I purchased a used 2007 S2R 1000. The seller was not the original owner and didn't know much about what had been done to the bike (just rode it basically).
The stock exhaust has been modified, from what I can tell it is a full-system Termignoni replacement from the headers back. I don't know if the ECU was also changed or flashed.
The bike runs ok, I'm not sure if its the 1000cc twin or the ECU but it is really twitchy in 1st gear and almost sounds like a pop when I downshift hard into 2nd from 3rd. It has also stalled a couple of times when stopped when the bike is warmed up. The idle when warm also surges a bit when stopped at a light.
Is there any way to know what ECU/MAP is being used by looking at the bike? My worry is that they did not flash the upgrade with the exhaust package.
What else should I do here? I'm pretty handy guy but don't have any of the tools needed to poke around at the electronics yet.
Thanks again!
If I remember correctly, if it's the upgraded DP-ECU then you should see DP scroll across the dash when you turn the bike on
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2014, 09:56:35 AM
If I remember correctly, if it's the upgraded DP-ECU then you should see DP scroll across the dash when you turn the bike on
Only on the second generation Monsters.
See if you can find the part# on the ECU and post up.
Where is the ECU, how would I take pictures of it to tell what kind it is?
Is there any other components that would help know what type of modification was done to the exhaust?
Edit1: Definately no "DP" on startup
Edit2: I would also like to take the handlebar riser off, but I need a set of the 4 original shorter bolts that are used to attach the clamps? Best place to get those?
Cheers.
The ECU is on the right side, below the battery - the part # stickers are 'easily' visible.
The exhausts for the S2R came with dedicated ECU's and open air filter lids, so it would be strange if it wasn't installed.
S2R1000 has a stepper motor to adjust idle. Not so uncommon that it surges, but maybe not normal that it stops.
The stock riser bolts are in the previous owner's garage - buy new at a dealer.
Quote from: howie on August 19, 2014, 12:05:28 PM
Only on the second generation Monsters.
See if you can find the part# on the ECU and post up.
That's weird, my 2006 would say DP on the dash
Here are the pictures of what I think is the ECU.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vudVARJoEvw/U_QVmQqYUiI/AAAAAAAAq08/dcwsWVWhBEk/w553-h747-no/IMG_20140819_211727.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pYqDoQcAZiY/U_QVsvOe84I/AAAAAAAAq1E/8ZcLq_9hXWk/w1009-h747-no/IMG_20140819_211755.jpg)
Ok a google search of the ECU 96517406B turns up some info that looks like the DP part. Interesting.
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
That's weird, my 2006 would say DP on the dash
Do you have the DP ECU or a reflashed stock ECU?
I don't know, but maybe the dash message is something they put in when reflashing...
Quote from: jthunder on August 19, 2014, 08:30:03 PM
Here are the pictures of what I think is the ECU.
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Ok a google search of the ECU 96517406B turns up some info that looks like the DP part. Interesting.
That is the ECU [thumbsup] Your dealer should be able to confirm, but the part # and the fact that exhausts were usually sold with dedicated ECU point in the direction of a DP ECU.
My 1k did similar hunting for idle, dealer tuned it out, via stepper motor and tech basically gave me two options:
A) deal with the hunting idle
B) deal with it being a bit hard to cold start, meaning I had to nurse the throttle a bit for a minute or so until she would idle on her own.
I chose option B and never looked back
The bolts can be sourced from McMaster Carr or the dealer or the classifieds here may even have something.
I think the DP on the dash is if they mate the ECU to the bike, IIRC once this is done it can't be used on any other bike/sold.
ps. Where's the bike pics???? ;D
I believe it has the DP Race ECU, the ones I've seen start with the number "9".
You can Google Guzzidiag and download the program, the reader and the writer. You can backup the map on the ECU, reset the service icon and test various sensors. Not sure what for your particular bike but there should be some to test.
Get LT's Repair Manual http://www.desmotimes.com/ (http://www.desmotimes.com/) and some tools and learn to work on your bike.
Awesome info, thanks for the help. I think I'm happy with the ECU being the right one. I've got a few things that I'm going to do over the next couple of days/weeks:
1. Change oil and filterscreen.
2. Change front brake pads.
3. Reset the suspension to stock and tune for 1-up and more of a track setup (it is way to soft right now).
4. Change out the rear tyre.
Any other tips, sprocket changes? swap bars for clip ons?
Pictures coming....
Quote from: jthunder on August 20, 2014, 06:59:48 AM
Awesome info, thanks for the help. I think I'm happy with the ECU being the right one. I've got a few things that I'm going to do over the next couple of days/weeks:
1. Change oil and filterscreen.
2. Change front brake pads.
3. Reset the suspension to stock and tune for 1-up and more of a track setup (it is way to soft right now).
4. Change out the rear tyre.
Any other tips, sprocket changes? swap bars for clip ons?
Pictures coming....
I say do nothing for the rest of the summer (other that what you list). That way you get a feel for the bike. And then you have a baseline to decide if you want/need to change the ergonomics, gear ratio (via sprockets), etc.
I know that's probably not the answer you're looking for, because it sounds like you are champing at the bit to get modding. If that's the case, do cosmetic mods for now until you have some familiarity with how it rides and then after a thousand miles or two do mods that affect performance/ride.
Ok great ideas,
I'm going to change the pads, fluids and filters just so I know that is all taken care of. I also have a tail chop kit on the way with replacement signals for the front and rear, I think this will help show the bike and single sidedness off a bit (I am in the less-is-more camp).
I hear the tip about getting a feel for the bike before changing the geometry/ergos. Here is a bit of my inspiration for changes:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/s2r1000/cliponsrightsideview.jpg?t=1218409579)
Do you know when the cambelts were last changed?
Quote from: stopintime on August 20, 2014, 01:25:42 AM
Do you have the DP ECU or a reflashed stock ECU? I don't know, but maybe the dash message is something they put in when reflashing...
I believe mine was reflashed by the dealer
Quote from: Greg on August 20, 2014, 04:17:50 PM
I believe mine was reflashed by the dealer
photo of dash display? i've never seen a pre nouvo with any message on the dash. without the canbus system the nouvo's use i can't see how it could be programmed into the ecu.
Quote from: jthunder on August 20, 2014, 01:12:23 PM
Ok great ideas,
I'm going to change the pads, fluids and filters just so I know that is all taken care of. I also have a tail chop kit on the way with replacement signals for the front and rear, I think this will help show the bike and single sidedness off a bit (I am in the less-is-more camp).
I hear the tip about getting a feel for the bike before changing the geometry/ergos. Here is a bit of my inspiration for changes:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/s2r1000/cliponsrightsideview.jpg?t=1218409579)
I happen to know a little bit about that bike.... ;D
Homegrown tail chop
Clear Alternatives integrated LED brake light/turn signals
Quat D exhaust
Black Rizoma rearsets
Gold SpeedyMoto pressure plate
Black Motowheels? open clutch cover
DP gel seat
SpeedyMoto top triple clamp
LSL clip ons
CRG bar end mirrors
Gold Rizoma reservoirs
Gauges dropped below the top triple
Headlight lowered
Probably a few other things that I am forgetting.....and the bike looks a lot different these days. [Dolph]
Also, i may have missed it. If you don't know when the belts were last changed, it would be a good idea to be proactive with that.
Here is what the bike looks like today.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bId41saI2pw/U_yv341L89I/AAAAAAAADXk/WzgTz6hhzWc/w1124-h843-no/IMG_20140825_171759.jpg)
Quote from: herm on August 23, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
I happen to know a little bit about that bike.... ;D
Clear Alternatives integrated LED brake light/turn signals
Quat D exhaust
Black Rizoma rearsets
Gold SpeedyMoto pressure plate
Black Motowheels? open clutch cover
DP gel seat
SpeedyMoto top triple clamp
LSL clip ons
CRG bar end mirrors
Gold Rizoma reservoirs
Gauges dropped below the top triple
Headlight lowered
Probably a few other things that I am forgetting.....and the bike looks a lot different these days. [Dolph]
I knew I had seen that bike before . . .
Belts ....
Quote from: brad black on August 21, 2014, 01:56:35 AM
photo of dash display? i've never seen a pre nouvo with any message on the dash. without the canbus system the nouvo's use i can't see how it could be programmed into the ecu.
Sorry but I sold the bike earlier in the year, so no pics available, but am 100% sure it scrolled DP across the dash when it was initially turned on.
Quote from: Greg on August 26, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
Sorry but I sold the bike earlier in the year, so no pics available, but am 100% sure it scrolled DP across the dash when it was initially turned on.
my 2006 s2r1000 (pictured above) with stock ECU has never scrolled DP across the dash.
Sweet ride herm, i'd have to say I lie the before shot but thats just me and might be just a better angle.
On the cosmetic side ive completed a tail chop using monstertailchop kit with the anodized frame bolts and replacing the rear light and signals with a smoked all in one led unit (pics coming soon). It worked really well except for the seat latch on the DP seat was too low which I fixed with two washers. I also removed the rear footpegs and windscreen as I only plan on riding one up and theyre easy to put back on. The windscreen really just bounced around and imo looks a little goofy. Again easy enough to remount for longer highway trips.
On the functional side. The bike came with open belt covers. Well plastic ones that only cover the sides of the belts. Not sure what to think about this as some say they've used them completly open without problem. Im thinking that the belts could use a change. Tips for replacement? Something I should attempt? What tools?
The other main item is the suspension that needs to be setup for me properlyboth the rear shock and front forks feel too soft to me, and at 190 lbs move a lot during normal city riding.
Ill update more later.
Quote from: jthunder on September 04, 2014, 10:28:12 PM
Sweet ride herm, i'd have to say I lie the before shot but thats just me and might be just a better angle.
On the cosmetic side ive completed a tail chop using monstertailchop kit with the anodized frame bolts and replacing the rear light and signals with a smoked all in one led unit (pics coming soon). It worked really well except for the seat latch on the DP seat was too low which I fixed with two washers. I also removed the rear footpegs and windscreen as I only plan on riding one up and theyre easy to put back on. The windscreen really just bounced around and imo looks a little goofy. Again easy enough to remount for longer highway trips.
On the functional side. The bike came with open belt covers. Well plastic ones that only cover the sides of the belts. Not sure what to think about this as some say they've used them completly open without problem. Im thinking that the belts could use a change. Tips for replacement? Something I should attempt? What tools?
The other main item is the suspension that needs to be setup for me properlyboth the rear shock and front forks feel too soft to me, and at 190 lbs move a lot during normal city riding.
Ill update more later.
Doing the belts yourself depends on your mechanical aptitude i think. Make sure they are done, sooner than later.
My experience with the stock suspension was similar to yours (175#) Honestly, there is not much you can do with it in "stock" form. Look into having the forks rebuilt custom for you,....or go shopping for a better set.
Aren't the showa forks fully adjustable on the s2r1000? I thought the non adjustable forks were on the 800.
They are, but adjustment if the spring and valving are not suitable for you is not very helpful.
Get a repair manual from LT at desmotimes.com
I would get rid of the open belt covers unless you plan to ride this bike on beautiful sunny days only. The bearings will rust and one day you'll pop a belt.
Ok, I found the service manual in PDF format which is really helpful and a must have for any adjustments I'd say.
I'm going to be following the instructions found here for getting the suspension setup this weekend with a friend of mine who just happened to pick-up the exact same year and model of S2R.
And here is a picture of mine, now with the tail chop done and smoked integrated LED tail light installed, and handlebar risers removed. Normally the passenger sets are also removed but I was giving a ride out so they're on. The rear tire is also scheduled for replacement this winter.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPKZAON4yi0/VBMflhbf6lI/AAAAAAAAq5I/H-8ice_0OIg/w1123-h747-no/DSC_0088.JPG)
For the suspension look into getting racetech front springs. They have a chart with the recommended spring weight for each persons weight. I had it done to my bike this summer and it made a world of a difference. For me I had the rear shock adjusted slightly which helped a lot too but I would recommend getting a heavier rear spring as well (I'm only 170 or so). Just as a warning though the kit does not come with spacers so you may have to cut your own but the mechanic at my dealer didn't have any trouble with them.
Also for the engine idle issues a throttle body sync sorted about 95% of my problems with that. Only problems I still have is that she isn't really fond of cold starting and it takes a little convincing in the mornings.
Man. Minus 30c here and this thread reminds me that spring is slowly coming. Not much to update on the build other than a couple of parts came over the last couple months. I picked up some cheap clip-ons that I'm going to experiment with. I'm also thinking about chopping a few inches from the end of each pipe to better line them up with the back of the bike. I also need to adjust their mounting to the bracket.
I'm toying with the idea of a lowered headlamp / gauges and cleaning up the front of the bike somewhat, maybe even picking up a motoscope pro and replace the stock gauges completely.
Anyway maybe someone has debated some of these changes before and can chime in.
Cheers.
Quote from: jthunder on January 05, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
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, maybe even picking up a motoscope pro and replace the stock gauges completely.
Anyway maybe someone has debated some of these changes before and can chime in.
Cheers.
Search for the MotoGadget threads - lots of info [thumbsup]