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Title: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 04, 2015, 09:44:49 AM Cleaned up some wiring. You can see all the wires coming up from the rear, speedo, rear brake light, neutral. There is also the original tab for the reservoir behind the wires. All the wires are mil spec now and routed through the frame gusset in one sheath. The top of the wire you see in this pic is hidden by the tank when it is down.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7486/16163852906_005ec4b236_c.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/16010959479_18468df611_c.jpg) (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8669/15567159874_6031984ec1_c.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7501/16189549815_c39295cccc_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129232256@N04/16010959479/) Title: Re: Wires Post by: lazylightnin717 on January 04, 2015, 07:14:44 PM Details my friend.
You've dotted the i's and crossed the t's [thumbsup] Title: Re: Wires Post by: koko64 on January 04, 2015, 07:29:56 PM Nice work. Clean.
Title: Re: Wires Post by: monsta on January 04, 2015, 07:38:45 PM looks good..
what about the earth to the engine, where did ya run that? Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 05, 2015, 09:12:37 AM looks good.. what about the earth to the engine, where did ya run that? It's getting moved. I'll get pics later Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatiz on January 05, 2015, 11:19:24 AM I'll be impressed when you convert the frame to a RF bus and have no wiring at all. :-)
Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 05, 2015, 06:49:54 PM It keeps getting better. Who's doing the work? Have you thought about using the new Motogadget switchgear?
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 05, 2015, 06:53:37 PM A friend of mine is doing the work. We looked at it, but vetoed it.
Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 05, 2015, 08:43:40 PM A friend of mine is doing the work. We looked at it, but vetoed it. Because the buttons are too small? That's what I'm worried about - they look hard to use while wearing gloves. Where did you mount the M-unit and other electrics like the rectifier, battery, etc.? Did you use stock locations, or move them someplace else? Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 05, 2015, 09:02:24 PM I think (opinion) they would work on a chopper, but not on this bike.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=66682.msg1230590#msg1230590 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=66682.msg1230590#msg1230590) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 12, 2015, 06:55:24 PM (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7478/16266534301_ab143a8cc1_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Wires Post by: Willthedub on January 12, 2015, 07:07:06 PM Tidy work [clap]
What connectors are these? Title: Re: Wires Post by: Speeddog on January 12, 2015, 07:30:31 PM I believe they are Deutsch.
Only the best for our Kopf. ;D Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 12, 2015, 07:52:36 PM JST
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 14, 2015, 05:42:59 PM (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8603/16080980700_c414659ed7_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 14, 2015, 09:38:36 PM A friend of mine is doing the work. We looked at it, but vetoed it. Is he at a particular shop, or independent? Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 15, 2015, 12:47:41 PM Is he at a particular shop, or independent? Independent Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 16, 2015, 06:50:43 AM Yee hah
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7535/16290494172_5cdc176184_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 17, 2015, 02:41:39 PM Empty bin
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7526/15683937803_2216d2b3b0_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 17, 2015, 02:44:02 PM (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7523/16116432840_d674e3fd74_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7498/16302941462_b42d9e078c_c.jpg) (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8610/16302936612_58e65bb261_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 18, 2015, 08:46:32 PM Any advice for someone who's going to do a full rewire? Things you really liked? Stuff that didn't work out?
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 18, 2015, 08:57:23 PM Any advice for someone who's going to do a full rewire? Things you really liked? Stuff that didn't work out? I would build one from scratch using all Mil-spec wiring and small JST connectors. Take your time as this shit is tedious work at best. Sit back and study what you'd like it to become before jumping in the deep end. ;) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 19, 2015, 04:30:22 PM More wires for the bin
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7574/16321000152_04bba09d42_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 19, 2015, 05:01:11 PM I would build one from scratch using all Mil-spec wiring and small JST connectors. Take your time as this shit is tedious work at best. Sit back and study what you'd like it to become before jumping in the deep end. ;) Cool - thanks! [thumbsup] JST as in the brand? Why do you prefer JST specifically? I'm not familiar with connector quality, construction etc - are they high-end? Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 19, 2015, 05:55:34 PM Cool - thanks! [thumbsup] JST as in the brand? Why do you prefer JST specifically? I'm not familiar with connector quality, construction etc - are they high-end? It's your call, there are several you could use. Title: Re: Wires Post by: oldndumb on January 19, 2015, 07:30:02 PM Ditto the JST recommendation.
Several crimpers available on the market for them. I've found the PA-09 capable of very reliable crimps for that size, and to be probably the most reasonably priced quality crimper for them on the market. Several ebay vendors carry them. Beware of inferior crimpers! (http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/oldndumb/8af4abea-2bdd-426e-8b3b-881fda52c35a.jpg) (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/oldndumb/media/8af4abea-2bdd-426e-8b3b-881fda52c35a.jpg.html) Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatiz on January 24, 2015, 01:47:06 PM I would build one from scratch using all Mil-spec wiring and small JST connectors. Take your time as this shit is tedious work at best. Sit back and study what you'd like it to become before jumping in the deep end. ;) "mil spec" is pretty broad, and can get pricey without needing to. i use a mil spec for the wires on the pickups on my pantahs, but that is because it is submerged in oil -- teflon, heat resistant, oil resistant, etc etc. For external wires, look to the SAE wire standards TXL, SXL and GXL. They are automotive quality heat and solvent proof (not for submersion though).. and much cheaper than the "mil spec" label. You can't get them at Auto Zone, but you can find them online and in colors and with stripes if you want. Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatiz on January 25, 2015, 12:51:57 PM I don't even know what that means. :P It means you left out so much of my post that your quote has no context! ;-) Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducpainter on January 25, 2015, 02:42:04 PM It means you left out so much of my post that your quote has no context! ;-) He's going to law school at night. ;)Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 25, 2015, 04:08:40 PM "mil spec" is pretty broad, and can get pricey without needing to... and much cheaper than the "mil spec" label. I don't know what that means 'tight wad'. Does that explain it better. :-* Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 25, 2015, 04:19:57 PM (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7412/16180501730_7b3ec17306_c.jpg)
The two little black cylinders below the ignition switch mounts are diodes for the Motogadget turn signal light. The yellow wires poking out at an angle below that are the headlight , wired directly to the harness. (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/16180500160_563d09e9c1_c.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7363/15748313323_d57f301b0f_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatiz on January 26, 2015, 06:31:14 AM I don't know what that means 'tight wad'. Does that explain it better. :-* it means you missed the point. "mil spec" is mostly useless because it encompasses a bunch of different wiring standards. Some may be appropriate for an exposed application, MOST are not. and vendors are happy to tout the 'mil spec' label because people will buy it without realizing they will be rewiring things in a year because it has melted or disintegrated. TXL/SXL/GXL/SGX xlpe wire is designed for exposed use next to an engine -- inside car engine compartments. The type designation refers to the standard and thickness of the insulator. All of them are designed for high heat, acid, fuel and oil exposure. TXL is the thinnest and SGX is the thickest (for batteries primaries). Most OEMs use TXL. SXL is thicker and is what I've used for loom projects on bikes -- I've rewired half a dozen Pantahs with it and used TE connectors for everything. There are at least 2000 different "mil spec" wiring specifications and some of them are not appropriate for high-heat application or exposure to fuel or oil. Some are for electronic applications, that was my point. Buying "mil spec" wire may be a waste because it isn't the right "mil spec" for an exposed near-engine application. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 07:15:40 AM What it means is this is 'my' build not yours. Please feel free to do as you choose when building 'your' bikes. :-*
Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatiz on January 26, 2015, 07:39:12 AM What it means is this is 'my' build not yours. Please feel free to do as you choose when building 'your' bikes. :-* oh, no problem. i am sure you're doing just fine. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 03:10:02 PM Turn signals connector.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7400/16375394212_7656a8722a_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 03:26:21 PM Right hand SF switchgear connector relocated and wired to harness.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7339/16189024480_e6cd4684d6_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 26, 2015, 03:46:00 PM When done, how will the loom be attached along the frame? With those black rubber button loop things in the pics? Or are those just to hold the wiring while it's being worked on?
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 03:52:20 PM When done, how will the loom be attached along the frame? With those black rubber button loop things in the pics? Or are those just to hold the wiring while it's being worked on? Those are used like a second set of hands while working. It'll be 'tight' I promise. Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducpainter on January 26, 2015, 03:57:08 PM Those are used like a second set of hands while working. It'll be 'tight' I promise. never a doubt in my mind knowing Lorin's work. [thumbsup]Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 05:57:32 PM LH SF switch connector original location.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/16191306837_d8a8f5c863_c.jpg) Cut and pins removed from connector (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/16189180008_87def45b74_c.jpg) Trimmed to new connector location, needs to be exact. (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/16375082311_3c6da844b0_c.jpg) Seal and new pins. (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/16376806955_b7daeaf5cc_c.jpg) New pins into the connector. (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8588/16190921337_edd7490330_c.jpg) Couple minutes later, bingo. ;) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/15756811243_a6004e12ee_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 26, 2015, 08:00:53 PM Products purchased here.
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=WIRE2 (https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=WIRE2) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 27, 2015, 04:08:06 PM Fuel injector, temp sensor, horn wiring. Before
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/16383596342_c206bd49a2_c.jpg) After (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7435/16358527856_cff78deaa0_c.jpg) Routed (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/16382585661_eca891d6dd_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 27, 2015, 06:30:39 PM Once routed, what's keeping that run there? I see it's passing under the throttle cable (I think) - is there some sort of clip?
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 27, 2015, 07:29:40 PM Once routed, what's keeping that run there? I see it's passing under the throttle cable (I think) - is there some sort of clip? "I don't have anything on it now, it is actually is pretty stable the way I made it. Once the main harness is done and attached I'll see how it feels, I will prob put a really small zip tie near the corner it turns. It won't be visible on the outside of the frame." Right side ready to get wrapped, once we decide on what will be used. (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/15761999134_166f9c6af7_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Grampa on January 27, 2015, 08:49:12 PM http://www.cableorganizer.com/braided-sleeving/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/braided-sleeving/)
Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducpainter on January 28, 2015, 05:22:02 AM http://www.cableorganizer.com/braided-sleeving/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/braided-sleeving/) Since the harness is already built they'll probably need to use something like this...http://www.cableorganizer.com/spiral-cable-wraps/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/spiral-cable-wraps/) Title: Re: Wires Post by: He Man on January 28, 2015, 10:49:16 AM those braided sleeves are pretty sweet, if you are willing to pull the harness it isnt too bad of an install since they expand more than double their intended size.
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 28, 2015, 04:09:57 PM (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/16205481539_4bbaea4730_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7397/15769248834_c032e70de2_c.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/16205785727_59be08cfe8_c.jpg) Brake sensor wires go into the SF switch, then travel inside the SF sleeve to the main harness. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 01:53:34 PM (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7433/16396400811_508a5e3b17_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7373/16211910329_0bfd2c43a6_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: suzyj on January 29, 2015, 02:47:12 PM those braided sleeves are pretty sweet, if you are willing to pull the harness it isnt too bad of an install since they expand more than double their intended size. Yah - braided sleeving works reasonably well. (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZN9i96Xs1NI/UZhodOa6SPI/AAAAAAAACo0/DKo709lZd4M/w1676-h1113-no/DSC_3553.JPG) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 02:59:32 PM Nice [thumbsup] Won't work on the entire harness though.
Title: Re: Wires Post by: suzyj on January 29, 2015, 03:37:10 PM Nice [thumbsup] Won't work on the entire harness though. How so? I rebuilt my harness, and used braid on the whole lot. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 04:35:06 PM How so? I rebuilt my harness, and used braid on the whole lot. Unless you can wrap it, the harness is already on the bike. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 04:42:19 PM I'm thinking of something with a little flair.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/15776551494_d300b29810.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: Grampa on January 29, 2015, 04:48:40 PM split side
http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 04:54:56 PM split side http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/) That looks like a candidate. Title: Re: Wires Post by: Wzed on January 29, 2015, 06:20:37 PM split side http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/ (http://www.cableorganizer.com/pet-wrap/) I've used that for A/V applications, and it works really well. Title: Re: Wires Post by: Speeddog on January 29, 2015, 06:39:55 PM This is the stuff I use in that kind of situation:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#braided-sleeving/=vondvr (http://www.mcmaster.com/#braided-sleeving/=vondvr) (http://images1.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/1459t13p1l.png?ver=3595534) It's a bit ornery to apply, but once it's on, and small zip-ties applied every 4" or so, and on each side of branches in the harness, it's good. Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on January 29, 2015, 07:19:14 PM Thanks, I'll give it a look.
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on April 03, 2015, 08:42:16 PM Another piece of useless OEM junk. Bye bye.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8732/16840421529_a862aaf0cd.jpg) (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8687/16839106160_298a2f1d95.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on April 04, 2015, 02:45:13 PM Coming back together.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8734/16848663269_3380dcaf0a_c.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7724/17034884665_d73f0de0cb_c.jpg) (https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8688/17034885765_4cc92b8a9b_c.jpg) Title: Re: Wires Post by: koko64 on April 04, 2015, 07:57:21 PM Very tidy. Unlike my bike's spaghetti. ;D
Title: Re: Wires Post by: MotoPsycho on April 09, 2015, 04:15:51 PM Very tidy. Unlike my bike's spaghetti. ;D AmenTitle: Re: Wires Post by: JohnEE on April 10, 2015, 03:38:33 AM Nice Work. What is that poking out of the battery tray on the left? The air pressure sensor?
Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on April 10, 2015, 06:15:30 AM Nice Work. What is that poking out of the battery tray on the left? The air pressure sensor? Yep Title: Re: Wires Post by: ducatigirl100 on May 31, 2015, 04:58:33 AM Nice tread [popcorn]
did you use the m-unit only to control the lights ? I dont see any wire for the ignition or the "start" on the m-unit ? Title: Re: Wires Post by: kopfjäger on May 31, 2015, 08:46:02 AM Nice tread [popcorn] did you use the m-unit only to control the lights ? I dont see any wire for the ignition or the "start" on the m-unit ? It's running the switch gear and the M-lock. |