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Title: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: stopintime on May 29, 2015, 01:12:25 AM
FP1

Pos. Num. Rider Nation Team Bike Km/h Time Gap 1st/Prev.

1 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 345.6 1'47.893 
2 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 339.5 1'47.926 0.033 / 0.033
3 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Ducati Team Ducati 346.1 1'47.940 0.047 / 0.014
4 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 342.8 1'48.028 0.135 / 0.088
5 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 344.3 1'48.304 0.411 / 0.276
6 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 337.9 1'48.325 0.432 / 0.021
7 45 Scott REDDING GBR EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 340.1 1'48.340 0.447 / 0.015
8 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 343.2 1'48.349 0.456 / 0.009
9 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 343.5 1'48.390 0.497 / 0.041
10 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR CWM LCR Honda Honda 342.7 1'48.459 0.566 / 0.069
11 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 341.5 1'48.541 0.648 / 0.082
12 51 Michele PIRRO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 344.1 1'48.614 0.721 / 0.073
13 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 344.8 1'48.616 0.723 / 0.002
14 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Racing Ducati 347.8 1'48.675 0.782 / 0.059
15 25 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 337.9 1'49.100 1.207 / 0.425
16 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 333.8 1'49.261 1.368 / 0.161
17 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 330.5 1'49.478 1.585 / 0.217
18 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE AB Motoracing Honda 337.0 1'49.569 1.676 / 0.091
19 76 Loris BAZ FRA Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 332.1 1'49.661 1.768 / 0.092
20 50 Eugene LAVERTY IRL Aspar MotoGP Team Honda 335.4 1'49.815 1.922 / 0.154
21 43 Jack MILLER AUS CWM LCR Honda Honda 338.1 1'49.855 1.962 / 0.040
22 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 332.5 1'49.922 2.029 / 0.067
23 6 Stefan BRADL GER Athinà Forward Racing Yamaha Forward 336.5 1'49.976 2.083 / 0.054
24 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Avintia Racing Ducati 341.2 1'50.477 2.584 / 0.501
25 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM E-Motion IodaRacing Team ART 324.9 1'51.161 3.268 / 0.684
26 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 333.5 1'52.516 4.623 / 1.355


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 29, 2015, 01:37:35 AM
Looking forward to seeing the Ducatis top speed down the straight.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: TitanMonsterS4R on May 29, 2015, 05:57:31 AM
FP2 -

Pos. No. Rider Bike Time Diff. / Prev.
1 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati 1'47.479   
2 93 Marc MARQUEZ Honda 1'47.643 0.164 / 0.164
3 99 Jorge LORENZO Yamaha 1'47.852 0.373 / 0.209
4 29 Andrea IANNONE Ducati 1'47.994 0.515 / 0.142
5 38 Bradley SMITH Yamaha 1'48.038 0.559 / 0.044
6 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW Honda 1'48.124 0.645 / 0.086
7 41 Aleix ESPARGARO Suzuki 1'48.137 0.658 / 0.013
8 45 Scott REDDING Honda 1'48.164 0.685 / 0.027
9 46 Valentino ROSSI Yamaha 1'48.211 0.732 / 0.047
10 44 Pol ESPARGARO Yamaha 1'48.283 0.804 / 0.072
11 51 Michele PIRRO Ducati 1'48.317 0.838 / 0.034
12 9 Danilo PETRUCCI Ducati 1'48.419 0.940 / 0.102
13 26 Dani PEDROSA Honda 1'48.435 0.956 / 0.016
14 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ Ducati 1'48.483 1.004 / 0.048
15 25 Maverick VIÑALES Suzuki 1'48.493 1.014 / 0.010
16 6 Stefan BRADL Yamaha Forward 1'48.694 1.215 / 0.201
17 17 Karel ABRAHAM Honda 1'48.851 1.372 / 0.157
18 8 Hector BARBERA Ducati 1'48.926 1.447 / 0.075
19 43 Jack MILLER Honda 1'49.030 1.551 / 0.104
20 63 Mike DI MEGLIO Ducati 1'49.729 2.250 / 0.699
21 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA Aprilia 1'49.741 2.262 / 0.012
22 76 Loris BAZ Yamaha Forward 1'49.825 2.346 / 0.084
23 50 Eugene LAVERTY Honda 1'49.864 2.385 / 0.039
24 69 Nicky HAYDEN Honda 1'49.866 2.387 / 0.002
25 15 Alex DE ANGELIS ART 1'50.477 2.998 / 0.611
26 33 Marco MELANDRI Aprilia 1'51.800 4.321 / 1.323


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: 1.21GW on May 29, 2015, 07:11:53 AM
Looking forward to seeing the Ducatis top speed down the straight.

Question: what kind of track is Mugello traditionally?  Curvy or power?  Yamaha or Honda?


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on May 29, 2015, 07:17:46 AM
Question: what kind of track is Mugello traditionally?  Curvy or power?  Yamaha or Honda?
High speed and flowing.



Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Triple J on May 29, 2015, 07:58:17 AM
Predictions?

MM (he's sick of losing)
Dovi (Ducati track, but he isn't MM)
Rossi (needs more powah)



Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The Architect on May 29, 2015, 08:42:29 AM
Predictions?

MM (he's sick of losing)
Dovi (Ducati track, but he isn't MM)
Rossi (needs more powah)



Unfortunately I have to agree.

I want to see Dovi on the top step but Marc is going to go ape shit.  Rossi will qualify 8th and have to work his way up.

Ideally I'd like to see Iannone and Marc fight it out on the last lap and Iannone get the top step.   


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: triangleforge on May 29, 2015, 10:45:17 AM
Looking forward to seeing the Ducatis top speed down the straight.

Barbera just set an all-time MotoGP speed record on the Avinta Ducati of 350.1 kph (217.8 mph).

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/219336/1/2178mph-means-new-motogp-record-by-barbera.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/219336/1/2178mph-means-new-motogp-record-by-barbera.html)


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 29, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
 [evil]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: thought on May 29, 2015, 10:50:19 AM
I've given up on predicting where Rossi will be based on qualy/fp's.  Just always seems to find something on Sunday morning practice to beat previous expectations.

But I def see MM, Dovi, and Lorenzo mixing it up in front... I think the top steps will be held by the guys that can pass Dovi first.

Also, if Rossi wins... the fans are going to tear that track apart haha


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 29, 2015, 10:54:54 AM
Top five fastest top speeds are Ducatis.

Should be another good race.
We need Stoner.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: m9hundo on May 29, 2015, 01:32:38 PM
1. JLo will run away it as much as I'd like to see Rossi up there
2. Rossi
3. Dovi



Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Needle99 on May 29, 2015, 07:15:02 PM
The Jlo race pace consistency is a worry for the other guys...
I hope he does not get to the front early.....

My predictions
Ducati will fill 2 of the 3 x front row for the race start...

If MM is upright the whole race I agree he will win, his desire not lose is kicking in.
I am not sure he will stay upright though.....

Ducati will be on the podium.....

1. MM (JLO if MM crashes out)
2. JLO
3. Dovi
4. Rossi


Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on May 29, 2015, 08:06:49 PM
If the duc keeps this up they might entice JLo or Stoner to come to them next season.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DesmoDiva on May 30, 2015, 03:59:01 AM
If the duc keeps this up they might entice JLo or Stoner to come to them next season.

This ^^ I highly doubt.

I think we'll see 3 Ducs in the first 2 rows.

I so don't want to see JLo run away at the front.  However, I predict

JLo
Rossi
MM

with no ducs making the podium. 


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on May 30, 2015, 04:27:31 AM
Well...

Marquez starting from the head of row 5.



Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 30, 2015, 04:41:31 AM
Wow.
Any other news on first three rows?


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on May 30, 2015, 04:58:47 AM
Wow.
Any other news on first three rows?
There is now...

Iannone/Lorenzo/Dovi
Crutchlow/A Espargaro/Pirro
Pedrosa/Rossi/Vinales



Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 30, 2015, 05:01:05 AM
Suzuki on second row? Great.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Triple J on May 30, 2015, 07:22:11 AM
MM is really fighting the Honda, so I have a revised prediction:

JLo
Dovi
Rossi

I wouldn't be surprised to see MM crash out, or at the very least run off the track


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: m9hundo on May 30, 2015, 07:33:32 AM
MM is really fighting the Honda, so I have a revised prediction:

JLo
Dovi
Rossi

 [laugh] No tag backs


Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on May 30, 2015, 07:50:28 AM
Ian, Rossi, Dovi  Jlo gets taken out by MM


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: duccarlos on May 30, 2015, 08:56:46 AM
I see Jorghey checking out. Rossi as always makes up for his shitty qualy, but does not have enough to catch Jlo. Dovi comes in third after Iannone's shoulder pain kicks in. Aleix comes in 5th after Iannone does enough to stay in 4th.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Needle99 on May 30, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
Could be another fun fight for 4th between crazy joe and MM  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: OT on May 30, 2015, 07:24:30 PM
Only a matter of time till MM takes out one (or more) of the aliens.... [evil]

Oh, wait, there are only 2.5 of them left...  ;D

A factory Ducati wins the race, loses all its special-condition exemptions, doesn't podium again till 2016  [coffee]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The Architect on May 31, 2015, 04:03:58 AM
  Rossi will qualify 8th and have to work his way up.


  [Dolph]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The Don on May 31, 2015, 04:59:44 AM
Lorenzo is on it at the moment, great race by iannone


Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on May 31, 2015, 05:51:06 AM
I was close


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: m9hundo on May 31, 2015, 07:11:22 AM
I think MM has taken the words of Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first you're last"


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Triple J on May 31, 2015, 07:30:36 AM
JLo is on fire.  [bow_down]

Rossi is doing well, but needs to step it up a bit or JLo is going to walk away. Great save by him.

Great ride by Ducati. They need to lose their fuel advantage though IMO. The bike now clearly doesn't need any advantages.

Good ride by MM until it wasn't. Interesting that the 2 guys on the grid that chose the hard front tire both crashed out with front end crashes in the closing laps (MM & Cal).


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on May 31, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
JLo is on fire.  [bow_down]

Rossi is doing well, but needs to step it up a bit or JLo is going to walk away. Great save by him.

Great ride by Ducati. They need to lose their fuel advantage though IMO. The bike now clearly doesn't need any advantages.

Good ride by MM until it wasn't. Interesting that the 2 guys on the grid that chose the hard front tire both crashed out with front end crashes in the closing laps (MM & Cal).
I believe the fuel has been gone for several races.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: lazylightnin717 on May 31, 2015, 10:27:35 AM
I believe the fuel has been gone for several races.

I second that belief


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: koko64 on May 31, 2015, 12:23:23 PM
Another gutsy effort from Crazy Joe. Humble guy. Said the bike was great but that no one was catching JL.


Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on May 31, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Pretty certain they lost the fel advantage in race 1 2 podiums


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: kopfjäger on May 31, 2015, 02:12:38 PM
I need to watch that save by Rossi on turn 12 about 50 more times.  [clap] [bow_down]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: kopfjäger on May 31, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
Also, there were four Ducatis in the top 10.  [clap]


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Triple J on May 31, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
I'm pretty sure they still have a 2L advantage. They lost 2L earlier, so used to have a 4L advantage. Factories have 20L, Open 22L...I think they all go to 22L next season.

edit...from a Motomatters article:

Ducati's success at Qatar meant that they were forced to surrender two liters of fuel, running at Austin for the first time with 22 liters. Though everyone in Ducati has been insisting that having 22 liters was not a problem, and that they had not been using more than that for some time, both Andrea Iannone and Andrea Dovizioso ran out of fuel on the cool down lap, Iannone parking the bike just after Turn 1. The initial Ducati response was that it was a fuel pump issue, which brought the cynical response that the pump wasn't working because it had no fuel left to pump.

Of course, running out of fuel as you cross the line can be seen as the ultimate in race planning, after all, any fuel that you don't use is merely unnecessary ballast. But Turn 1 is cutting it a little too fine perhaps, and the result of Ducati having focused on other areas. They were not forced to focus on fuel management like Honda and Yamaha, who have been racing with 20 liters of fuel since 2014. But the sudden rise in air temperatures before the race, and the fuel-hungry nature of the Austin track, meant that Ducati were possibly caught a little short. There was some furious swapping of fuel tanks on the GP15s going on after the start of the MotoGP race was delayed, the only way to legally ensure a full tank at the start and after the sighting lap.


The extra 2L of fuel explains why the Duc is a bit faster. It's not all of it, but it can't be overlooked.

Comprehensive explanation:

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/03/23/the_2015_motogp_rules_primer_engines_fue.html


Title: Re:
Post by: Raux on May 31, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Wonder if they re running the full 22, rumor was they werent running the 24 when they could


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Triple J on May 31, 2015, 08:36:54 PM
I guarantee they are running 22L. Why not? Next year everyone gets that much.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: OT on June 01, 2015, 06:28:53 AM
Anyone knowledable able to comment on how 10% more fuel affects the bike's handling?  That is, will a significant redesign be needed to handle, or are the tanks already capable of, say 25L?


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on June 01, 2015, 07:00:04 AM
This is how it's done kids...he learned it form Colin. ;D

http://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2015/05/31/free-video-rossi-s-epic-save-at-the-italiangp/176882 (http://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2015/05/31/free-video-rossi-s-epic-save-at-the-italiangp/176882)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37sl4YI-aYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37sl4YI-aYE)


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: thought on June 01, 2015, 08:50:25 AM
Fun race for second... Ianonne is a trooper, I was expecting him to fade out as the laps progressed but he kept the pace up.

Not looking too good for Rossi now with a resurgent JLo.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: m9hundo on June 01, 2015, 08:56:18 AM
Rossi needs to start qualifying better so he can keep JLo in range. JLo keeps a hell of a pace and if Rossi is right there with him he can try and match it.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ZLTFUL on June 01, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
We all know that when JLo is on, the boy is on. But we also know equally that when he is off, he is really off. All it takes is getting his cage rattled and he will be scrapping with Marc for kitty litter duty.

Although, I do enjoy when they are all healthy and all scrapping at the pointy end.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: m9hundo on June 01, 2015, 01:37:50 PM
What was it a 4/5 way scrap for second? My eyes were glued with Rossi coming from behind.


Title: Re: MotoGP Mugello ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ducpainter on June 01, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
What was it a 4/5 way scrap for second? My eyes were glued with Rossi coming from behind.
4 way...

Iannone Marquez Dovi and Pedrosa with Rossi gaining


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