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Will the CA version have the evap crappister?

If we are lucky that's all it will have. ;)

All US-spec versions have to have the charcoal evap canister.... as shipped.... :-)

Are you sure? I thought that was only fifty state versions. I.E. only ones that meet CARB standards. In under the impression US EPA standards for MCycles don't yet require it (has that changed?).

50 state, as is most stuff these days. My 2011 796 had it. Ditched at 1st service and left oil cooler shroud replaced with the EC plastic. http://motowheels.com/i-6921561-ducati-air-deflector-left-side-m696-m1100.html (http://motowheels.com/i-6921561-ducati-air-deflector-left-side-m696-m1100.html)

Bikes have all had the charcoal canisters for years. I've never bought one in CA, and they've all had the canister.

I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear.  ALL BRANDS? My Guzzi and Duc are, but I don't think Harleys or JAPanInc is yet?

Is Indian/VIC?

Triumph?

The $1M question is, are those shown in the pictures the EU versions, or are the US ones and magically the crappister is hidden somewhere?
In the DNA video, I see no crappister, unless they cheated and used a EU version.

Read it all here http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf (http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf) better article here http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/313/1572/Motorcycle-Article/Motorcycle-Emissions-Regs-Examined.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/313/1572/Motorcycle-Article/Motorcycle-Emissions-Regs-Examined.aspx)

Ducati's monsters have had that evap cannister since at least 2006.

And yes Victory's have had both an evap cannister and catalytic converters. My 04' Kingpin nor my 01' Sportcruiser have either but all the new motors do I think since 07'. From what I've read the evap has not effect on performance, it's a cosmetic issue. The cat on Victory's usually go away with the addition of aftermarket exhaust, which technically is not legal. The only complaint I have is the excessive heat all the bikes have now and this is directly related to meeting the emissions standards. - Gene

2002 as my 02 had one. Fell off somewhere down the road...  [Dolph]

Aprilia, Ducati, Guzzi, and KTM are the ones I know about...all yes.

I appreciate the links, but they don't actually answer the question unless I'm missing something.

The closest it gets is that FAQ sheet from the EPA says:


That points out what we already knew, that at the time CARB required EVAP canisters while Feds did not.

It doesn't clearly state that the Feds are adding such a requirement.

Even if they don't (and maybe they do know, I'm not saying they don't), it's not surprising that some, especially smaller volume manufacturers like Guzzi or Ducati would have required it on all bikes to simply make them 50 state compliant.

I thought I was still hearing an occasional debate from people whether they could bring a late-model JAPanInc. bike into CA because of possible lack of compliance. If everything marketed in the US was 50 state compliant since say 2007 or so as you seem to be saying, then those conversations should all be over by now.

That said, some of my google searches seem to suggest that in the end the EPA just wound up adopting CA standards at some point, so maybe all new bikes are 50 state compliant at this point because of it.

I dunno, my last two new ones 2011 and 2014 were 50 state compliant but I just figured it was because of the low volume thing.

Hmmm, guess I'll have to pay more attention next time I look at a new Harley or Triumph to see if I can ferret out the canisters.

BTW, I'm very familiar with the tech of the systems and am not questioning their impact on overall performance of the bike.

I was just literally not aware that the whole market may have moved to 50 state compliance (something that I think was overdue, but perhaps I'm not thrilled we've handed over such a large part of our own regulations to ONE state if you know what I mean, but that's a whole separate conversation).

It's been that way with cars since ~ 1996. Agreed with you X10+, but nothing will change unless the EPA is abolished or the Pacific Coast moves to Reno.  8)

The issue for Ducati is that they make bikes certified to CARB because making them in two versions would mean having to get two separate EPA certs.

IN order to get a CARB cert, you have to get an EPA cert first.  $$$$

Any changes in the model's emissions profile means it has to be retested and recertified.  $$$$$

For car makers, this isn't an issue because of volume.  Likewise larger bike manufacturers, however, most just make one model certified for CARB.

Ducati saves money by getting their bikes certified for EPA and CARB and letting it lie.  Removing the charcoal evap is a grey area of EPA regs

lol where is Lex Luthor when you need him?

For your reading enjoyment:  BTW while this will not change peoples habits much it will potentially cost some bucks for mucking with the exhaust as it no longer a just a fix it ticket.  Worse yet if the loud pipe can not get you pulled over it sure will make getting out a ticket a lot more difficult as a pipe ticket will likely come with a moving violation that otherwise might have been talked out of.  My thoughts are that if you modify the bike and get pulled over be very very polite....

While motorcycle manufacturers have been complying with the federal law since it was effective in 1983, the new law now makes it a state crime to operate any motorcycle registered in the state that was built on or after Jan. 1, 2013, that doesn’t have a federal Environmental Protection Agency exhaust system sound emissions label.

Yes, it is new very clear that this new California law requires street motorcycles registered in the state and built on or after Jan. 1, 2013, to have an exhaust system label certifying the motorcycles meet federal sound limits.

In addition, the California law requires aftermarket motorcycle exhaust systems made on or after Jan. 1, 2013, to display the EPA sound emissions label, and therefore applies to individuals who seek to replace the exhaust system on affected streetbikes.

Apparently, thousands of motorcyclists first tried to oppose the California bill, and then to urge Schwarzenegger to reject it.

Nick Haris says: "Many EPA labels are very difficult to locate on motorcycles. This law could lead to a flurry of tickets for motorcyclists who have legal exhaust systems with EPA labels on their machines that can’t be easily seen," explains the American Motorcyclists Association (AMA) Western States Representative expressed major concerns about the new California motorcycle exhaust law.

"It’s unreasonable to expect a law enforcement officer to easily locate an EPA label, and it’s simply unfair to expect a motorcycle owner to partially dismantle an exhaust system along the roadside to prove the label exists."

Violators face fines of up to $100 for a first offense and up to $250 for subsequent offenses. California Judges have the discretion to dismiss the fine for first-time offenders if the violation is corrected.

Also, a violation is considered a secondary offense, meaning a police officer can’t stop a motorcyclist solely because the officer believes the motorcyclist is breaking the sound emissions label law.


Mine was built prior to January as it was a 2013 purchased in the USA in January!  It's a little loophole I have not yet had to test.

Getting rid of EPA sounds good but I think it's more about getting $$$ and politics out of the decision making on such critical matters as the environment. Let the science dictate, in my best example I'll point to the RFS. But really we should get back on topic or start a new thread. Ducati announced that you will be able to see the scrambler in person at AIMExpo. I'll be down in Daytona all next week for Bike Octoberfest and riding with my sister, normally I would not go over to Orlando but I might just make an exception. - Gene

Back on topic is completed.

Smart prune mods - thanks (and sorry about the hijack).  [thumbsup]

Didn't I also read that they have proposed that you need a label on a race bike even, red in color? - Gene

IIRC the red/green thing is more for off-road as in red is something like off-road race track areas only, and green allows use in the wildlife areas where OHVs are permitted.  Someone from Cali can probably clear that up.  I'm not expert I'm a few thousand miles east.

I know that my dealer would sell the bike and it would magically be delivered sans the canister and such.

JM

Catch phrase in the Scrambler DNA page  ;D

"The images showed can refer to prototypes that may undergo modifications, also of a significant nature, during the industrialization phase and are therefore solely informative, providing reference. The images are thus in no way binding for Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A., a sole shareholder company, subject to the management and coordination activities of Audi AG"

 ??? What the hell does canister whingeing even mean?

Kalifornia.  Just don't sell bikes there. Problem solved.  With half the cities bankrupt, the state on the verge and a mass exodus of population fleeing that cess pool it is not like companies will be losing a lot of sales.

I am guessing it is one of those British euphemisms.  Kinda like "smoking a fag".  Does not really have much to do with killing a gay guy and sounds just odd.

Fixored for ya...

California is the single largest market in the US for sales.  Probably a quarter of all Ducatis sold in the US go to California.

A better solution would be to just remove the canister like everyone does.  Takes 10 minutes, 15 tops.  Done and done.

British for "whining"

JM

[thumbsdown] Wow, whole lot of misinformation and B.S. in this post.

I'll second that!  :o