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Spectacular track highsider, low speed, bike lands on it's nose and slides ~100 feet on it's right side.

Landing from a highsider and some bike contact can be dangerous and the places I hurt made the medics send me to a full trauma team check...... no internal damages, no broken bones - just well and truly beaten up. Pain killers and lots of rest will probably send me through all right.

Thanks for good gear to Dainese, SIDI, Schuberth, Coretech  [thumbsup] Lots of scuffs, but only a couple of small holes or broken seems.

I didn't see the bike post crash and was worried it might be a total mess - beyond repair. Got a good look at it today and it seems like it's going to be repaired.

One problem is the parts that are discontinued - will have to see how that will be handled. Carbon fairing stays --> my old PoorDucRider. CycleCat DRS53 --> GillesTooling/Rizoma. Swatt clip ons --> WoodCraft. Probably another few items...

So, being thankful it didn't hurt me more and seeing the bike as repairable - glass half full  [Dolph]  [beer]


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See how the previously painted cover now has the Ducati logo nicely 'sanded' down
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Correct sticker for the occasion  [cheeky]
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Good to hear you're basically OK!

Let's talk more about forks before you buy clipons.

Glad you're ok. Sorry about the bike, but like you said, it coulda been worse.

I hear you about the discontinued items. I look on mine and see what's not readily available anymore and worry what would I do if I needed to replace them.

Glad du er OK Lars.

Høye sider er for barn ... og du ikke er en noe mer. ;)

You build a bike and build it right, and you crash a bike, you crash it right!!! glad your okay man!

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Lars.....Happy that you're alright buddy. If you need new lines, Cycle-Cat rearsets or a couple of other items shoot me a PM. Got parts I'd like to offload before I head to Australia and you seem like the perfect person given all that you did to help me with mine.

WOW!  Important part is you are pretty much OK.  To a speedy, complete recovery [shot]

Glad to hear your are ok. Opportunity to make it even better.

I'm sad for my bike, but the reason I put this in Acc & Mods is that there will be things happening making this the right place for it. It's also why I named the Photobucket album 'opportunities'.




Thanks  [thumbsup] besides the rash, the clip ons only sheared a bolt, but PM about forks on it's way. Forks  [drool]



Thanks  [thumbsup]  It's so many things, hard-to-find stickers, Nate's custom sized race numbers a.s.o. up to the yet unanswered question if Ducati really have the slip ons as advertised.



Thanks  [thumbsup]   ;D Yes Nate, highsiders are for kids and I play like one  8)



Thanks  [thumbsup]  Don't leave your keyboard - PM coming!  



It really is, isn't it  :)



Thanks  [thumbsup]  Better. Better all the way  8)




It's going to take a while to get this rolling again, but I will keep you updated  [coffee]

Glad you're ok. You got a fair bit of air ay?

Nobody bothered to measure  [cheeky] , but I went over the handle bars and some acrobatics were performed while airborn, so I'd say yes. I'm sure a 20 year old would have dusted himself off and carried on, but hey, I am what I am  [laugh]

I dont bounce very well anymore either. ;D

Low sides only for this...

kid. ;D

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Green stick fractures are a distant memory. :P

This is how you're supposed to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5N-gs8Y61g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5N-gs8Y61g)

Bugger  :(

Sorry to hear Lars.

Glad you are more or less fine however  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Swatts?  I can probably help you there.  PM me  :)

I've got a set of '05 620 Gauges for sale with about 14K miles on them in good working condition. Those should work. PM me if you want more info or pics. I'd be willing to ship them directly to S.O.S. diagnostics  http://www.sosdiagnostics.com/Ducati.html (http://www.sosdiagnostics.com/Ducati.html) if you want to send them your ecu to get it mated to the new gauges. They could also set the milage to match what you have on your bike. They 're great to work with and have a fast turn around.

Bayliss is an amatuer compared to Alvaro Bautista. He loves to crash in spectacular fashion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRskGSdJVUY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRskGSdJVUY)

Congrats on not getting the body messed up too badly!
 About a month ago a fellow decided to turn left on a country road just as a friend and I set up to pass, I don't remember what happened next butt was told that my bike was airborn and I cushioned it's fall! The bike is fine now, butt my shoulder continues to slowly heal.....
 Uncontrolled stoppies are a bad idea, it seems....

Thanks  [thumbsup] we care well for our bikes, don't we  :)

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Yep, I hear you guys.

How are you and the bike going?

The bike is waiting for the insurance settlement, then parts and finally our time and my fitness to work on it....

About me specifically: three bones dislocated in left foot and lots of associated smashed soft tissue, right knee dislocated, hip/pelvis parts not on the same team, right side glut max smashed up, almost all right side torso/core and shoulder muscles torn or in defensive cramps, internal organs shaken, couple of bruised ribs, dislocated collar bone, stiff neck - nothing major, just painful.

Once you master the Bayliss, the next trick is to learn this move:  ;D

He Must Be The Luckiest Motorcycle Rider Ever! or Was it Spiderman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ST5DQCAww#)



Glad you're ok!  [thumbsup]

...and if youd have friends that like to crash...

Incredible Double Highside moto gp Doohan Chili 500 Grand prix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6SbXBb-_Mo#)

slo-mo at 1:10. ;D

Bummer. Good it wasn't worse though.


Your insurance will cover a race? Or was this a track day crash?

If you're gonna high side...at least try to take someone with you for company!

Nicky Hayden highside (1080p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9A8AL_FLeo#)

Thanks  [thumbsup] Track day.

It would've been nice to have someone to chat with while in hospital... next time maybe  :P

Hey mate sorry to hear about your 'little' incident. Glad you are on the mend.

But geez ... the lengths some people will go to when they are stuck for what to do next to their bikes   [roll] [cheeky]

How long until the big chill sets in? Looks like a busy 'off-season' coming up. Good luck.

I don't think this would have ended so well for our hero - I've seen the big fella on the track. Imagine this ...
 - He is rounding up over-powered and under-ridden Superbikes on his little Monster like sheep at dog trials
 - One moves out into his racing line unable to comprehend the speed of the approaching Monster
 - A high speed stoppie is not enough to avoid shunting the Superbike further down the track while the wee Monster is left to its own devices
 - All 65kg of Norwegian muscle is propelled several metres into the air
 - A perfectly executed triple somersault with pike sees him now riding as pillion on aforementioned Superbike
 - The end result of a startled rider now having an unexpected passenger and travelling at a greater speed ... I don't think it would be a smooth finish

I'll leave it up to the engineers/physicists to calculate the impacts of that little scenario.

Thanks  [thumbsup] Like I said - opportunities  ;)

I'd normally ride another ~three months - until snow falls, so the plan is to make the bike rideable 'soon' and hope my body is 'ok' by then. Details, paint and other 'can-wait' issues during winter.






What the hell are you drinking this Friday night? I want a tall glass of that  [drink]

65kg?

Put that glass down, mate, you've had more than your fair share.

Somebody was paying attention ... I notice the big fella himself remained silent. Nothing wrong with giving a bloke a lift when his down.

Glad you are okay.

I like the sticker!!!

Damn.. sounds "major" enough, but you'll walk again at least!   [thumbsup]
sorry to see your bike banged up as well,  But it will roll again as well.

Looks like your attitude wasn't damaged.. glad to see that!   ;)   [beer]   [Dolph]

Thanks  [thumbsup] Everyone reads that sticker as Termignoni - only when I tell them to read it again, they see it's not.



Thanks  [thumbsup]  I realize there's a fine line between "nothing major" and disabling disaster, so I am thankful.  It's probably easier to have a relaxed attitude behind the keyboard than the first time I'm going back to the track to push the limits. Even though a highsider is more dramatic, it's also easier to know exactly what I did wrong and hopefully avoid it. Sometimes I hear people crash without a clue about why - they tend to later second guess their abilities and can feel insecure for a long time/forever. At the moment I don't feel scared, but I won't know how I really feel until I ride again. I'm optimistic though  :)

So.... most of my limbs are healing as expected - nice! Left ancle was more painful and healed slower than we liked, so I had it scanned and x-rayed. Three fractures and a whole lot more explained why. A couple of months should do it [thumbsup]

Bike is coming along  [Dolph] /  [coffee]  I'll do nice things to it during winter, but for now it's just about getting it back on the road for a few rides before it gets ice'y (probably December)

New instruments are on, but will probably be reprogrammed for actual mileage - zero miles on this bike seems like plastic surgery. New throttle control and wire, grips, mirror/brake bracket, reservoir, turn signal and several bolts replaced. New foot peg and eccentric peg bracket (had some CycleCat spares in a box) Engine, filters, oil screen checked.

Would be difficult to repair, so I ordered new slip ons (Termignoni classic models remake), bikini fairing from a 620 (half price compared to S2R), bought a lightly scratched un-expanded tank from my dealer.

Hopefully, next week I'll be able to swing a leg over and see how it feels  8)


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Glad you are both coming along in your recovery. Hopefully with no more injury surprises.
Ready for next Spring. [thumbsup]

Parts for the scratched/broken/bent Swatt clip ons - thanks to Ungeheuer  [thumbsup]


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Always happy to help out a mate in need  [thumbsup]

I hope they're useful for you Lars.

I missed this one, hope healing (both mechanical and bodily) is coming along nicely.

Thanks Torbjörn  [thumbsup]

Very long healing time, but that's probably normal for an old man  [cheeky]

Getting a box of parts from the US next week. Riding season is ending soon and then I start tearing it apart, repairing, painting, replacing, upgrading....

Strange ... I do all these things as well, even though I did not crash .... well, maybe apart from repairing this time ;)

More parts arriving - this time from MonsterParts and others  [thumbsup]

Not all of these are crash related, but the joy is the same  8)

Used clutch cover, old version grey rather than silver - don't know if and how it should be painted...
Instrument connector, hopefully the correct type. Plastic foot peg plugs to comply with race regulations. Viper signals. Grip glue for my Grip Puppies. Low profile WoodCraft axle sliders. (Not really visible) tank logos, Meccanica style - this time just white outline because I think my previous were a little too bold/fat. Scorpio alarm back up battery to hopefully reduce how the alarm eats moto battery during little-riding-season. Rizoma fluid reservoir. Cool give aways from Jeff, hand warmers, patch and key ring. Hella horn kit (they don't react well to direct pressure washing...) Best winter socks ever! SSR longer kick stand. Top of the line race gloves - Cortech took a beating very well, fits my hands perfect and these have all the bells and whistles.

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Good to hear that you are on the mend and that the bike is getting fixed. I love my Monster, but this is the reason I stopped taking it to the track, it's not well suited for the track and expensive to fix when you drop it.

Hope you're up and running soon.

Thanks  [thumbsup]

After all the mods my bike is quite suited for the track and I'm not sure the total would be better if I had to buy, maintain and sometimes repair another, track only, bike.

Parts still at several places for repair/upgrades/paint a.s.o.  [coffee]

Cylinders needed new coating after 80,000 km. Because of some rough running and lack of throttle response, I asked to have the heads checked too.

There was an undiagnosed whining noise after the crash (yes, I shouldn't have let that go unattended) and maybe this is why (picture). Never easy to say for sure, but the bike was on it's side, still running for ~30-60 seconds and I have vertical head external oil feed from the oil pressure outlet.... maybe that feed isn't any good with the bike on it's side  :-\


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I hate to say this my friend...

but if you toasted a cam and rocker due to a lack of oil pressure you should be looking closely at rod bearings. :-\

I don't think that was the case with the cam and rocker, but I'd still talk to your engine builder about the rod bearing issue.

What side was it laying on?

On it's right side.

I was suggesting/hoping that my external oil feed was starved without a complete loss of oil pressure, but I don't know how that would happen. I don't know how the circumstances affected the oil flow.

Well...the pickup and pump are on the right side. I don't know if there is enough oil in the cases to feed the pump in that scenario. Maybe Nick knows, or Eric. 2V rockers and cams do occaisionally fail, although nowhere near the rate of Desmoquattro rockers. I'd think that if that pressure fed circuit lost pressure then the entire system would have lost pressure. The rod bearings are far more sensitive to pressure loss than the top end in a 30-60 second time frame.

 When my BMW K1200RS lost oil pressure due to running while  on its side, it took about 5k miles before it spit a rod through the side of the motor. I suppose that is a problem with wet sump engines. Here is hoping that is not the case with yours, but it might be a good idea to check the rod bearings!

glad you're ok

Thanks  [thumbsup]



If I close my eyes, cover my ears and hum loudly.... will the worry go away?

If the rod bearings are more sensitive, it's possible that they are damaged even though nothing else is. On the other hand, if nothing else is damaged, maybe the rod bearings are ok too. If the whining noise goes away with a new cam and rocker, there's a better chance the rod bearings are ok. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.....

These kind of things are never convenient. I see busy mechanics presented with a request for new rod bearings in April/May  [bang] Not exactly cheap either. Bright side: rebuilt cylinders and heads go well with a fresh bottom end.

TBC (surely)

That's out of he vertical head?

I didn't take the picture, but yes, that's what they said.

80,000kms Lars.

And the news just keeps getting.... ever more condemning  :-\

You know I want to see you succeed here and so I really do hate to say this but......







maybe it's time to cut your losses?

I have thought about that. More than once.

If the rod bearings, and/or more, really are damaged AND I knew that before starting the cylinder/head work - it would have been an easier decision.

At the moment I have commited to the 'new' cylinders and heads, so it's not obvious that a change of direction is smarter. Larger engine with a lower tuning character sounds smarter, but such a direction won't be cheap or maintenance free either.

Just offering a moment's.... sobriety.

Whichever way you choose to attack it....  you'll make it work  [thumbsup]

Fingers crossed. [thumbsup]

Sobriety....

With the engine just hanging from the engine bolts, everything disconnected, heads and cylinders off - combined with 80,000km on these rod bearings - it's worth while to split it and inspect + replace the rod bearings and main bearings. Hopefully a waste of time and money, but about time anyway and better safe than sorry...

This clutch started slipping after just 6-7-8,000 km. My usual 30-40 has been with the APTC. Stack height 43,5 mm if I measured correctly. Maybe this standard small wet clutch isn't up to the 'slightly' heavier load... Trying heavier springs or preload with washers. What do you think?

These cases are supposedly from a 2002ss. Searched the part numbers, but couldn't find anything. I guess Ducati only sell complete cases - a pair of halves....

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Ducati only sells matched case halves, and AFAIK, they come stuffed full of bearings and bits.
If you can get the number that's stamped on the cases, left side below alternator, I can decode what they are.
Or a couple more pics from the outside, that show motor mounts and the neutral switch area.
They look good from what I can see, they've got the inserts for the main bearings.

You can shim the clutch springs, 1.5-2mm, confirm that they do not coil bind with maximum lever pull.

2273 0162A and 2263 0162A  [thumbsup]

They were new to me last winter - 7,100 km on them. Not looking to replace them. I just searched the numbers to verify model year - looking for main bearing numbers. There are two circular symbols in front of the vertical cylinder, of which one might be showing 98 (year of production?)

Not the part numbers, the engine number stamped on left side, below alternator.

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Aha - I don't have that here.

New rod bearings, Carillo rod bolts, main bearings ready to go. Even though it might be considered stupid to keep this engine alive - it was too late to turn around at this point - the things we do for love..... There won't be a next time though. Next time will probably be a stock'ish 1100.

My Bitubo shock is soon ready from overhaul and other parts are here or on their way....

ST fork with some GSX internals almost here...

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Cool.  [thumbsup]

Things that won't be done:
 - stone chip marks on frame, rearsets, exhaust and wheel. Well, maybe a drop of paint here and there...
 - rashed ehaust. I'll change the exhaust straps though.

Things done:
 - overhauled bottom end, including new Carillo rod bolts. No more whining noise - unknown why, but good.
 - new Nikasil on cylinder walls
 - new Pistal pistons at 30,000 km (the previous pair ran for 50,000 km before I burned a hole in one and Pistal never heard of anyone using them successfully for such mileage. Better safe than sorry...)
 - overhauled heads including a new cam and one of it's rocker arms
 - new stock 750 clutch pack and stiffer springs. Grabby. Might become better.
 - did the first 1,000 km oil change. Flawless.
 - painted engine side covers
 - painted swing arm
 - new clip on parts (thanks Ung)
 - new mirrors
 - new U-brackets, both large and small
 - new instruments adjusted for correct mileage (lost fuel reserve miles and the ability to delete Maintenance warning)
 - new footpeg
 - new fork - ST4 with GSXR internals. Tubes anodized and bottoms powder coated black. GREAT!
 - overhauled shock. GREAT!
 - probably forgot something....

Things waiting:
 - coated and painted tank, fairing and seat cover.
 - closer to full bodily recovery

Pictures will be posted after  8)

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