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Title: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 02:28:41 PM In this thread I will cover the modifications im currently preforming to my bike. Its a 1995 M900. I recently had a bad wreck where i hit a cat while in a corner. I broke my left femur and had to have re-constructive knee surgery. I thought what a better time to change my bike, i cant ride it anyway. keep in mind in 19 years old.
Things to do -brace stock swingarm -design and fabricate rear suspension -fabricate aluminum subframe Bike before the crash. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/ducride093.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 02:29:16 PM ok lets get started.
First thing is to get the bike where you can comfortably work on it. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1380.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1378.jpg) Then take apart everything that needs to come off (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1382-1.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1383-1.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 02:30:11 PM Since i dont have the shock yet, its in the mail, i had to make these templates.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1595.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1594.jpg) what the brace will look like (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1606.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1607.jpg) next step, cutting up the stock swingarm, Bye Bye uglyness (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1608.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1609.jpg) I will have plenty of room to run my custom exhaust through here (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1610.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 02:31:05 PM OK NOW FOR THE FUN PART, the frame chop.
mark it (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1621.jpg) and cut it (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1623.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1626.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1628.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1629.jpg) good stuff. Its already looking better (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1633.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1631.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1632.jpg) now a little pipe fitting (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1634.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1635.jpg) SO, what do you think? Am i crazy? Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 02:31:41 PM (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/bobber.jpg)
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Magnus on July 13, 2008, 03:51:36 PM well, i'd have to say that's the most aggressive tail chop i've seen...
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: WestonWith2 on July 13, 2008, 04:11:40 PM Like I replied in your other thread... Looks awesome! I would be afraid though that it might upset handling a bit (I have no idea). You've got some guts!
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Monstermash on July 13, 2008, 06:16:14 PM WTF?? :o
Good luck with that. I can't wait to see this thing finished. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 13, 2008, 06:52:50 PM <bookmark>
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 08:09:42 PM thanks guys. As for the handeling that will be determined by my rear suspension set up. IM bracing the frame where i cut it so it should not loose any strength. Its rearward of the 2 motor mounts, think about it. Its similar to how the superbike frames are made up, and the hypermotard. Ive got a long way to go. Stay tuned folks
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 13, 2008, 08:47:38 PM ill be using Late model monster and superbike linkage design
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/newlinkage.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Monstermash on July 13, 2008, 09:11:36 PM 19 years old and the kids a mad scientist!
Better watch out Norm! [popcorn] Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 14, 2008, 05:37:56 AM 19 years old and the kids a mad scientist! Better watch out Norm! [popcorn] +11ty gazillion Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Big Troubled Bear on July 14, 2008, 06:32:47 AM I have not seen anyone this brave [thumbsup]
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 14, 2008, 08:14:56 AM well i think i re-broke my knee last night. SUCKS. So im just waiting on my shock to arrive.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Monstermash on July 14, 2008, 09:42:58 AM well i think i re-broke my knee last night. SUCKS. So im just waiting on my shock to arrive. Well from the looks of your avatar, it seems like you like to ride the bike pretty hard. I hope the new swingarm/suspension setup will take the abuse. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: JDS 07 S4Rs on July 14, 2008, 10:31:57 AM 19 eh !!!! Move over bike builders of America. Great job. It will be nice to see it finnished.
Broke your knee again. ? ?. That sucks. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 14, 2008, 01:15:10 PM ya here is my knee as of today
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1778.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 14, 2008, 01:46:11 PM ya here is my knee as of today (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1778.jpg) :o Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: MotoPsycho on July 14, 2008, 02:04:54 PM YEEEEEOOOOOUUUUCCCCHHHHH !!!! Godspeed brave soldier.
Very good work done thus far although I'd be too afraid of not being able to find parts if I messed it all up. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: brownwhale on July 15, 2008, 04:02:36 PM you ruffling the purist ducatistas feathers? glad to see you sharing your bike with others besides the customfighters
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 15, 2008, 04:03:44 PM ya im suprised no one has said anything negative yet
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 15, 2008, 04:49:42 PM decided to Try to take some better pictures. the background was just too damn busy.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1784.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1785.jpg) washin some other bikes (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1788.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: He Man on July 15, 2008, 05:10:30 PM you dont even have a subframe anymore lol. While ur at it, why dont u paint ur engine too? everything looks pretty radical. good luck man, we're all waiting on pics, and get that knee checked out! swelling thats more than 3x = doctor visit!
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: printman on July 15, 2008, 05:21:25 PM Wow, nice build
Like the courage in your design. Takes a lot to cut it up like that. Hope it turns out like you want. [thumbsup] Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Ducatl on July 15, 2008, 05:27:30 PM Wow, love it. Very nice work sir. ;D
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 15, 2008, 05:37:47 PM ya im suprised no one has said anything negative yet Hopefully that'll stay that way - at least with this crowd ;D It takes a lot more stones and vision to actually fab up custom work, weld and chop things, and make a bike your own than to customize a bike with some farkles, carbon fiber, and shiney bolt-ons from catalogs, so if anyone has anything negative to say ... F'em [wine] Keep up the good work! [thumbsup] [beer] Adam Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 15, 2008, 05:44:30 PM thanks everyone, i like comments.
just so you know. Im fabricating 2 aluminum subframes, one normal, one bobber. Im trying to find some high temp engine paint in or near the gun metal gray color? any suggestions. While your waition on pics, im waiting on a shock. Once it gets here i can build my suspension linkage, and progress on my frame. No more doctor visits for me. Im already 3k in debt cause of this knee and i cant afford any more visits. Keep in mind im 19 years old. Thanks so far guys, remember i love comments. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 15, 2008, 05:48:11 PM Hopefully that'll stay that way - at least with this crowd ;D It takes a lot more stones and vision to actually fab up custom work, weld and chop things, and make a bike your own than to customize a bike with some farkles, carbon fiber, and shiney bolt-ons from catalogs, so if anyone has anything negative to say ... F'em [wine] Keep up the good work! [thumbsup] [beer] Adam Ya i was on the old board and realized there were alot of good guys on there. I was sad when it got bought. I though i would be pissing off some extreme ducati guys by sutting my frame in half, guess they havent found this thread yet. I think its cool people buy parts and spend TONS of money on their bikes, its just not me. I have to physically change the bike big time. I want something that NO ONE has. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 15, 2008, 06:06:29 PM Ya i was on the old board and realized there were alot of good guys on there. I was sad when it got bought. I though i would be pissing off some extreme ducati guys by sutting my frame in half, guess they havent found this thread yet. I think its cool people buy parts and spend TONS of money on their bikes, its just not me. I have to physically change the bike big time. I want something that NO ONE has. Nah, just call it a modified tail chop ;D Adam Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: MotoPsycho on July 15, 2008, 07:46:28 PM part of owning a monster is making it your own no matter what anybody else says, purist or not. putists wash their bikes everytime they ride it. hell with that. I bought my bike to ride. I tore it down and powdercoated all kinds of shit so there's less time washing(cleans really easy) and more time riding and it looks kickass to boot. if you gotta piss 5 people off to make yourself happy and impress 20 people than I say hack the hell out of it and make it YOUR monster, I did (only I didn't cut as much off).
http://www.hoosierhooligans.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=67&page=3 Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: knightrider on July 15, 2008, 09:07:48 PM it looks to me like you are making a SS. dont ss swingarms already have a brace and shock setup similar to what your planning? i dont think they have a linkage setup though, just a shock from the swingarm to the frame. maybe that would be easier so you dont have to mess with linkage ratios and whatnot.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 16, 2008, 10:07:37 AM ya i was planning on going SS style with a stock ss swinger. I couldnt find a swinger for a reasonable price and i want linkage. I couldnt really do much tuning without linkage. With linkage i can adjust ride height, and switch out rockers to adjust leverage ratios, and adjust my wheel travel.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: pitbull on July 16, 2008, 02:00:35 PM You're a brave young man......I'll be following this thread with much interest
hope you heal up quick. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: knightrider on July 16, 2008, 05:30:51 PM but if you change the rocker ratio, you would need to change the spring rate.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 16, 2008, 06:12:15 PM yes, which i can change with a different spring. I think ive got it figured out where i can use the stock spring just fine.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Howley on July 16, 2008, 07:06:21 PM I'm impressed man, you're very brave. Are there calculations you do to work out the spring rate and geometry etc? Can't wait to see it progress, looks like it's going to be killer.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: BMiller on July 16, 2008, 11:46:25 PM Awesome! Good to see you're putting your down time to good use [thumbsup] I'm looking forward to more progress on this [beer]
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: meano_lover on July 17, 2008, 06:54:16 AM looking good so far! keep up with updates and new pictures, we're all waiting to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Spike on July 17, 2008, 05:07:50 PM It is looking very custom. Keep it up. It is your bike so you can do whatever you want. I like your vision. Good luck! [thumbsup]
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 17, 2008, 06:23:51 PM thanks everyone. I love comments. Ive had no time to work on the bike lately. I go in to work at 10 and get home at 8. I am bringing my triples to sandblast at work tomorrow.
The 954 shock in in the mail headed my way, TN, from NC. Should be here in a day or so. Got my speedometer in today. Its tiny, like an inch by an inch and a half. Gonna mount on my top triple with a custom mount ill fab up. IM having trouble with my linkage design so far. My shock only has 57mm of travel and i need more. 6 inches of wheel travel would be awesome, but im going to have to settle for 5.5 or even 5.3. Im not too happy about that. My dad is going to have me build his 160cc Duc into a dirtbike. Another project for me!!!! As if my hands were not full already. Oh well, it will be neat, and ill get some money from it to fund my stuff. I have sunday and monday off so ill get alot of work done then. STAY TUNED Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DesmoLu on July 17, 2008, 06:38:43 PM This might give you some sort of idea of what it im look like
(http://jdude.brinkster.net/rat1.jpg) (http://jdude.brinkster.net/rat3.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 17, 2008, 06:47:33 PM This might give you some sort of idea of what it im look like Lu - Your new ride? ;D [thumbsup] [wine] Adam Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: brownwhale on July 18, 2008, 06:34:43 AM what speedometer you using? I'm looking for options for mine, tiny sounds good
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 18, 2008, 04:05:42 PM the bicycle one from CF. the link is somewhere over there. It was 15 bucks shipped
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 18, 2008, 06:57:45 PM i did about an hour worth of work to my triples. Hand filed all of the casting ridges of for a cleaner look. I will sand blast them, and paint them black.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 18, 2008, 06:58:43 PM Yes i get to work on the bike tomorrow. Horray. unless i get called in to work. I may "accidentally" loose my phone.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DesmoLu on July 19, 2008, 01:12:04 PM Lu - Your new ride? ;D [thumbsup] [wine] Adam Not mine :'( ::sniff:: Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: That Nice Guy Beck! on July 19, 2008, 04:23:16 PM and here I am afraid to change oil
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 20, 2008, 05:16:50 PM Hand filed my triples for about an hour at work, then sand blasted them. No more seams and they are clean. Now for some black paint.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1793.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1795.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 21, 2008, 11:51:12 AM so i went out in the humid ass 100 degree heat, and made a speedo holder.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1814.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1815.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1816.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1817.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1818.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 21, 2008, 05:27:58 PM (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1821.jpg)
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1823.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 21, 2008, 06:10:43 PM so i was wondering how fast my speedo would go. I hooked the magnet to the drill and entered the biggest wheel size. Got it to 310.5 mph. It would go higher. I was very suprised it would go that high.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1824.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: remy on July 21, 2008, 06:34:11 PM Do you plan to paint the speedo? It's kind of bland compared to the rest.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 21, 2008, 06:52:30 PM ill probably paint it later, its not a main concern of mine at the moment. I thinl ill finish my frame and suspension first.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 21, 2008, 07:08:33 PM ill probably paint it later, its not a main concern of mine at the moment. I thinl ill finish my frame and suspension first. Come on man, get to the BLING!!!! ;) ;D Adam Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 21, 2008, 07:27:50 PM you will have to go somewhere else for bling, as you can see, black paint is my friend.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/ducride096.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/burnout009.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: DrDesmo on July 22, 2008, 04:28:28 AM you will have to go somewhere else for bling, as you can see, black paint is my friend. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/ducride096.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/burnout009.jpg) I meant frame chopping custom work bling, not oooh shiney bling [thumbsup] Adam Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 27, 2008, 03:23:22 PM washed the top triple after sandlasting, air dried it, and shot it with first coat of black
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1866.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1867.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1872.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 27, 2008, 03:24:53 PM ok so i went to change my forks seals. Took fork apart no problem. Sanded pits out of chrome no problem. Scotch bright and buffed sliders no problem. Went to put in expensive ass new seals, PROBLEM. They sent me the wrong size. Not only did they take 4 weeks to get here, but this. Bull shit
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 27, 2008, 03:29:19 PM (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1870.jpg)
look how the old seal was turned inside out. Damn im good. That seal had about 100 miles on it. (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1868.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1869.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: squidwood on July 27, 2008, 04:45:11 PM I know that gsxr fork seals will fit right on a 2005 s2r and they cost $11.00 each.
Maybe that seal will fit your bike and you can save some moolah. What this board needs is a what fits what thread. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: dlearl476 on July 27, 2008, 07:41:15 PM No more doctor visits for me. Im already 3k in debt cause of this knee and i cant afford any more visits. Keep in mind im 19 years old. Thanks so far guys, remember i love comments. I don't want to harsh your groove or anything, but as a 55 year old going under the knife on Tues after a lifetime of abuse, one bit of advice I can give a 19 year old is take care of your body. Riding a motorcycle without a fully functioning left foot (hence the surgery) is a PITA. I can't imagine riding one without a left knee would be any easier. Good Luck with the mods, and the knee. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on July 28, 2008, 06:08:48 PM so here are the triples. The paint really evened out the surface and looks good. A little shiny for my taist. They definitly dont look stock anymore.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1878.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1879.jpg) now i can start on my top secret air box (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1874.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on August 06, 2008, 05:30:50 PM i won a tank on ebay a few days ago, should be here shortly. cant wait
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: Monstermash on August 06, 2008, 09:25:13 PM It might be a good idea to remove the paint from the inside of the triples where they secure the forks.
When I painted my lower triple last year I actually masked it off. Just thought. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: OwnyTony on August 07, 2008, 05:33:35 AM It might be a good idea to remove the paint from the inside of the triples where they secure the forks. When I painted my lower triple last year I actually masked it off. Just thought. Is the reasoning behind this because the paint will make the forks thicker therefore may or maynot be able to fit the triples? Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: oppet on August 07, 2008, 12:22:04 PM Yes... eventually paint will come loose and so does bolts too, thats why I filed my engine/frame surface from paint too.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on August 16, 2008, 08:57:46 AM CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1975.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1976.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1977.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1978-Copy.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1980.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY1984.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on August 17, 2008, 09:46:08 AM ok, new shock location.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY2012.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY2013.jpg) (http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY2016.jpg) shock hangs down less than 1/4 inch more than stock exhaust. Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on August 18, 2008, 08:35:05 PM these are the moving parts of the suspension. The swingarm on the left, with tabs welded on. The rocker plates and mount welded to the engine case. The lower rod. And the arm in the front. The arm is actually pretty complex in 2 dimensions. The shock will be on the other side of the lower rod. And the rear of the shock will be mounted to the engine case with more weld on tabs.
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/truckinduc900/SANY2037.jpg) Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: He Man on August 18, 2008, 08:46:05 PM Thats some serious radical designs man. How are you going to deal with road debris and clearance?
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: truckinduc on August 18, 2008, 08:58:41 PM clearence will be about 1/4 to 1/2 incl less than stock. I dont know about road debris.
Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: He Man on August 18, 2008, 09:06:18 PM clearence will be about 1/4 to 1/2 incl less than stock. I dont know about road debris. Theres been situatioins in the S2R (which have no fenders) where rocks and bits have come up and damaged the shock. So a belly pan would be very importnat investment here.Title: Re: suspension modification Post by: herm on August 18, 2008, 09:11:46 PM I know that gsxr fork seals will fit right on a 2005 s2r and they cost $11.00 each. Maybe that seal will fit your bike and you can save some moolah. What this board needs is a what fits what thread. alternatives to expensive ducati parts (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=698.0) [thumbsup] |