, was nixed with the M1200/S, at least for us . . . only $2K separating the SF848 and the M1200S

Did they stop making the SF? Or rumors?   It's the bike I lust after.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 02, 2014, 05:03:25 AM
Did they stop making the SF? Or rumors?   It's the bike I lust after.
as of now, it's still in the lineup . . . until when, that is the question


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Ahks on June 02, 2014, 05:55:53 AM
I'll be honest. I'm happy to see a Testastretta in a monster chassis.

Do I wish the execution was cleaner? Yes
Would it prevent me from buying one? No.

Coincidentally, having Testastretta reliability is a bigger benefit, imho, than the "ugly" left side is a disadvantage.

I still want an S2r1k but as I get more responsible with age, I'll go for the new shiny with lower maintenance costs, comfier ergos, traction control and ABS.

I do want to see the specs on the size, wheelbase, suspension, etc.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: orangelion03 on June 02, 2014, 07:22:47 AM
Late to the discussion (and too lazy to sift through 5 pages) so apologies if this has been noted before...

Are there no more 2-valve Monsters being offered??? 


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 02, 2014, 07:24:53 AM
I do want to see the specs on the size, wheelbase, suspension, etc.

What I have at the moment:

"Powered by the latest edition of Ducati’s highly successful 821 Testastretta 11° engine, the highly accessible new Monster combines 112hp and 65.9ft-lb of torque with an impressively lightweight 179.5kg /395.7lb (dry weight) overall package.
 
High-spec brakes, excellent suspension[Kayaba] merge with Ducati’s best-yet ergonomics to offer the Italian manufacturer’s most attractive mid-range Monster ever. Super comfortable and with an innovative adjustable seat height, the model also combines 8-level traction control, 3-level ABS and 3-level Ride-by-Wire into Ducati’s user-friendly, press-button Riding Modes."

Late to the discussion (and too lazy to sift through 5 pages) so apologies if this has been noted before...

Are there no more 2-valve Monsters being offered??? 
Not in the Monster line . . . AFAIK


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on June 02, 2014, 07:46:01 AM
Did they stop making the SF? Or rumors?   It's the bike I lust after.

SF1098 in the US is already dead, SF848 still selling... but not sure how much longer with the m821 right there.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Howie on June 02, 2014, 08:45:44 AM
Late to the discussion (and too lazy to sift through 5 pages) so apologies if this has been noted before...

Are there no more 2-valve Monsters being offered??? 

696 and 796 are still available, at least for now.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on June 02, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
The question now is if they would offer a liquid-cooled engine in the 600 range.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 02, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
The question now is if they would offer a liquid-cooled engine in the 600 range.
at this point in time, Ihave no idea . . . could be


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: otter1 on June 02, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
Ducati...... :'(

No more trellis....

No more dry clutch...


No more air cooled.....

How many more signs of the Apocalypse does one need ?

No hydraulic clutch
No single sided swing arm

 [thumbsdown]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: dbran1949 on June 03, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
I'll be honest. I'm happy to see a Testastretta in a monster chassis.

+1
I am pretty happy with mine [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DRKWNG on June 04, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
Have you ridden a KTM streetbike?

I can't speak to the SD specifically, but my 990 SMT was BY FAR the best handling street bike I have ever owned. It was leap years ahead of my 2 Monsters, 2 Multistradas (gen.1), and the new Multi and Diavel that I did extended test rides on. I can't believe the SD would be any different. The motor was friggin' awesome as well, even if it was down on power to the 11* Multi/Diavel motor.

All. Of. This.

My SD down right crushes just about any stock monster out there, with the possible exception of an S4RS and has just as much soul as any 4v Ducati.  And that's with it being the 2nd gen SD.  The new ones will most likely pregnant dog-slap the hell out of the M1200 each day of the week, and twice on Sunday.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on June 04, 2014, 05:39:16 PM
The KTMs may be great bikes but they are nowhere near as sexy as the Monster, SF or Panigale.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on June 04, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
The KTMs may be great bikes but they are nowhere near as sexy as the Monster, SF or Panigale.

The original Monsters, sure...the last 2 tries, nope. I'd take a Superduke over either. Same with the SF, but I've thought the SF was fugly from day one.

I'll agree the Panigale is a better looking bike than the RC8. RC8 sounds better though (I've been around race-prepped versions of both). My RSV4 sounds & looks better than both though.  ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: twolanefun on June 05, 2014, 04:02:05 AM
Amazing how we get all these comments from non Ducati owners, seems like some are trying to justify their purchase of another brand. As for performance any of the modern bikes offer more performance than most will ever put use. The new monster , both models, offers other technology that is current, relevant, and makes for a safer ride. Build quality is excellent, metal tank, S suspension. If you are interested go test ride one, don't listen to the detractors, listen to yourself. Just MHO - Gene


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: silas on June 05, 2014, 05:02:55 AM

Who designed these new 1200 & 821 Monsters? Same designer as the HYS821?
(Why does the  Hyperstrada 821 have such a cleaner engine look than the new M821/M1200S?)
Was on a road trip last week and Ducati New Orleans (Transportation Revolution) had the 1200S next to the SF848 for sale. No M821's yet. In person the 1200S is quite blingy, more so than any other monster IMO. It does look better in person.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on June 05, 2014, 07:42:06 AM
Amazing how we get all these comments from non Ducati owners, seems like some are trying to justify their purchase of another brand. As for performance any of the modern bikes offer more performance than most will ever put use. The new monster , both models, offers other technology that is current, relevant, and makes for a safer ride. Build quality is excellent, metal tank, S suspension. If you are interested go test ride one, don't listen to the detractors, listen to yourself. Just MHO - Gene

Actually, my original comment was in reference to someone bagging on a KTM out of nowhere. I just asked if they'd ever ridden one, as they're actually very nice and the one I had rode better than any Ducati I've ever ridden. I'm not trying to justify anything, that's an honest opinion (from a former DOC president even).

Another perspective is that some Ducati owners would buy a turd if it had the Duc logo on it.  ;)

I do agree though that any modern bike packs a lot of performance, and they're all pretty much great bikes. In the end it boils down to which one do you like better, since they're all more than capable.  [thumbsup] Test ride for sure, and get whichever...but other makes allow test rides too.  :)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: MadDuck on June 05, 2014, 08:29:09 AM
Amazing how we get all these comments from non Ducati owners, seems like some are trying to justify their purchase of another brand. As for performance any of the modern bikes offer more performance than most will ever put use. The new monster , both models, offers other technology that is current, relevant, and makes for a safer ride. Build quality is excellent, metal tank, S suspension. If you are interested go test ride one, don't listen to the detractors, listen to yourself. Just MHO - Gene

Just sayin' that a lot of these comments are from former Ducati owners as well as a few that still do own them. I've had three Ducati's and loved them all. Just because I don't currently have one doesn't mean I wouldn't have a valid opinion. Some are just lamenting a sort of "dumbing down" in order to appeal to a wider, or different, market. Not good or bad. It might help Ducati sales and attract more buyers but at the same time they are losing some of their original fan base. Me included. I'd rather have a 2008 1100 Hypermotard than any Monster today ( and good thing that I have access to one that I can ride at any time  [evil] )  


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: MadDuck on June 05, 2014, 08:31:06 AM
Actually, my original comment was in reference to someone bagging on a KTM out of nowhere. I just asked if they'd ever ridden one, as they're actually very nice and the one I had rode better than any Ducati I've ever ridden. I'm not trying to justify anything, that's an honest opinion (for a former DOC president even).

Another perspective is that some Ducati owners would buy a turd if it had the Duc logo on it.  ;)

I do agree though that any modern bike packs a lot of performance, and they're all pretty much great bikes. In the end it boils down to which one do you like better, since they're all more than capable.  [thumbsup] Test ride for sure, and get whichever...but other makes allow test rides too.  :)

See!  +1      [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on June 05, 2014, 09:43:42 AM
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/mob-smiley.gif)

Haha, how this board doesnt have a icon for a mob holding pitchforks suprises me... ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on June 05, 2014, 10:26:39 AM
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/mob-smiley.gif)

Haha, how this board doesnt have a icon for a mob holding pitchforks suprises me... ;)

 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DRKWNG on June 05, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
Yup.  Still have my SC as well, so my negative opinion of the new models isn't coming from a non, or former, Ducati owner.  Just saying that the company has gone away from what made them attractive in my eyes, and that I feel other brands (such as KTM) now offer a superior product.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on June 05, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
If I were in shopping for a new midsize naked, I might be looking at the MV Dragster. Not to say that the Duc would not be up there. I personally think that Ducati, in terms of looks, should have gone from gen1 to gen3 and skipped gen2. Give me more trellis in gen3 and I would be all over that.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: lawbreaker on June 05, 2014, 06:46:51 PM
No hydraulic clutch
No single sided swing arm

 [thumbsdown]

Prety much it aint a Ducati no more...

Hell, I've talked to some peeps (Ducatisti so they say) that know NOTHING of the brand aside from their current- which seems to be New- model..... Who's Fogarty?

Whats a Bayliss?

Hailwood,Polen,Kocinski, Chile (Kee-Lee)... I could go on- all foreign names

SPS.... cool (with a weird look in their face)... What is that?



There are those who will immerse themselves in the passion and history of the love that is Ducati.... and those who buy a "bike" because they think its a cool fashion accessory.


Many a different owner resides here I suppose.....


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on June 05, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
Companies need their product lines to change and evolve. Otherwise they get saddled with being stagnant and not evolving. You really cant win as you please one group and piss of another. It's amazing how people are so resistant to change when what you're currently enamored with now was once a departure from a previous generation bike. Evolution in Ducatis product line is a good thing and over time hopefully the good things stick and the bad things get dropped but Ducati cant keep making the S4R as it was while other companies evolve and eat their lunch. There's a strategy in the new model that targets a certain rider type. Mature riders with sufficient expendable cash seeking a sexy bike that's got some muscle but is comfortable and easy to ride with all the modern amenities of the 21st century as well as the latest in safety and multiple ride modes. I think it makes sense from a business stand point but then again I'm in that target market so I love the new bike. I love my air cooled Monster 620 that's been modded to my exact taste but I want all the features in the new model (especially the seat and ergos) plus I love the look, the new engine, tank, headlight and exhaust. When the 1200S comes out in black I'm buying it.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on June 05, 2014, 07:25:10 PM

Hell, I've talked to some peeps (Ducatisti so they say) that know NOTHING of the brand aside from their current- which seems to be New- model..... Who's Fogarty?

Whats a Bayliss?

Hailwood,Polen,Kocinski, Chile (Kee-Lee)... I could go on- all foreign names

SPS.... cool (with a weird look in their face)... What is that?

Now you know how I feel when I read all the moaning here from "newbies".  ;D

I knew Mike too..., but that was 1964 when he was testing MV at Spa and I was wrenching for NART.  ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on June 05, 2014, 08:39:27 PM
Now you know how I feel when I read all the moaning here from "newbies".  ;D

I knew Mike too..., but that was 1964 when he was testing MV at Spa and I was wrenching for NART.  ;)

I cant believe they let newbies buy Ducati's. They should make them pass a history of Ducati test first or better yet no new customers. The nerve of these newbies thinking they can speak Ducati.

This type of elitist attitude serves no purpose and does nothing to further the community.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on June 05, 2014, 09:56:24 PM
I cant believe they let newbies buy Ducati's. They should make them pass a history of Ducati test first or better yet no new customers. The nerve of these newbies thinking they can speak Ducati.

This type of elitist attitude serves no purpose and does nothing to further the community.
Read slower. Think you rather missed my point?  [roll] The "newbies" I reference are those who think the new bikes are less "worthy" than their fisrt generation bikes and are somehow inferior.

Companies don't survive by pandering to a tiny niche. Anyone who has the cash and likes what he sees should have one.

That's not to say that I've liked everthing they ever made either. Thankfully somebody bought them though.

Incidentally, my first was a factory 250 road racer with full fairing which a dealer for whom I did some work gave me. Didn't own another until a 900 SS because they tended to have some unreliable metalurgy. My 796 replaces my 600 SL in my stable and has a lot of the same traits I liked from that bike but with far easier ergos. This is my 8th and for the present I'm content. I'm too short and too old for some of the latest offerings but I'm glad somebody likes them.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ungeheuer on June 06, 2014, 02:08:17 AM
......... but I'm glad somebody likes them.
I couldn't care less whether somebody likes them or not.

I think the left side of these bikes looks like a bucket of vomited spaghetti.  I know they're gonna ride great.  But they look like haemorrhoids.

IMO.



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: muskrat on June 06, 2014, 06:36:49 AM
I prefer this http://www.ktm.com/us/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r/highlights.html#.U5HuhOtAa7c (http://www.ktm.com/us/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r/highlights.html#.U5HuhOtAa7c) to the new Monster no matter the displacement.  I miss the frame.   :'(


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on June 06, 2014, 08:12:19 AM
Read slower. Think you rather missed my point?  [roll] The "newbies" I reference are those who think the new bikes are less "worthy" than their fisrt generation bikes and are somehow inferior.

The main complaint that I've seen about the new models involve aesthetics. I don't think anyone (or at least very many) will say the new models aren't better motorcycles than the old ones. I'm pretty sure they are (although I doubt the new water cooled motors will prove as reliable as the air cooled ones). Ducati has always been about sexy design though...and most of the new models seem to have lost that a bit.

For me, the Monster has lost its flowing feel. It now looks disjointed, and has since 696 series came out. The hacked-up, partial trellis frame is a big part of it, but the overall lines are a part as well. They're not terrible looking bikes by any stretch, but they're not as sexy as they used to be.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on June 06, 2014, 08:23:11 AM
I prefer this http://www.ktm.com/us/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r/highlights.html#.U5HuhOtAa7c (http://www.ktm.com/us/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r/highlights.html#.U5HuhOtAa7c) to the new Monster no matter the displacement.  I miss the frame.   :'(

Me too. Love or hate the looks of a KTM, they're not going for sexy, they're going for brutal...and they nailed it. You can ID a KTM immediately, even if it didn't have a single logo anywhere on it.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Armor on June 06, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
KTM cost $1,000 more than the new Monster "S".  To me, the new Monster is better looking than the KTM, although I would take either bike!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on June 06, 2014, 11:02:32 AM
Now you know how I feel when I read all the moaning here from "newbies".  ;D

I knew Mike too..., but that was 1964 when he was testing MV at Spa and I was wrenching for NART.  ;)

I read it again real slow. But based on your comments and the quote you seem to be concurring with. I dont see your "point" clearly illustrated in your comments.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: muskrat on June 06, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
KTM cost $1,000 more than the new Monster "S".  To me, the new Monster is better looking than the KTM, although I would take either bike!
Then I'll save more.   ;D
Ducati should have just dropped that wanna be trellis so-called frame or gone all out in my book.  I'll keep my S4R with all it's "uglyness"


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on June 06, 2014, 01:55:35 PM
I've only been into Monsters and Ducatis in general for around 5 years - do people always whine this much when the new models come out? :P ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: SpikeC on June 06, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
 Yup.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on June 06, 2014, 03:38:46 PM
I've only been into Monsters and Ducatis in general for around 5 years - do people always whine this much when the new models come out? :P ;)
Only when they're make the beast with two backsing ugly. ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DRKWNG on June 06, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
Only when they're make the beast with two backsing ugly. ;D

This


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Howie on June 06, 2014, 08:50:08 PM
I've only been into Monsters and Ducatis in general for around 5 years - do people always whine this much when the new models come out? :P ;)

Probably, certainly not when the 851, 916, slab sided Super Sport and 1st gen Monsters were released though.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: MadDuck on June 06, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Probably, certainly not when the 851, 916, slab sided Super Sport and 1st gen Monsters were released though.

Those would be classics. Kind of like us, huh?   ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DRKWNG on June 07, 2014, 01:07:15 AM
Those would be classics.

They weren't when they were first introduced.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on June 07, 2014, 08:39:01 AM
Get that new fangled Monster offa my lawn!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on June 07, 2014, 11:28:56 AM
Get that new fangled Monster offa my lawn!

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 26, 2014, 05:07:13 AM
IMHO the following article is a good read and points out the good, the bad and the ugly,

First ride Ducati Monster 821 review by Visordown (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests/first-ride-ducati-monster-821-review/25195.html)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: MadDuck on June 26, 2014, 08:29:16 AM
IMHO the following article is a good read and points out the good, the bad and the ugly,

First ride Ducati Monster 821 review by Visordown (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests/first-ride-ducati-monster-821-review/25195.html)

Did you notice they never show you a left side view?    [laugh]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on June 26, 2014, 08:46:11 AM
Did you notice they never show you a left side view?    [laugh]
yup . . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: mdgore on June 29, 2014, 11:26:29 AM
Prety much it aint a Ducati no more...

Hell, I've talked to some peeps (Ducatisti so they say) that know NOTHING of the brand aside from their current- which seems to be New- model..... Who's Fogarty?

Whats a Bayliss?

Hailwood,Polen,Kocinski, Chile (Kee-Lee)... I could go on- all foreign names






You forgot Hodgson dood..........and I'm willing to sell my 2014 796 abs for ummmm $15K.   ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: SDRider on June 30, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
Left side pic:

(http://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ducati-Monster-821-09.jpg)

Man, that is just hideous from the left side.  [thumbsdown]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on June 30, 2014, 12:55:57 PM
Man, that is just hideous from the left side.  [thumbsdown]

Transformers!  :o


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The Don on June 30, 2014, 10:25:42 PM
What could the designers do to hide all that plumbing?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Moronic on July 01, 2014, 06:47:39 AM
Man, that is just hideous from the left side.  [thumbsdown]

Umm, no actually. It's just Monstrous. Ultimate illustration of the original point. And i suspect someone at Ducati does get that.  8)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2014, 06:49:52 AM
What could the designers do to hide all that plumbing?
go back to air cooling


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on July 01, 2014, 09:14:36 AM
Air Cooling is done. I like a clean minimal bike as much as anyone else but I really have no problem with the left side. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I see a beautiful bike that delivers on power, handling, comfort and all the latest technology has to offer. I want one.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2014, 09:48:51 AM
Air Cooling is done. I like a clean minimal bike as much as anyone else but I really have no problem with the left side. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I see a beautiful bike that delivers on power, handling, comfort and all the latest technology has to offer. I want one.
totally agree with you . . . but, I must wait until we get our hands in a few of those . . . not sure when we'll be getting them . . . one thing is for sure, one will be a demo bike, surely a Dark model . . .

But I do feel the left side looks "busy"


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on July 01, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
Pfft.
There's folks here that ride KTMs.
Those are ugly on both sides, as well as front and back.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on July 01, 2014, 12:20:38 PM
Pfft.
There's folks here that ride KTMs.
Those are ugly on both sides, as well as front and back.
[thumbsup] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on July 01, 2014, 12:26:10 PM
Pfft.
There's folks here that ride KTMs.
Those are ugly on both sides, as well as front and back.

 [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup] 8)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: NAKID on July 02, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
Well, I have to agree with most here. I'm sure the bike performs well, but asthetically, it's horrible from the left side. As someone else said, about the only thing I do like about it is the exhaust. Other than that.....

I'll be keeping my bike for quite some time. IMO, I have the best looking Monster Ducati has ever made...


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on July 03, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
I took another look at the 1200S yesterday and about the only thing that excites me about the bike is the full Ohlins setup.  The view from the right rear is actually kinda sweet.

There is nothing that could get me to buy one of the new Monsters though as it just is a mess of a left side.  Maybe I will get lucky and pick up some Ohlins tubes for my bike sometime.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on July 03, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
I took another look at the 1200S yesterday and about the only thing that excites me about the bike is the full Ohlins setup.  The view from the right rear is actually kinda sweet.

There is nothing that could get me to buy one of the new Monsters though as it just is a mess of a left side.  Maybe I will get lucky and pick up some Ohlins tubes for my bike sometime.

Would you buy any gen2 Monster?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on July 03, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Would you buy any gen2 Monster?

He rides an 1100s...


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on July 03, 2014, 11:38:33 AM
Yup I have a 2013.  I would have preferred a metal tank but all in all I really like the looks of the bike.  It is still pretty light and pretty simple in comparison.  I would not toss 140hp out of bed but she is so ugly I would not perform well anyway  ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: mtb on July 03, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Yup I have a 2013.  I would have preferred a metal tank but all in all I really like the looks of the bike.  It is still pretty light and pretty simple in comparison.  I would not toss 140hp out of bed but she is so ugly I would not perform well anyway  ;D

Haha, I'm just not seeing how this bike looks ugly from either side. It's a naked water cooled bike without a full frame. There will be hoses visible no matter what. Ducati guys really hate change don't they!



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on July 03, 2014, 01:26:19 PM
I saw a new 1200 today at lunch. Honestly, I didn't notice the plumbing. What I did notice was the weird tank shape, which is very bulbous on both sides and flat in the center. Weird...not hideous or anything, just odd.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Skybarney on July 03, 2014, 01:31:23 PM
Haha, I'm just not seeing how this bike looks ugly from either side. It's a naked water cooled bike without a full frame. There will be hoses visible no matter what. Ducati guys really hate change don't they!


If I hated change I would still be riding my Kawi triple!  Personally part of what attracted me to the Monster is it's super clean looks.  In my mind (a tiny place) a naked bike should be simple and naked. Ducati did not accomplish that with the water cooled 2014's.  So while the bike is still ice (and powerful) it does not have the same eye appeal to me as the older ones.

To be honest if I could have purchased a brand new with warranty full framed Duc I would have.  


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Armor on July 03, 2014, 01:41:06 PM
A Monster was and should be a naked superbike with better ergo's.  I like the new Monsters.  A modern water cooled 4-valve motor with a modern frame and suspension.  Maybe the Scrambler will be a retro bike with an air cooled motor.  Form should follow function on a Ducati.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on July 03, 2014, 02:37:52 PM
A Monster was and should be a naked superbike with better ergo's. 

The Monster didn't start out as a naked SBK. It was basically just a sporty standard.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: SpikeC on July 03, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
 I remember it as being a stripped down 851....


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on July 03, 2014, 05:31:29 PM
I remember it as being a stripped down 851....
...with a 2V motor.

The only thing the original Monster shared with an 851 was the very basic frame design.

The gusseting was different...the subframe was integral rather than a bolt on.

No way was a Monster ever an SBK.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Moronic on July 03, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
Umm ... this was one of Galluzzi's original sketches

(http://daffyduc.smugmug.com/photos/i-DzPfsmr/0/S/i-DzPfsmr-S.jpg)

... according to the motorcyclist online article here (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features/122_1308_the_bike_that_saved_ducati/).

He says he got the idea from looking at a naked 851.

But acc to Duc historian Ian Falloon, Ducati had spare 900SS motors that they needed to move, so they shoehorned those into the 851 chassis and that's what we got. Initially.

So the idea originally was for a naked Superbike, IMO. Galluzzi was probably pissed at what they brought out. Until sales took off.



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on July 04, 2014, 08:19:12 AM
But Galluzi's sketch was not what Ducati delivered, and the success or lack of it with a 4V as the introductory model can only be speculation.

I think the Monster allowed people that didn't have SBK wallets to get into the brand.

For whatever reason the 2V Monster was a hit.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Triple J on July 04, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
Exactly...the Monster had a 2-valve motor until I believe 2001, when the 1st "SBK motor" was introduced. The Monster was established as a sport standard, not as a naked SBK.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on July 04, 2014, 06:43:20 PM
Exactly...the Monster had a 2-valve motor until I believe 2001, when the 1st "SBK motor" was introduced. The Monster was established as a sport standard, not as a naked SBK.

Yes, 2001 and 2002 were S4, with pretty much an ST4 motor fitted with the close-ratio transmission.

I suspect that it was, again, a surplus of ST4 engine parts, and a surplus of 748 transmissions.
IMHO, the ST4 916cc engine isn't aided by the close ratio trans, would've been better with the wide.

Galuzzi's personal bike/prototype was built around an 888.

As was said previously, a surplus of 900SS motors determined what the production bike would be fitted with.

I went to an event at the Doffo Winery/Ducati Museum in Temecula last year, and met both Galuzzi and Terblanche.
Really nice guys, spent a little while chatting with each of them.
Galuzzi said the 'Monster' name came from a souvenir/giveaway doll that his kids always asked for when he traveled during that time frame.




Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: brad black on July 04, 2014, 10:29:38 PM
ducati thinking is that the top engine of the time is reserved for the superbike only.  hence the s4 and st4 having a 916cc motor, not a 996.  in 92, the 851/888 was superbike only, so the only motor available for the monster was the 900.  it made much more sense as a 2v anyway at the time, as the 2v motor wasn't as underpowered in the market as it became later and it gave them the easy ability to do what they'd done in the past model range wise: put various size versions of the same motor into the same chassis to sell anywhere they could.  they sold nearly 6,000 900ss in 91 and 92.  if they had surplus engines, i wonder how many they expected to sell?  they sold about 10,000 each of the 900 monster and ss 93 to 95.

i know it's all about prestige, etc, but the top engine thing is a really silly idea imo.  the s4 and st4 would both have sold much better if they had the 996 motor from the get go.  the only reason there was a dual seat sps motor'd model in 2001 (euro 996s) was because the 996r was out with the testastretta. 

really, they should have had the sps motor in the st4 and s4.  advance the inlet cams and that motor is smooth, tractable and just great to use.  anyone who says it has less low down power than a std cam 996 has never ridden a good one.  put that in the st4s and it would have been a pretty serious sports tourer in any comparison.

altho, people in au say that the "biggest motor" demand is a real melbourne thing.  in other states the smaller engined models sell much better comparatively for ducati i'm told.

the close ratio gearbox thing is odd, as by 2000 they were building a unique output shaft box for the 900ssie.  everything else used the longer 916 or 748 based shaft.  i think it was just that someone in planning figured that the close ratio box was better suited to a naked bike with a theoretical lower practical top speed.  in practice it just hurt a bike that was more an all rounder.  they built an st, so if you wanted to tour, buy that sort of corporate mentality.  like when bmw make 5 versions of the same thing and one just doesn't sell, they started making everything a bit more segment focused.  the 900ssie became more focused seating wise, because they had the st2 for touring.  whereas the 900ss was as much an all rounder as the m900 really.

anyway, we're getting ot now.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thought on July 05, 2014, 07:24:51 AM

To be honest if I could have purchased a brand new with warranty full framed Duc I would have.  

SF848 is still around... just not aircooled.  But I would say that the clock is ticking on that model too.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: TWDucfan on July 05, 2014, 09:46:28 PM
I would not toss 140hp out of bed but she is so ugly I would not perform well anyway  ;D


140hp is like a woman who looks great when she is angry...

 [coffee] ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on July 06, 2014, 08:41:02 AM
For me if Im not tracking a bike like that 140hp does seem a bit of overkill. Which for the money steers me towards the 821 but as it goes with these bikes its the details that really stand out to you. e.g. I love the single sided swingarm on the 1200, I hate the coffin reservoirs on the 821, would love to have Ohlins but again if Im not tracking the bike thats a lot of dough for an under utilized feature. If moneys no issue for me Id certainly go 1200s but Im trying to justify the price delta.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: SpikeC on July 06, 2014, 09:49:42 AM
 Do not discount the value of the Ohlins on the street! They not only give you great control in the twisties, butt they also can give you a very comfortable ride in everyday putting about.
 My M1100S rode like a dream and was fantastic in the corners!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Howie on July 06, 2014, 10:14:56 AM
Do not discount the value of the Ohlins on the street! They not only give you great control in the twisties, butt they also can give you a very comfortable ride in everyday putting about.
 My M1100S rode like a dream and was fantastic in the corners!

Xakly,  less stiction = more comfy ride


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Duc796canada on July 25, 2014, 09:56:17 PM
I'm thinking MV 800Brutale Dragster about now!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on July 26, 2014, 06:58:40 AM
I'm thinking MV 800Brutale Dragster about now!

+1


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: mdgore on August 24, 2014, 11:23:05 AM
I've been holding off on this because I wanted read reviews and other write ups, but most of that is in and it's been underwhelming.  Unless you need the tank to say "Ducati" There is no reason to buy the 821 over the Yamanail FZ-09. (and there are at least 3k reasons to buy the 9) All the Ducati signature stuff is pretty much gone. The FZ-09 looks better as well.  If I were buying my new bike now, instead of a year ago, the Yamaha would be in my garage.  Or maybe even the Kawi Z1K.............I like Kawasaki's.  :)  I feel somewhat lucky and glad that I got a 2014 796 ABS, with the SSSA and butt pipes and air/oil engine, etc.  The electronics package on the 821 sounds nice, but I doubt I'd ever need it. I am glad for the ABS on the 796 though.  So yeah, I guess I bought at the right time to get that Ducati vibe happening for me.   [Dolph]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on August 24, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
FZ-09 better looking? Sez you.....
Me, not so much.

Have you ridden an FZ-09?
I've seen reviews that say the fuelling is crappy.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on August 24, 2014, 12:31:54 PM
Not a fan of triples personally, and the suspension on the FZ-09 is definitely bargain basement. More than agree about the possibly underappreciated 796. Costs peanuts to "fix" and more bike than most will ever use. Only downside, depending on yout point of view..., it likes to live at 80 MPH.  ;D

The 821 is probably worth the $$$, but I can do without the 4V complexity and plumbing too. Just my (http://www.triumphrat.net/images/smilies/2cents.gif.pagespeed.ce.6HE2d1ifrp.gif)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on August 24, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
They've compared the FZ-09 to other triples apples to apples and basically the biggest upside is the cost. The Yamaha would be really low on my list if I was looking at triples.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on August 24, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
I've been holding off on this because I wanted read reviews and other write ups, but most of that is in and it's been underwhelming.  Unless you need the tank to say "Ducati" There is no reason to buy the 821 over the Yamanail FZ-09. (and there are at least 3k reasons to buy the 9) All the Ducati signature stuff is pretty much gone. The FZ-09 looks better as well.  If I were buying my new bike now, instead of a year ago, the Yamaha would be in my garage.  Or maybe even the Kawi Z1K.............I like Kawasaki's.  :)  I feel somewhat lucky and glad that I got a 2014 796 ABS, with the SSSA and butt pipes and air/oil engine, etc.  The electronics package on the 821 sounds nice, but I doubt I'd ever need it. I am glad for the ABS on the 796 though.  So yeah, I guess I bought at the right time to get that Ducati vibe happening for me.   [Dolph]

Ill give you four reasons: 1. Sound -throw Termis on & no Yamahas gonna come close to sounding that good. 2. Looks - sorry but I love the look of any Monster over any Japanese bike. The tank even as its evolved is a work of art. 3. Comfort - thats one comfortable bike. 4. Chicks man - chicks dig Ducatis (fact).  ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: thorn14 on August 24, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9359BjUb1XE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9359BjUb1XE&feature=youtu.be)

This video almost helps me get over it's ugliness. Almost. Then again, I'd likely rather pick up a 748 if this was an actual choice.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Barney on August 25, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
4. Chicks man - chicks dig Ducatis (fact).  ;D

false.  these things are dude magnets. 

i've watched dudes stop and take pictures of it in front of starbucks.  i've had dudes stop traffic in front of my house to ask questions.  dudes love it. it's literally turned into a joke with me and my girl. chicks, they like the idea of it. maybe.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on August 25, 2014, 09:29:45 AM
false.  these things are dude magnets. 

i've watched dudes stop and take pictures of it in front of starbucks.  i've had dudes stop traffic in front of my house to ask questions.  dudes love it. it's literally turned into a joke with me and my girl. chicks, they like the idea of it. maybe.

 [bow_down] [Dolph]
LOL!!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

It's funny cause its true.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on August 25, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
[bow_down] [Dolph]
LOL!!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

It's funny cause its true.

They're both right.

But I've picked up girls my no-game having ass had no business picking up because of my Monster. :)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Scoober1103 on August 25, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
They're both right.

But I've picked up girls my no-game having ass had no business picking up because of my Monster. :)

+1

I've never had a girl walk past and say 'Nice Yamaha'!

And yes the dudes always in a line-up of Japanese and Italian bikes gravitate to the Italian bikes and stand and stare!

I go on ride days every year where a multi-brand dealer takes 50+ bikes out to a beautiful lake district for punters to flog and one year I rode my monster out and for giggles I took a naked Yamaha (FZ1n I think) and a Triumph Speed triple for a blast and I can say the Yamaha was undoubtedly one of the worst bikes I have ever ridden but the Speed Triple was right up there with the monster! The water cooled monsters beat the looks of both IMO left side plumbing or not! It's gotta go somewhere!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The Don on August 26, 2014, 03:44:38 AM
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but, I dropped into a large Sydney retailer and asked about the cost of the servicing, (hope you are sitting down) $350au for a minor service $1700au for major service.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on August 26, 2014, 03:58:23 AM
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but, I dropped into a large Sydney retailer and asked about the cost of the servicing, (hope you are sitting down) $350au for a minor service $1700au for major service.

Did they mention the service interval is 18500 miles!! Any way you slice it it beats the cost of maintenance on the older Ducs. Id be curious what that dealer define as minor vs major service.
I pay about $700 us every 6k miles for valves,belts etc. (Major) I do all my own oil, fluids, pads etc.(minor).

The maintenance costs on the new Monsters is definitely a plus compared to previous models.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on August 26, 2014, 05:30:13 AM
Basic oil/filter change here at dealership: $195.00 > labour and parts
Yearly: oil/filter/screen filter cleaning/checking everything/clean lube chain/check bearings: $375.00 > parts and labour . . .
Desmo Service: ALL of the above + belts + valves: $1100.00 > parts and labour

BMW SS1000RR: all these services are at least +$200 locally; Yamaha also and Honda, well, Honda just beats us in all categories . . . A CBR250R oil/filter/spark plug change: $500.00


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Barney on August 26, 2014, 08:05:16 AM
They're both right.

But I've picked up girls my no-game having ass had no business picking up because of my Monster. :)

as with everything on the internet, pics or it didnt happen  [coffee]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: showerfan on August 30, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
The new monsters aren't just ugly on the left side and girly in the tank area -- too skinny like the boys in Greenwich Village with their super tight jeans. They are completely devoid of character when you ride them. It's only slightly more fun than riding the jap 500's in the MSF course to get your license.

I will also say, as the owner of a testastretta-powered bike, there is no termignoni-decat combo that can make it sound as good as an air-cooled engine -- it's just impossible.

I'm glad they went back to metal tanks and I can appreciate the need to evolve, but they missed the mark. This bike is a mini diavel, which runs counter to the point of a diavel (love riding the new diavel, btw!), and counter to the point of a monster. They should call it something else. It's a good bike for older people though.

In the 821 form, I'd much rather have a hypermotard sp. And the streetfighter really should be the evolution of the monster line.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DucHead on August 31, 2014, 03:43:59 AM
They're both right.

But I've picked up girls my no-game having ass had no business picking up because of my Monster. :)

But were you awake when you picked up these women?

Probably not.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on August 31, 2014, 04:24:53 AM
But were you awake when you picked up these women?

Probably not.

Oh snap! ;) Haha. Hard to believe I know, but no one was more surprised than me! I'm just glad I'm married now, I can't keep up with supermodel triplets in my old age!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on September 08, 2014, 09:49:37 PM
hiiii...

im going to make a deal today

i sow the 821

like it so much
strong 112 HP with ABS and Traction Control

i have 696 year 2012

what do you think my friends

shall i go for it..

im confuse

in the same price i can get a kawasaki Z1000

but i dont have Experience in motorcycle  [shot]

my first one was the monster 696.. love it so much but it didnt have ABS  [bang]

any Suggestions people


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 09, 2014, 04:11:27 AM
hiiii...

in the same price i can get a kawasaki Z1000

but i dont have Experience in motorcycle  [shot]

my first one was the monster 696.. love it so much but it didnt have ABS  [bang]

any Suggestions people


Are you talking about the Z1000 or the older KZ? Z1k is an absolute BEAST....ABS is not an option on that bike, and if you felt you needed it on the 696, well....love the Z but not for a person with "no experience in motorcycle"...


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on September 09, 2014, 09:32:57 PM
thanks man

i went to the dealer yesterday

he made for me a great deal..  [clap] [clap]


i will go for Monster 821  ;D ;D ;D

wish me luck  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 10, 2014, 02:35:31 AM
Good luck Bruce!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 10, 2014, 11:21:01 AM
I've had my 821 for a couple weeks now. Granted, I've got limited references to other year monsters, and the 2000-2004 era is still my favorite, but I'm loving it. I didn't like the spaghetti on the left side at first sight either, but when I'm riding it I'm not thinking about that!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on September 10, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
Pics Please !  ;D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 11, 2014, 11:16:25 AM
Here are a couple pics from the day I bought her.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5574/15207029741_98e9a08132_c.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3876/15023506727_1366eba67f_c.jpg)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: duccarlos on September 11, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on September 11, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
Getting the first 2 in the country tomorrow . . .

yes, yes, pics will be shown, both in white btw


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: lazylightnin717 on September 11, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
I really REALLY like the color scheme  [thumbsup]

So nice to see a swingarm in something other than black or silver.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on September 11, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
Is that the satin pearl white like some of the 848's?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 12, 2014, 07:08:03 AM
Yes, the white is a satin finish like on previous 848s, etc. I like it. I like the "pop" of the red frame and wheels on the white.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 12, 2014, 07:16:32 AM
I'll say, the only thing I'm not really totally satisfied with to date is the mirrors. They're nice, but I guess I'm a tad "wider" than most and they give me a little too much view of my elbows. Probably gonna replace with some bar ends at some point in the near future.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on September 12, 2014, 09:38:19 AM
That paint will keep you busy.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 12, 2014, 10:02:39 AM
Yeah, it's my first white vehicle of any sort. I'm already finding myself wiping things off quite often.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on September 12, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
Yeah, it's my first white vehicle of any sort. I'm already finding myself wiping things off quite often.
careful with the wiping . .. you might polish it. . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 12, 2014, 10:34:15 AM
Yeah, it's my first white vehicle of any sort. I'm already finding myself wiping things off quite often.
http://www.zymol.com/zymolcreamewax8oz.aspx (http://www.zymol.com/zymolcreamewax8oz.aspx) Use this. Polish with a towel with no sizing or a microfiber polishing cloth. Build up a couple of coats over a few days. After a ride, just wet wipe and dry. That actually makes it set up harder. DEEP shine and great protection.

Might seem expensive, but it isn't because that 8 oz. lasts a LONG time.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on September 12, 2014, 10:41:55 AM
Why would he want a deep shine on a low gloss paint job?     ???


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 12, 2014, 10:55:11 AM
Why would he want a deep shine on a low gloss paint job?     ???
Sorry, didn't catch that. Only saw "pearl white" but missed the "satin" which you are indicating is flat. Not sure how you do a true pearl with flat though.  ???


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on September 12, 2014, 11:21:54 AM
Sorry, didn't catch that. Only saw "pearl white" but missed the "satin" which you are indicating is flat. Not sure how you do a true pearl with flat though.  ???
Agreed.

It has to lose something without gloss.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Speeddog on September 12, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
Actually, it gains an amazing dirt-magnet capability.

You can put a fingerprint on one from ten paces.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on September 12, 2014, 01:19:57 PM
Here are the pics of the bikes, still "caged" and the owner . ..  by chance, we did open his :o

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3864/15032699547_3b899556dc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUovQX)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3837/15032698737_3cf3b77e7f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUovQX) (https://flic.kr/p/oUovAZ)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: ducpainter on September 12, 2014, 02:18:44 PM
Actually, it gains an amazing dirt-magnet capability.

You can put a fingerprint on one from ten paces.
So a dirty washed out pearl...

Sweet. [roll]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: dlearl476 on September 12, 2014, 03:05:18 PM
If I want to ride on the street, I'll ride my M900.

It still runs.

:lol3

:nod 

And thanks to you, it's still looking good.

It may be time to start shopping for a HM, tho. I may just have some full time work coming my way and I need something I can live with riding in sloppy weather.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DucDucGoos on September 13, 2014, 12:11:06 PM
The white is actually really cool in person. We have one on the showroom floor and I really dig it!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: wabill on September 14, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
That paint will keep you busy.

A spray bottle of Turtlewax "ICE" will give that paint depth and a breeze to clean. 


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on September 16, 2014, 01:28:22 AM
mine will be white with red ...

cant wait more week  :P


Title: And Another New 821
Post by: Mike P on September 18, 2014, 02:10:43 PM
Only this one is black.

In the crate at Ducati Austin:
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y518/mjptexas/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Monsterinthecrate_zpsf1a9d230.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/mjptexas/media/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Monsterinthecrate_zpsf1a9d230.jpg.html)

In the driveway:
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y518/mjptexas/Ducati%20Monster%20821/mostnersidefront28-23_zps99bbdcbc.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/mjptexas/media/Ducati%20Monster%20821/mostnersidefront28-23_zps99bbdcbc.jpg.html)

With its Italian Sisters:
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y518/mjptexas/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Italiansfront38-23_zps51eca0f7.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/mjptexas/media/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Italiansfront38-23_zps51eca0f7.jpg.html)

I have owned the bike for nearly a month (picked it up August 22nd).  I have put just over 800 miles on it and have had the first service completed.  I'm still a bit careful as to how hard I ride it as the manual talks about a 1,500 mile break in period.

I test rode a new 1200 when they came out in the spring and really liked the bike.  Personally, I think the 1200/821 is the best packaging job Ducati as done to date on one of its naked liquid-cooled bikes.  I didn't opt for the 1200 for personal reasons that I won't go into right now ( [leo] Really officer? I had no idea I was going that fast [roll]).  We're just coming into the fall riding season in Central Texas so I'm sure I'll have ample opportunities to explore the 821's boundaries.

After a month, 800 miles and a couple of 200+ mile rides I really have no complaints about the bike.  It's amazingly civilized to ride around town, is very easy to ride, has plenty of go and is by far the best handling bike I have ever owned. 

Only thing I'm considering is a different bar or risers to give these old arms a bit of relief.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: beetlejude on September 19, 2014, 01:43:56 PM
 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 19, 2014, 02:45:35 PM
Only thing I'm considering is a different bar or risers to give these old arms a bit of relief.
I'm assumeing the bar is straight and flat as it was on 796/1100 EVO. If so, as long as it fits, consider the MA008A which is a bit higher and also gives the wrists a lot of relief. Check dimensions. http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562 (http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562)

On my 796. http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg (http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg)


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: ungeheuer on September 19, 2014, 11:17:20 PM
In the driveway:
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y518/mjptexas/Ducati%20Monster%20821/mostnersidefront28-23_zps99bbdcbc.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/mjptexas/media/Ducati%20Monster%20821/mostnersidefront28-23_zps99bbdcbc.jpg.html)
Congrats on your new Monster  [thumbsup]

Its a little too much Diavel Sportster for my taste.  Although I have no doubt it's a fine and powerful ride.



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: BALROGG on September 20, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Agreed.

It has to lose something without gloss.

Hey guys! I picked up the 821 Dark on August 17th and I am IN LOVE with this bike! More on that later...

Now as far as taking care of these matte/flat/satin finishes, you CANNOT use traditional waxes & paint sealants due to the glossifiers that they contain. Waxes/sealants will want to make any paint job shiny, which makes your awesome matte finish looked nasty and confused. I was using a simple detail spray (which contains a light wax) on my "Dark" finish and after a few weeks and a few applications it started to look splotchy, stained and greasy. I diluted a very gentle degreaser with water and sprayed it on a MF Towel, then I successfully removed all the detail-spray (and thus the wax) and it looked fantastic again! So instead have started looking into something like these products The Chemical Guys and Dr. Beasly's.

The Chemical Guys
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Matte_Plastidip_Paint_Vinyl_Care_s/342.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Matte_Plastidip_Paint_Vinyl_Care_s/342.htm)

Dr. Beasly's
http://www.drbeasleys.com/shop/car-care-products/matte-car-care.html (http://www.drbeasleys.com/shop/car-care-products/matte-car-care.html)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 20, 2014, 02:23:01 PM
Hey guys! I picked up the 821 Dark on August 17th and I am IN LOVE with this bike! More on that later...

Now as far as taking care of these matte/flat/satin finishes, you CANNOT use traditional waxes & paint sealants due to the glossifiers that they contain. Waxes/sealants will want to make any paint job shiny, which makes your awesome matte finish looked nasty and confused. I was using a simple detail spray (which contains a light wax) on my "Dark" finish and after a few weeks and a few applications it started to look splotchy, stained and greasy. I diluted a very gentle degreaser with water and sprayed it on a MF Towel, then I successfully removed all the detail-spray (and thus the wax) and it looked fantastic again! So instead have started looking into something like these products The Chemical Guys and Dr. Beasly's.

The Chemical Guys
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Matte_Plastidip_Paint_Vinyl_Care_s/342.htm (http://www.chemicalguys.com/Matte_Plastidip_Paint_Vinyl_Care_s/342.htm)

Dr. Beasly's
http://www.drbeasleys.com/shop/car-care-products/matte-car-care.html (http://www.drbeasleys.com/shop/car-care-products/matte-car-care.html)

Ammonia free glass cleaner. I tried many pricey cleaners designed for matte black finishes on my 750D and this equalled them all. And costs $1 at Dollar General. ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 20, 2014, 02:26:10 PM
By the way that's one hell of an odd first post, comin on here and plugging some expensive ass cleaners...I smell spam.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: BALROGG on September 20, 2014, 03:58:44 PM
By the way that's one hell of an odd first post, comin on here and plugging some expensive ass cleaners...I smell spam.

Paranoid much? I am a professional detailer by trade and hobby and I was simply suggesting some products that are designed to seal your matte/satin finishes. These types of finishes need to be cleaned in a different way, with different chemicals to properly maintain that appearance. Sure you can buy ammonia free glass cleaner, or you can buy alcohol and dilute it with water, or you can use a light degreaser to clean the paint, All cheap and easy methods.

The problem is that if you stop there then you have no protection for your paint going into the next few months. Its just the sun, air, and dust directly interacting with your clear coat. But if you manage to pickup a product, - WHATEVER product you can find - that is made for especially for matte finishes then you should have a matte finish that is more resistant to exposure concerns and will retain a healthy and fresh look.

Above all else I am super excited about the 821! I have put just over 500 miles on the clock and the only thing that makes me curious is the amount of heat that seems to come off of the right hand side near the exhaust, sometimes it can really get quite hot on my right calf. Now I am starting to think that it might actually be the lack of a "full" heat shield near where the exhaust header connects to the engine. It is nowhere near painful or unnerving, but I would say it is noticeable if you find yourself frequently stopped.

I ran the first bit of my break-in on the "Urban" driving map in order to learn the bike with a safer threshold, and then made my way into "Touring" after a few hundred miles and DAMN! What a difference in power between these modes! Now, Urban and Touring  are both great in their own respects but its not until you hit "Sport" mode that you really feel this thing fly, it is a great difference. I could discuss more aspects of the bike but Ill do that in my own thread someday. For now I will put up some pictures of my 821 Dark...

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y431/KFREX/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Ducatti01_zpsf233d83a.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y431/KFREX/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Ducatti02_zps01fce241.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y431/KFREX/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Ducatti03_zpsda2b042a.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y431/KFREX/Ducati%20Monster%20821/Ducatti04_zps47bb5a45.jpg)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Rudemouthsky on September 20, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
Paranoid much?

Nope. Just calling out skeezy behavior. I didn't bother with the rest if your 5 page cool story either bro, go tell it in the "introductions" section.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: BALROGG on September 20, 2014, 04:47:55 PM
Nope. Just calling out skeezy behavior. I didn't bother with the rest if your 5 page cool story either bro, go tell it in the "introductions" section.

Very Cool, can you take me by the hand and show me the way? :D


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 20, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
Very Cool, can you take me by the hand and show me the way? :D
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=14.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=14.0)


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: Mike P on September 22, 2014, 04:39:54 AM
I'm assumeing the bar is straight and flat as it was on 796/1100 EVO. If so, as long as it fits, consider the MA008A which is a bit higher and also gives the wrists a lot of relief. Check dimensions. http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562 (http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562)

On my 796. http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg (http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg)

Thanks.  I will look into that. 

Mike


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: Mike P on September 22, 2014, 04:43:50 AM
Congrats on your new Monster  [thumbsup]

Its a little too much Diavel Sportster for my taste.  Although I have no doubt it's a fine and powerful ride.



HA!  I never thought of that, but I can see where you are coming from. I actually think the Dark fits the attitude I see emerging in this bike.


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: Mike P on September 22, 2014, 09:44:29 AM
I'm assumeing the bar is straight and flat as it was on 796/1100 EVO. If so, as long as it fits, consider the MA008A which is a bit higher and also gives the wrists a lot of relief. Check dimensions. http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562 (http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=562)

On my 796. http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg (http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282951-1/Rt_-Above.jpg)

One other quick question:  Did you have to change any cables?  there isn't a lot of cable slack on the 821.

Thanks.


Title: Re: And Another New 821
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 22, 2014, 04:20:03 PM
One other quick question:  Did you have to change any cables?  there isn't a lot of cable slack on the 821.

Thanks.
There isn't a lot of slack on any of them. All my stuff was fitted by the dealer prior to delivery. He'd told me that he might have to route something behind the fork to gain some slack, but it doesn't appear he did. In the process he might have loosened and rotated some fittings. No idea. Perhaps your dealer knows as some people fit risers. If you have no luck, call Nathan at Duc Pond as he might know. Early days with 821's though.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on October 12, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Hiiiii Alllll

This My New Monster

im in love.. hehehe

http://g1.img-dpreview.com/A0984554EBBD4C23A10F869B13308BE9.jpg (http://g1.img-dpreview.com/A0984554EBBD4C23A10F869B13308BE9.jpg)

http://g2.img-dpreview.com/7FDF49487C0840FD9C51DAFCF2DBE0DC.jpg (http://g2.img-dpreview.com/7FDF49487C0840FD9C51DAFCF2DBE0DC.jpg)

http://g1.img-dpreview.com/165DFD0211DF411D9C5DCA6F2321BA83.jpg (http://g1.img-dpreview.com/165DFD0211DF411D9C5DCA6F2321BA83.jpg)





Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: The ModFather on October 13, 2014, 04:57:58 AM
Congrats!!  [thumbsup] Youre going to have a blast on that bike!


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Bladecutter on October 21, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
Got to test ride the 821 on Saturday at one of my local Ducati stores.

I actually was with my wife, and we were riding two up on my friend's '07 S2R1k, as we swapped bikes for a couple of weeks so that my wife and I can ride 2 up.

Anyway, rode the 821, and loved the clutch, chassis is very light, and extremely responsive to inputs, but the engine itself felt like it was neutered.
I was expecting more of an 848 engine feel, but it had nothing other than just clean power. No excitement.

The S2R1k I was riding felt much more lively.
Or maybe it's just that Ducati finally got the fuel mappings correct, and made the engine boring by accident.

It's a good bike, but it didn't make me want to trade in my friend's S2R1k for it.

Then I test rode the 899 Panigale.
Again, much lighter feeling bike, better ergos than my 848, though I hate the turn signal switch/mode button, it just feels horrible to me.
Engine felt good and clean in the fueling, but this one actually had personality, unlike the 821 motor.

The 899 almost made me call my friend to bring my bike to the dealer so I could replace it.
Good thing we swapped bikes. :)

BC.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: BALROGG on October 29, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
Congratulations, I love the tank protector that you put on!

Hiiiii Alllll

This My New Monster

im in love.. hehehe

http://g1.img-dpreview.com/A0984554EBBD4C23A10F869B13308BE9.jpg (http://g1.img-dpreview.com/A0984554EBBD4C23A10F869B13308BE9.jpg)

http://g2.img-dpreview.com/7FDF49487C0840FD9C51DAFCF2DBE0DC.jpg (http://g2.img-dpreview.com/7FDF49487C0840FD9C51DAFCF2DBE0DC.jpg)

http://g1.img-dpreview.com/165DFD0211DF411D9C5DCA6F2321BA83.jpg (http://g1.img-dpreview.com/165DFD0211DF411D9C5DCA6F2321BA83.jpg)






Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on October 30, 2014, 04:33:30 AM
from where did you source the tank protector?

(http://g1.img-dpreview.com/165DFD0211DF411D9C5DCA6F2321BA83.jpg)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on November 09, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
sorry for late respond

a car hit me.. im ok thank god but my monster  :'( :'( :'(
the clutch cover and the radiator need to change..

be careful friends...



i find this one on ebay for 23$

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORBITAL-TANK-PROTECTOR-PAD-DUCATI-WHITE-RED-GREEN-5-6-x-7-2-/161476670393?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2598c273b9 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORBITAL-TANK-PROTECTOR-PAD-DUCATI-WHITE-RED-GREEN-5-6-x-7-2-/161476670393?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2598c273b9)


and this one like mine

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORBITAL-TANK-PROTECTOR-PAD-DUCATI-RED-CARBON-WHITE-5-6-x-7-2-/131309602799?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e92a987ef&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORBITAL-TANK-PROTECTOR-PAD-DUCATI-RED-CARBON-WHITE-5-6-x-7-2-/131309602799?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e92a987ef&vxp=mtr)

hope you'll like it and have it
 ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on November 09, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
sorry for late respond

a car hit me.. im ok thank god but my monster  :'( :'( :'(
the clutch cover and the radiator need to change..

be careful friends...

hope you'll like it and have it
 ;) ;) ;)

glad you OK . . .


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: BALROGG on December 01, 2014, 12:01:31 AM
a car hit me.. im ok thank god but my monster  :'( :'( :'(
the clutch cover and the radiator need to change..

be careful friends...

Damn! Sorry to hear about your misfortune, very glad you're not seriously hurt, sad that they damaged your 821  >:( :( >:( :(


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on December 03, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
Thanks All..

im fine now.. and my monster too..

anyone sow the new models

the S2R is back.. and the two lines in white so cool
im want to have so stickers job for mine..
any one know who can do this for me.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: DarkMonster620 on December 03, 2014, 06:16:31 AM
Thanks All..

im fine now.. and my monster too..

anyone sow the new models

the S2R is back.. and the two lines in white so cool
im want to have so stickers job for mine..
any one know who can do this for me.
S2R is only for Asian markets  . . . as is the Corse Stripe 796


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: stopintime on December 03, 2014, 10:02:21 AM
......
the S2R is back.. and the two lines in white so cool
im want to have so stickers job for mine..
any one know who can do this for me.

The stripes on the S2R/S4R are available as a separate part from Ducati. Maybe also for/from the 821/1200 Stripe?


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on December 03, 2014, 10:26:29 PM
i dont want to trade my monster..

i want some stickers for my m821
mine is white and i want to add some red stickers on the fuel tank  [cheeky]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: 1.21GW on January 05, 2015, 01:13:28 PM
I bought a vinyl sticker for my monster off of ebay.  It was the S2R racing stripe pattern (one wide stripe next to one thing stripe) and it worked out very well.  I think it cost $25.

I have also paid someone on Etsy.com to make me a custom Honda Motors vinyl that came out pretty well and was relatively inexpensive (I think I paid $20).



Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on February 18, 2015, 01:13:58 AM
Dear GW... you have s2r stickers for the monster 821??
if you have some pic show me please
and i visit esty . com  but i need to know the seller?

big thanks bro


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: 1.21GW on February 18, 2015, 07:10:45 AM
Dear GW... you have s2r stickers for the monster 821??
if you have some pic show me please
and i visit esty . com  but i need to know the seller?

big thanks bro

Not really---they aren't specific to the 821.  They were just a long roll of the thick-next-to-thin stripe that is on all the SxR models.  I bought it off ebay but don't remember from who since it was some time ago.

Anyway, you just apply it across the tank and I used an x-acto to clip the ends and carve around the gas cap.  It wasn't rocket science.  Just go slow.

Here I searched "vinyl stripe motorcycle":

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=vinyl+motorcycle+stripe&_from=R40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xvinyl+stripe+motorcycle.TRS0&_nkw=vinyl+stripe+motorcycle&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=vinyl+motorcycle+stripe&_from=R40%7CR40%7CR40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xvinyl+stripe+motorcycle.TRS0&_nkw=vinyl+stripe+motorcycle&_sacat=0)

Just pick one that suits your liking.  I bought something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-Racing-Stripes-Vinyl-Decal-Sticker-Car-Motorcycle-/130552683742?hash=item1e658bdcde&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-Racing-Stripes-Vinyl-Decal-Sticker-Car-Motorcycle-/130552683742?hash=item1e658bdcde&vxp=mtr)

And just applied the thick and one pinstripe, discarding the other pinstripe.  In case it isn't obvious, they come in a variety of colors---the black is just how they list it in order to clearly show the pattern.



One final comment in case you've never used this stuff before.  Apply it as best you can knowing that the contours of the tank will case some imperfections like small bubbles, etc.  You can scrape most out with a credit card and the rest will come out under a hot sun as the material stretches.  If you get it wrong, just tear it off and use a new one until you get it right.  At $10-20 it's not like they are a big investment.


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: hazem77 on March 10, 2015, 03:32:45 AM
Big Thanks Man..

 [thumbsup]
 8)


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: 1.21GW on March 17, 2015, 08:29:35 AM
Big Thanks Man..

 [thumbsup]
 8)

No problem.  Post of pic of how it looks when you're done.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NEW MONSTER 821
Post by: Locoman on February 24, 2016, 06:32:13 AM
The good thing about the new monsters is that I have no desire to trade in my 2012 796.

I just did and for good reason, the 821 has heaps more power to overtake B-Triples and a comfortable riding position and most important a 17.5L fuel tank, on my 796 I was lucky to get 200km from a tank which really limit d where I could go, the 821 gives me over 300km.


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