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Hmmm great start for the new duc team

FP1
Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   336.1   1'48.995   
2   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   324.7   1'49.185   0.190 / 0.190
3   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   330.5   1'49.290   0.295 / 0.105
4   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   330.8   1'49.496   0.501 / 0.206
5   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   332.3   1'49.715   0.720 / 0.219
6   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   330.8   1'49.942   0.947 / 0.227
7   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   331.7   1'50.043   1.048 / 0.101
8   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   330.9   1'50.120   1.125 / 0.077
9   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   338.8   1'50.224   1.229 / 0.104
10   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   331.3   1'50.246   1.251 / 0.022
11   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   333.1   1'50.268   1.273 / 0.022
12   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Ducati Team   Ducati   330.7   1'50.339   1.344 / 0.071
13   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Energy T.I. Pramac Racing   Ducati   329.7   1'50.397   1.402 / 0.058
14   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Avintia Racing   Ducati   332.2   1'50.731   1.736 / 0.334
15   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Honda   317.8   1'50.793   1.798 / 0.062
16   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   315.3   1'50.912   1.917 / 0.119
17   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   324.0   1'51.051   2.056 / 0.139
18   15   Alex DE ANGELIS   RSM   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   326.0   1'51.391   2.396 / 0.340
19   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   315.9   1'51.680   2.685 / 0.289
20   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Octo IodaRacing Team   ART   311.2   1'52.569   3.574 / 0.889
21   63   Mike DI MEGLIO   FRA   Avintia Racing   Avintia   311.9   1'52.913   3.918 / 0.344
22   70   Michael LAVERTY   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   315.7   1'53.532   4.537 / 0.619
23   23   Broc PARKES   AUS   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   307.5   1'53.643   4.648 / 0.111

Hector Barbecue!

(Stolen from another forum)

Funny but not...He was not quite as quick in fp2 relative. No big surprise there...

FP2
Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   335.7   1'48.285   
2   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   332.7   1'48.328   0.043 / 0.043
3   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   336.4   1'48.734   0.449 / 0.406
4   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   339.0   1'48.747   0.462 / 0.013
5   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   325.5   1'48.938   0.653 / 0.191
6   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   334.4   1'48.966   0.681 / 0.028
7   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   328.8   1'48.969   0.684 / 0.003
8   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   336.0   1'49.002   0.717 / 0.033
9   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   330.7   1'49.011   0.726 / 0.009
10   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   330.6   1'49.312   1.027 / 0.301
11   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Ducati Team   Ducati   328.3   1'49.373   1.088 / 0.061
12   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Energy T.I. Pramac Racing   Ducati   331.0   1'49.650   1.365 / 0.277
13   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   333.9   1'49.711   1.426 / 0.061
14   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   322.0   1'50.283   1.998 / 0.572
15   15   Alex DE ANGELIS   RSM   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   324.3   1'50.408   2.123 / 0.125
16   17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Honda   318.2   1'50.472   2.187 / 0.064
17   8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Avintia Racing   Ducati   326.5   1'50.487   2.202 / 0.015
18   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   318.8   1'50.890   2.605 / 0.403
19   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   316.0   1'51.110   2.825 / 0.220
20   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Octo IodaRacing Team   ART   312.6   1'51.510   3.225 / 0.400
21   23   Broc PARKES   AUS   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   309.8   1'52.415   4.130 / 0.905
22   70   Michael LAVERTY   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   318.3   1'52.600   4.315 / 0.185
23   63   Mike DI MEGLIO   FRA   Avintia Racing   Avintia   313.2   1'52.684   4.399 / 0.084

New Repsol rider.   :D

MARC MARQUEZ MotoGP of the ANIMAL KINGDOM :-) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBghiq5VPlk#)

Pos.   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time   Gap 1st/Prev.
1   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   328.2   1'47.187   
2   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   329.1   1'47.549   0.362 / 0.362
3   29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   332.2   1'47.685   0.498 / 0.136
4   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   327.3   1'47.865   0.678 / 0.180
5   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Ducati Team   Ducati   326.7   1'47.897   0.710 / 0.032
6   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   328.3   1'48.226   1.039 / 0.329
7   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   327.2   1'48.246   1.059 / 0.020
8   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   330.3   1'48.368   1.181 / 0.122
9   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   331.2   1'48.542   1.355 / 0.174
10   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   321.4   1'48.568   1.381 / 0.026
11   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   327.9   1'48.810   1.623 / 0.242
12      8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Avintia Racing   Ducati         

I am afraid tomorrow there will be two races.
One between MM and Pedro, and the other one with the remaining bikes.

We'll see about that.   [popcorn]  Apparently though, the factory Yamaha's aren't looking too swift.

Hopefully Crazy Joe can get a really good start. At least make the first 3-4 laps fun until his tyres are shot. Then mm will probably clear out...

MM looks able to run 1:48's without a struggle.
FP3 and FP4 combined he did 17 laps out of 26 in the 48's.

Pol managed to do 6, a few guys one or two, and lots of guys got none.

Crutchlow takes 3rd - awesome job.

MM really needs to play it safer and wrap up the Championship, he's lucky that Rossi and Pedrosa crashed out.

Repsol boys made terrible decisions today.

Smart race by Lorenzo  [clap]

And for Crusty to be on the podium, I don't think the cameras were on him for even a minute  during the race ???

Pos.   Points   Num.   Rider   Nation   Team   Bike   Km/h   Time/Gap
1   25   99   Jorge LORENZO   SPA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   158.0   44'20.406
2   20   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   157.4   +10.295
3   16   35   Cal CRUTCHLOW   GBR   Ducati Team   Ducati   157.4   +10.312
4   13   6   Stefan BRADL   GER   LCR Honda MotoGP   Honda   157.3   +11.718
5   11   38   Bradley SMITH   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   156.3   +29.483
6   10   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Monster Yamaha Tech 3   Yamaha   156.2   +29.686
7   9   19   Alvaro BAUTISTA   SPA   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   156.2   +29.763
8   8   7   Hiroshi AOYAMA   JPN   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   155.8   +37.841
9   7   69   Nicky HAYDEN   USA   Drive M7 Aspar   Honda   155.5   +42.957
10   6   45   Scott REDDING   GBR   GO&FUN Honda Gresini   Honda   154.9   +53.937
11   5   9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA   Octo IodaRacing Team   ART   154.5   +59.824
12   4   15   Alex DE ANGELIS   RSM   NGM Forward Racing   Forward Yamaha   154.5   +1'00.718
13   3   93   Marc MARQUEZ   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   153.6   +1'15.227
14   2   26   Dani PEDROSA   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   153.1   +1'24.526
15   1   68   Yonny HERNANDEZ   COL   Energy T.I. Pramac Racing   Ducati   152.4   +1'38.255
16      70   Michael LAVERTY   GBR   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   150.2   1 Lap
17      63   Mike DI MEGLIO   FRA   Avintia Racing   Avintia   148.7   1 Lap
18      23   Broc PARKES   AUS   Paul Bird Motorsport   PBM   148.7   1 Lap
19      8   Hector BARBERA   SPA   Avintia Racing   Ducati   145.7   1 Lap
Not Classified
4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   ITA   Ducati Team   Ducati   163.6   5 Laps
46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   164.1   20 Laps
29   Andrea IANNONE   ITA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   160.8   22 Laps
17   Karel ABRAHAM   CZE   Cardion AB Motoracing   Honda   154.1   22 Laps

Smart race by Lorenzo! The Repsol boys were on the other side of that coin. I kept shouting at the screen every time they past the pit lane. Even the wife got an ear full. As soon as the Turd hit the deck I knew it was just a matter of time before MM followed. They did manage to finish, which to me was a miracle.

Crutchlow was incredibly lucky. He was gifted that podium, same as Aleix, but there's something to be said about being conservative. Dovi could have finished second if he would have pited. And on to the other Ducs...

When I saw Iannone's crash at first I thought Lorenzo had somehow nudged him off the track. For a split second I was calling JLo a hypocrite. I went back and saw that he was on his own, basically on a straight line, then the moment that took him onto the grass. That was scary to watch a second time. He had a lot of momentum and for a second you would have thought that he was going to save it, then the back came out.

Vale's crash was also scary. He was definitely nudged off the track by the Turd. I was truly concerned when I saw him laying there and then being gurnied off the track. As of right now he's only been diagnosed with a concussion. We'll see how well he goes next race.

Dovi was just being dumb. You know the Duc has potential to do well in the rain, pit and get on the rain tires!!! Damn! And he was limping after the crash. WTF?!?! I need to see the interview to see what the hell he was thinking.

All in all, the first half of the race was very interesting. There were battles before the rain that kept my hopes high. After it started raining, it turned into a cluster make the beast with two backs. I know that it's up to the riders to decide when to come in, but as a team manager, I would have told the riders to pit, specially since MM doesn't have the best track record of piting when he should.

So why do a lot of these tracks have a thin strip of grass between the track and the run off?

They use the green to identify when a rider has exceeded track boundaries.

That means a lap will be discounted if timed like in qualy or practice, and probably the rider would lose a place or a penalty if they do it in a race

Great exciting race.

MM not going in early cost him a win, but then he can afford to lose.

So sad for Rossi  :(  Glad he is ok.  Hate to say this but Pedrosa going down will help Rossi in the overall standing and catch up to him.

Lorenzo smart race.

Very happy for Cal.

ps.  Moto3 is once again fun and exciting to watch  :)

Wouldn't it be better to use paint than slick astro turf?

That was a crazy race!

Terrible decision by Pedro and MM.

Too bad for Rossi...bad place to try to find room on the outside though.

I wish it would have stayed dry, as MM, Pedro and JLo were looking to have an epic battle. Oh well, still very entertaining!

Probably, but paint would be slippery too.

Both Rossi and Iannone cleared the astroturf. Iannone went down on the grass, and Rossi lost it when he hit the wet asphalt past the astro-turf.

edit...after re-watching the vids Rossi did indeed lose it on the turf...maybe they will make some changes in the interest of safety...

but... Rossi should really have thought better of trying to make that move on the outside in those conditions.

It didn't look like he was trying an outside move. The Turd moved back into the racing line. Rossi could have braked, but he chose to move farther to the left. That was the bad choice.

Watch it again...Dani didn't move more than a foot.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2014/Aragon+2014+MotoGP+RACE+Action+Valentino+Rossi+Crash (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2014/Aragon+2014+MotoGP+RACE+Action+Valentino+Rossi+Crash)

I think it was just a case of Yamaha corner speed and Rossi's poor judgment in that instance.

Just a racing incident imo... Dani did move but it just happened that they were both trying to be in the same place at the same time.  Rossi looked like he was carrying a lot more speed than everyone else so I think he was going to go wide no matter what and Dani just blocked his line at the last second.

But at least the race was fun the whole way around... normally we have great starts that turn into processions by the end.  This time the added rain made it a lot more iffy the whole time.  I'm glad the Cal got that podium though... it seems that he's finally getting the hang of the bike... just in time to leave it.

Seeing it again, Rossi was definitely taking the corner wider than Dani. He ran out of track.

And it looked like Rossi got a big drive out of the preceding corner and/or Pedrosa got a crap drive.

Nice to see that the merit of grass/no grass in Spain is a hotly debated topic...

Race was certainly different to what I envisaged...

Was hopeful of a Crazy Joe save until the rear started bouncing.

I was also surprised MM was OK after the bike clocked him while was hanging on holding the throttle open...

Fascinating race strategy wise. In hindsight the Repsol boys screwed the pooch. In the saddle... harder to say. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.

Essentially wet times didn't get below 2m02s laps, but most average 2m04s or worse. Until the lap Dani binned it, Marquez was faster than that on slicks by up to a few seconds. If he maintained the pace he had the lap before Dani binned it, Marquez would have won by about 10 seconds. If the conditions only got as bad as the lap Dani binned it, he would have ended up about 5th without pitting. On the flipside, if he didn't trip over and pitted at either the end of the lap Dani binned it or tiptoed around on the lap he binned it, he'd have ended up 8th or so. Maybe better if he battled with the Tech3 boys.

(http://teamghettoracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/aragon_motogp_2014_race_history_raw-1024x483.png)
is my raw race history chart, and I did the quick extrapolation and discussed it a touch more over here: http://teamghettoracing.com/2014/09/motogp-2014-aragon/ (http://teamghettoracing.com/2014/09/motogp-2014-aragon/)

Pit stop wise it was also fascinating. Marquez was about mid pack in pitstop time, but he did have a slow in lap (even in the last sector) given he came off. I chucked up a couple of graphs of that here: http://teamghettoracing.com/2014/09/motogp-2014-aragon-pit-stop-analysis/ (http://teamghettoracing.com/2014/09/motogp-2014-aragon-pit-stop-analysis/)

Fun times. No doubt a bit of wailing and gnashing of teeth going on in the Honda team.

I know COTA uses astroturf, and we were warned about it before going out on the track. In the recent Lemans Endurance race there, they had an issue with the cars tearing up the astroturf and dragging it onto the track.

It's also at Laguna on the very exit of turn 11 where if you were to hit it wrong, you will lose control right next to a concrete barrier.

FWIW, Marquez thinks Astroturf has a place on some corners:

Marquez was asked whether he felt the inclusion of AstroTurf in the run-off zone at MotoGP circuits was 'stupid'.

“Never is it stupid because we ride really fast and when we you go wide it is so difficult to say 'now we will release the brakes and then we will brake again'. Sometimes you think you can't release the brake and you feel the pressure of the brake is not so high, but on the tarmac it is really high,” Marquez said.

“Always we are speaking with the Safety Commission but I think we need to keep [the AstroTurf] at some corners, but of course when it rained the day before than it can be more dangerous.”

Full article: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/209166/1/marquez-aragon-blunder-completely-my-fault.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/209166/1/marquez-aragon-blunder-completely-my-fault.html)

Good move MotoGP  [clap]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/209584/1/motogp-to-remove-artificial-grass-reconsider-flagtoflag.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/209584/1/motogp-to-remove-artificial-grass-reconsider-flagtoflag.html)