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Title: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: sasha696 on August 11, 2015, 08:36:29 AM
I see there has been talk about it, no definite answer.
Ducati Omaha tell me they installed it on various other ABS models, but never on a 696.
Also, 14t is a "Tremendous help for slow speed riding", which I could totally use as a newbie.

One of the members here contacted Ducati North America, they responded NO. Another one says YES, it's ok.

Has anyone installed a 14t Front Sprocket on a ABS 696?
Also, is installing a G2 throttle tamer without the 14t Sprocket, worth doing it?

Thank You
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Cloner on August 11, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
"A tremendous help for slow speed riding" is entirely subjective.  For a newbie I'd actually recommend against it because it will magnify abrupt throttle inputs making the bike more "snatchy".

As to 14T sprockets, I always recommend against them in anything but racing applications, and then only if shorter gearing than allowed by the largest possible driven sprocket used with a 15T drive sprocket is needed.  Their smaller pitch line diameter means the chain spends more time in contact with the swingarm at a more obtuse angle accelerating wear.  On a race bike that's apart and back together often a worn chain slider will likely be caught early....on a streetbike that's rarely examined that way it's not.  Go with a larger driven sprocket if you want to shorten gearing.  It's a better solution.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: sasha696 on August 11, 2015, 10:38:37 AM
that "tremendous help" quote was from a mechanic @ Ducati Omaha, I wouldn't know.

I do have problems riding slow in 1st, 2nd. Have to hold the clutch lever constantly.
Again, newbie talking.

How about installing 14t and the G2 throttle tamer?
Still, not even sure if I can go 14t. Not even mechanics at Ducati Omaha can tell me..

Thank You

Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Cloner on August 11, 2015, 10:55:18 AM
Not a question of "can you?".  Of course you CAN. The sprocket is absolutely available and it will absolutely fit.  ABS has no bearing on the issue.

If that's your only question then go get 'em!

I thought the question was "should you?".
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: sasha696 on August 11, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
question was both, can and should..
Thank You
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Dochunt on August 11, 2015, 05:41:41 PM
On my 796 the 14T was a big help in smoothing things out at low speed and 1st and 2nd gear.
Also allowed me to keep the bike at higher rev without getting too fast in 3rd.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: EEL on August 11, 2015, 05:46:56 PM
Depends where you ride

Streets and low speed - Yes

Hills and high speed - Not a resounding no but I wouldnt do it.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Dochunt on August 11, 2015, 05:55:43 PM
It is best for slow speed in traffic.
May not be best blasting on open roads.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Mhanis on August 12, 2015, 03:55:51 AM
The whole thing is really subjective. I changed to a 14t and I am happy with it. Was it "life altering" like some will imply? No. Does it "COMPLETELY change the bike"? No. For my proposes it is "better".

Will the chain wear faster? Theoretically; yes. Practically, or measurably? I have seen no evidence of that.

Is a lager rear sprocket a "better" solution? Probably. But the 14t front is the cheapest/easiest.

I have nearly 50,000 miles on my bike (prob 45,00 with the 14t installed) and I am just now nearing the end of life on my second chain.

Mark

Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Cloner on August 12, 2015, 09:53:17 AM
Quote from: Mhanis on August 12, 2015, 03:55:51 AM
The whole thing is really subjective. I changed to a 14t and I am happy with it. Was it "life altering" like some will imply? No. Does it "COMPLETELY change the bike"? No. For my proposes it is "better".

Will the chain wear faster? Theoretically; yes. Practically, or measurably? I have seen no evidence of that.

Is a lager rear sprocket a "better" solution? Probably. But the 14t front is the cheapest/easiest.

I have nearly 50,000 miles on my bike (prob 45,00 with the 14t installed) and I am just now nearing the end of life on my second chain.

Mark



Well said, Mark.  Perfect.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: Mhanis on August 12, 2015, 01:40:50 PM
Quote from: Cloner on August 12, 2015, 09:53:17 AM
Well said, Mark.  Perfect.

.............Said no one before, ever!

[laugh]

Mark

Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on August 12, 2015, 06:53:35 PM
my 0.02 experience, city riding, good to very good; hills around the city, very good to excellent; rides more than 25 miles, not good, between engine turning higher and wind, more fuel consumption  . .  Termis do sound great
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: TWDucfan on August 14, 2015, 02:47:23 AM
Quote from: sasha696 on August 11, 2015, 08:36:29 AM

14t is a "Tremendous help for slow speed riding",  Has anyone installed a 14t Front Sprocket on a ABS 696? 


14T front sprocket will help make your 696 less jerky and won't need to slip the clutch as much at slower speed/in town riding.  [Dolph] [Dolph]

JMHO    [coffee]
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: S21FOLGORE on August 14, 2015, 09:07:29 AM
QuoteHow about installing 14t and the G2 throttle tamer?

Don't.
Don't try to make up the lack of experience / riding skill by mod / installing aftermarket parts.

14 t front sprocket, yes, maybe. But not right now. (How long have you been riding Motorcycle ? And how long have you had this particular Monster ?)

Throttle tamer, absolutely not.  It will work AGAINST your throttle control learning.

I'd say, keep riding the way the bike is now until the winter comes, then decide.
(But, don't just ride mindlessly. You have to keep thinking, trying to feel,  trying to understand what's going on while riding.
Eg, do you stall often at launching the bike from the stop ?
Do you feel “in between gear” when going through the series of corners on your favorite back road ?
Can you do u-turn (full lock turn) ?
Do you feel engine rpm too high when cruising ?
Are you constantly trying to shift up when you are already in 6th on the freeway ?

Think “why” it's happening the way it is happening.
Then, only then, you can decide it the mod is right for you, or not.
Title: Re: Front Sprocket 14t 2012 696 ABS yes or no?
Post by: fragile_this_side_up on August 14, 2015, 10:35:58 AM
I ride too much highway to do this, but even when i'm not i have no trouble in stop and go traffic for miles on end or on city streets. I've only been riding for 3 years but have racked up about 45k miles on 3 different bikes. 7k of which have been on my Monster. Learn clutch modulation. It's a VERY good skill to "master". No, I haven't "mastered" it yet, but i'm pretty ok at it.