Ducati Monster Forum

So, after discussing options after the spun bearing in the S2R1000, I'm looking for a new bike.

To switch it up, tell me why I SHOULDN'T get an 821. I'm looking at the Dark, mainly because I'm not really interested in the red or white options.

Looked into a 796 because I like the SSSA, but the 18k mile service interval of the 821 is hard to pass up.

IMPO, for me is more than enough, for many, lacks power, it is a comfortable bike, got to ride one for at least 100kms and I was fine, not tired, balls intact . . . heats up the right side in traffic . . . you will not want to replace the battery, very uncomfortable job to do

you will need to test ride one . . . rding position is ackward since you cant ride on the ball of the feet since heel will hit passenger footrest . . .unless you go the  (http://cncracing.it/img_prod/resize/PE440B.jpg)CNC Racing Racing footrest way

As said, MHO

Thanks, I think the power will be more than enough coming from my S2R1000, especially with the boomtubes. Dyno numbers put the 821 about 20hp up from mine.

How about the fun number...torque?

Torque number I saw was about the same. Right at 60

Im guessing that number happens later though, so it will rev out to get the hp rather than have low down grunt.  Grunt is fun like DP said, but only one way to find out.

I will add to my previous comments, it does transition very well

Hoping to ride one this week...

You got me thinking. I should try and scab a few rides on the latest models from the dealership this summer. [thumbsup]

Can't hurt, except maybe your wallet...

Im a tyre kicker nowdays. ;D

Might be servicing it less often, but 4-valver is gonna cost you more each time.

What's the service interval with the newerish 2-valvers? It's not going to be 3 times more expensive.

796 is 7500 miles, 821 is 18000

Yeah, the cost of the service should not be a deterrent unless we're talking more than double.

Scr 12000kms

Where you taking test rides?

GP has a demo

Just looked into this, the manual calls for a "service pin" to hold the battery in place while you remove the tray. What are they referring to?

Oh, BTW. Purchased a demo 2015 M821 in red today. Had the Termi's fitted as well...

battery is located behind-under engine towards the front of swingarm . . .

Go to page 8,  http://issuu.com/desmoworks/docs/2015-m821?e=1887458/12417841 (http://issuu.com/desmoworks/docs/2015-m821?e=1887458/12417841)

All of that is in here:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5617/21202140224_af0114981e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/yiyvBN) (https://flic.kr/p/yiyvBN)

I see that, but page 217 of the manual calls for this "service pin"...

service pin = 4mm long allen wrench . . .

No worries, need to replace the battery: 8mm socket, 4mm LONG allen wrench and one short 4mm allen, 1/4" universal join, 10mm socket, I prefer one medium and one short 1/4" extensions[to loosen ground cable on LH side of engine under water pump], stubby #2 phillips screw driver and/or 10mm wrench for negative terminal . . . at least a 6-pack . . .

Will try to get you the video of how to  . . .

I figured it was something like that.

Yeah, seems to be quite the job. I appreciate that they put it low, but they really couldn't have made it more complicated to change!

In case you haven't guessed, I plan to swap out my Shorai from the S2R1000.

I thought so . . . Need help? Have food?  ;D

You gonna come out to Cali and help me?

And I always need food!

No, food for me.... ;D

So, a few things I noticed while on the way to work this morning.

The bike is noticeably wider which put me back onto a new learning curve for lane splitting.
It's noticeably heavier when moving it around under foot power, but not at speed.
The power is very linear and really smooth.
The Termi's without DB killers sound amazing.
The brakes are fantastic.
The rear sets not only make riding on the balls of your feet difficult (not impossible), but it also makes it impossible to use the SSR reverse shifter from my S2R1000.
Oh, and they also make it a bit difficult to put the side stand down without running my boot down the swing arm.

I'd like to attempt to use my old clip ons, but for some reason Ducati decided to use tamper proof torx screws for the throttle.

CNC Racing makes a nice rearset that takes care of the position . . .

PM your email ao I can send you a pdf on how to replace battery

Yeah, that's about $1k isn't it? That's a bit much right now... Maybe later.

Someone mentioned that a reverse shifter from a 4v bike might work, any experience with this?

Here's another question for you:

Every promotional picture I see for the 821 shows the front turn signals mounted to the sides of the headlight like this:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02963/Monster-821-3_2963301c.jpg)

However, mine, and every picture I've seen of the bike in a physical dealership has them mounted to the forks like this:
(http://images.traderonline.com/img/5/dealer/7157936/113202467_1.jpg?3098%20width=)

And then, here's the obligatory pictures of mine:
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/4BEFBD15-235C-44DD-9149-E365474F3414_zps147ezigc.jpg)

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/4E665FB1-1231-4A1D-B8EE-486508381C9B_zpsp3vgnqvz.jpg)

Any idea why there's a difference?

My guess is that the turn signals and the headlight shell ended up being poor/no fit with each other as actually produced.
And rather than scrapping a pile of signals or shells, they made a widget to attach them to the fork legs.

That's definitely a possibility.

maybe to comply with fed regulations . .  but it is weird as is the T25 . . .

WOW those Termis look incredible.  I love how they shortened them so that they don't stick out past the tail (like on 1st gen Monsters).

Great color choice, NAKID. The red/black combo is very clean.

Thanks, I'm really liking it. The Termi's sound sweet. It's not as loud or raw as the BoomTubes were, but that's not a bad thing.

Probably because it is a ride by wire throttle?

Nice, I bought the M1200, and the Termi racing cans are incredible.

Guessing the USDOT required spacing distance vs ROW (rest-of-world).  ;)

try getting this part       7131A481A SPACER  $4.00ea

PSA:

ABS in touring mode (default at 2) does not prevent stoppies...

AFAIK, if the wheel is still turning, ABS will not intervene.

I don't think there's any other electrickery onboard that will intervene, either.

But that's the thing, the wheel stopped moving... It just didn't skid.

Not sure about the algorithms on the Brembo system but mine has kicked in a couple of times on a sandy patch on a road. Might detect a difference in front vs rear wheel speed? It's a nice system because you maintain lever feel with no pulsing.

As for your comment, most ABS systems kick off ~ 2 - 3 MPH.

Hmmm, this was about 10-15mph when I came up on the front...

The rear wheel was not rolling at 10 MPH? Already in the air?  ??? The ABS kicks in when a wheel locks above the bottom threshold speed.

Rear wheel was still spinning, I wan't using the rear brake.

So, front wheel locked relative to the bike, and the whole bike rolling forward on the front wheel?

I'm pretty sure the ABS does not compare front and rear wheel rotation, IMO that would introduce lots of mayhem.

Cars do, so who knows. Chips are small these days.  ;D

IIRC 696/796/1100 EVO ABS figure gearing into the equation, so it "might" be more complex than you imagine. Car ECU's also retard the ignition when the ABS is working. No reason the Brembo couldn't too as the EFi ECU on these bikes is ABS-specific.

To get the skinny though, you might have to call Giuseppe in Bologna.  8)

I wouldn't say rolling, more like pivoting. Front wheel stopped rolling, remained stationary on the asphalt. Rear of the bike came up, rear wheel still spinning.

Yes, that was what I was thinking.

I'd say the bike was going slower than the threshold at which the ABS disconnects.

A bike going ~8mph and locking the front without skidding will rotate up to the point it's raised the CG about 2 feet.
That'd have the rear wheel 3-4 feet up.
I think skilled stunters would be the only folks that could pull that one off.


I'm pretty sure that with cars that are available to the general public not being able to stoppie or wheelie, nor tip over in a flat pavement stop.... that the ABS algorithms are a good bit different.

So, breaking the bike in nicely with about 600 miles on it since I got it (bought a demo with 800 miles). Decided to see what I can get out of the tank commuting. I've been keeping the freeway speeds at about 75-80mph and somewhat reasonable on the surface streets. Total of about 30 mile each way commuting, ~22 of that is highway/toll roads. Fuel light came on at about 160 miles and average fuel economy sitting at 46.7mpg.

Not bad at all. This larger tank just got me an extra day between fuel stops.

 Rock on dude! Those are really good numbers! It bodes well for longer trips!

Absolutely, though, when you open it up, economy goes way down.

the one with signals in the head lights are European specifications the one with signals in the forks is USA specs

So, After a little over 7000 miles and the rearsets are getting tore-up. I mean, seriously, I haven't even hit the first major service and this is the wear and tear from daily riding...
My boots are Oxtar TCS EVO-RX

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/952B7917-9F4E-48D2-A47E-24EC1DD977EC_zpsjim4e68y.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/952B7917-9F4E-48D2-A47E-24EC1DD977EC_zpsjim4e68y.jpg.html)

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Told you since the begining, http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=4109 (http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=4109)

Maybe when the price drops out of orbit!

$1485 for the standard and an extra $200 for the touring?

Aren't stock rearsets less expensive?

You could cut them down...

It's not a matter of cutting them down. It's the overall placement that causes issues. I need the passenger pegs...

Are there any less expensive options out there?

The CNC rearsets are the only aftermarket option I've seen.

Sadly not yet . . .

How bout these

http://www.geckoracing.it/en/pedane-regolabili/ducati/ducati-monster-821,-1200-shop-on-line.html (http://www.geckoracing.it/en/pedane-regolabili/ducati/ducati-monster-821,-1200-shop-on-line.html)

Passenger pegs add 50 Euro

Still a lot less than CNC Racing

Hmmmm, ok. So unless I'm off on the currency conversion, That's like $230 before shipping and about $300 with.

Can that be right? That seems really low...

Exch rate is about $1.20>1Euro so bout right

That seems insanely cheap for rearsets. I mean, they are very simple and not really flashy, but still...

Are either of them going to solve the issue?

These ones are much closer to the middle of the bike. Not pushed out as far as the stock rearsets.

Not only that, but these are able to be adjusted far enough back to use a reverse shifter...

Looking at them, I would try the brushed alloy colour if they have it. I wonder how much flex. Still, at that price worth a try.

I don't think that would look that great against the magnesium color of the engine and swingarm...

Yeah, I hear you, I thought if the black colour wears they could look tatty. At the price you could have them re coloured in something very durable.

Right. I mean, the stock setup didn't hold up well after <6 months of riding...

Disappointing for sure, but if anything rubs so bad, it would have to be a very tough coating to not show. The oem foot pegs are such an after thought around the exhaust they probably wreck peoples boots over time. Some people are complaining about other models with the "shotgun" pipes.
The stockers are so damn ugly, it's not much to lose trying the geckos. Interesting to see how you find them.

Yeah. I didn't have a problem with the stock setup on my S2R1000...

Either way, $300 shipped isn't bad at all. Definitely on the short list...

So I pulled the trigger. I'll derby when I get them.

Gecko or CNC?

Gecko. CNC is still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of my price range.

 [thumbsup]

I'll let you know when I get them how it all works. Gonna be a bit of a pain though. Looks like they're held in place by an engine mounting bolt...

you need a 24mm allen

like this, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006L23AZ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006L23AZ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01)

I'm not sure what I would need that for. Both the upper and lower bolts holding on my rearsets are standard 6 point sockets that look to be about 14-15mm.

email sent

Not to be too late to the party, but these are the way I'm gonna go when my wallet will permit. I just like the look a little better than the CNCs. Hadn't heard of the Geckos, but will check them out.

http://www.ducabike.com/monster/monster-821/prm1201-pedane-regolabili.html (http://www.ducabike.com/monster/monster-821/prm1201-pedane-regolabili.html)

I believe they are available through Bellisimoto.

Enjoy!

Yeah, well with passenger pegs, they're no less expensive than the CNC racing...

So, anyone know a way I can get this translated?

http://www.geckoracing.it/files/pedane/monster_04/manuale.pdf (http://www.geckoracing.it/files/pedane/monster_04/manuale.pdf)

Is what you're looking for in here?

http://www.geckoracing.it/en/ (http://www.geckoracing.it/en/)

Unfortunately no.

http://www.geckoracing.it/files/guide.htm (http://www.geckoracing.it/files/guide.htm)

ONLINE MANUAL AND ASSISTANCE
Istructions for assembly are in italian language. This is specificated on announce.

Do you need all of it, or one section in particular?

I don't even know enough to know what's necessary and what isn't!  [bang] [laugh]

Put it in Google translate. It's explaining all the parts from what I've read so far

Use the OEM manual . . .  ;D

That would be nice, I seem to be missing the chassis section though...  ;D

Tried that:

"The page you requested was too large to translate."

I was reading it paragraph by paragraph

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] . . . . forgot

Ok, using that method I can at least get some idea. However, Google can't seem to translate this word: arretratore. Any ideas? It's used quite a bit in the directions and I can't seem to figure it out based on context.

OK, I think I got it. Found a website that translated it to "the tool for pushing" when in actuality, I think it should be "pedal".

from what I can make from this line ". Inserire le 4 BM8x16 nelle apposite sedi con 4 rondelle tra la staffa e l’arretratore." = insert the screws and washers to the bracket and "NUT"   "

PEDANE = PEDAL

Interesting.

Just tried the translate with the kit contents:
IL KIT COMPRENDE:
- Bustina con: 2 paratacchi, 4 SM6x10, 4 spessori con svasatura
- Bustina con: 2 pedalini delle leve
- Pedana SX cambio
- Pedana DX freno
- 2 Arretratori
- Barra del telaio filettata
- Bustina con: 2 spessori da 47mm, 2 BM8x25
- Bustina con: 4 BM8x16, asta del cambio, 3 prolunghe filettate x40 x65 x90, 2 dadi

Translated to this:
The kit includes:
- Bag with: 2 rail, 4 SM6x10, 4 thicknesses with countersink
- Bag with: 2 pedals levers
- Platform SX change
- DX brake platform
- 2 REARSET RISER
- The threaded chassis bar
- Bag with 2 thicknesses of 47mm, 2 BM8x25
- Bag with: 4 BM8x16, gear shift, 3 threaded extension x40 x65 x90, 2 nuts

So, arretratori=arretratore=rearset riser

or spacer . . . ;D

Emailed the seller last night, sent me English directions! WooHoo!

And, it does in fact translate to rearset riser.

I've been watching this thread, waiting for impressions of the rearsets.  They may be my next purchase.

First impressions are good. They feel and look high quality. I'm impressed with the level of adjustability in foot positioning options. I plan to work on it this weekend. I'll enlist my 10y/o as documentarian...

Great !!!

Seems Customer Service is goodyeah, you need someone handling the video camera

Customer service is good. Especially for what seems like a one man operation.

:o

Yeah, I've only interacted with one person and the package came with "Gift Only" receipts to clear customs with no duties.

So, 24mm hex bit is on the way (thanks for the link Carlos  [thumbsup]) and I plan to work on it this weekend, but I have a question regarding the motor mount. I need to remove the upper mount to replace the rearsets. Is there anything special I need to do?

 [popcorn] [drink]

use a car jack with a 4x4 piece of plywood to "hold engine in position"  . . . I am assuming you have a rear stand? So, place on stand, lift jack piece of wood under crankcase until a small resistance is felt, then loosen the screw/mount, but, follow the order given by manufacturer, it is the same order as OEM . ..  You might have to play a little with the jack, but, should have NO issues, just don't forget to use medium strength thread locker . . .

Or, I can fly there, you only need to feed me for a few days, and I'll do the job . . . ;D

You pay for the flight I pay for the food?  ;D

No no! You pay for the flight! ;D

DEAL !!!

I buy food in bulk. It's probably marginally cheaper to buy the food versus the flight from Panama to LAX.

(this doesn't include alcohol)

Ok, so despite the not so great weather this weekend, I pulled the bike out and replaced the rearsets with the new set from Gecko Racing.

Like I have said before, it looks and feels like high quality. Although I didn't weigh it before (really meant to, damn) it does feel significantly lighter than the stock set I took off.

There was one minor issue (the the seller noted in the instructions) and that is that the bracket for the exhaust mount didn't quite line up and took a little bit of "massaging" to get into place. Other than that, no issues. So here are some before, during, and after pictures:

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/CBBA62C9-2B19-4B96-99BD-A475D79A9F9F_zpsxvgquiuu.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/CBBA62C9-2B19-4B96-99BD-A475D79A9F9F_zpsxvgquiuu.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/E3EFD2E6-60B6-481A-81E7-7161A445A733_zpsjg6t2nhf.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/E3EFD2E6-60B6-481A-81E7-7161A445A733_zpsjg6t2nhf.jpg.html)
You can see the wear marks from my boots. This is after ~9000 miles of riding.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/3ECCD442-3C16-46EC-8329-39317C00B467_zpspwgwjqhc.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/3ECCD442-3C16-46EC-8329-39317C00B467_zpspwgwjqhc.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/67CEE348-7339-4E94-BDB9-165DAFE58EF9_zpsjlfsn8yp.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/67CEE348-7339-4E94-BDB9-165DAFE58EF9_zpsjlfsn8yp.jpg.html)
Here, everything has been removed and is ready to accept the new rearsets. I used a scissor jack with a block of wood to take the tension off the motor mount and it slid out with no issues.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/54ACDFA7-1643-4267-8937-EA6DE16055EC_zpsqds2br8x.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/54ACDFA7-1643-4267-8937-EA6DE16055EC_zpsqds2br8x.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/0996F730-B1D5-4B96-AE1C-FF5755648203_zpsaktarafe.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/0996F730-B1D5-4B96-AE1C-FF5755648203_zpsaktarafe.jpg.html)
And here it is all buttoned up.

Overall, riding impressions are good. The pegs are definitely more sport oriented, even in the lowest position. But riding on the balls of my feet is no longer an issue. It feels like it should, no pigeon-toed riding now.

As a note, the Gecko Racing rearsets do not allow for reverse shifting by just flipping the CS spline mount. However, the shifter I purchased before now works as the pegs are further back, allowing for some more room. I still have to play around with the position a little, but it's rideable as is.

Looks great. I was going to ask why the shifter didn't quite look like the rest, but you answered that on the last post.

Just deciding if I am comfortable enough with it before I paint it.

Got a decent deal on it because it was a slow mover and the last in stock.

Those pillion pegs look quite a bit higher than the stockers.

Higher and a little further forward. Should be easier for my wife. She didn't hop on this weekend because it was raining.

Here are the most recent pics of everything buttoned up with the proper shifter.

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/D1E8A9E6-AC10-4701-BC87-206152218825_zpsz3by5w09.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/D1E8A9E6-AC10-4701-BC87-206152218825_zpsz3by5w09.jpg.html)

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/BCD2BC98-F0C1-4DF2-A93B-351357474205_zpsu5oakx6m.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/BCD2BC98-F0C1-4DF2-A93B-351357474205_zpsu5oakx6m.jpg.html)

Close up of the shifter side:
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/A7BD0408-E297-4850-B487-D3DAA7557899_zpsieb3itis.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/A7BD0408-E297-4850-B487-D3DAA7557899_zpsieb3itis.jpg.html)

 [thumbsup] [Dolph]

Looking good!

Tidy! [thumbsup]
Looks more stock (integrated) than the stock part.

Thanks, I think so too. My only real complaint (and it's not really a complaint) is that I wish the passenger pegs were adjustable too. I sent the company pictures of them mounted and made that suggestion.

Looking good.  So the only issue you had was the exhaust mounting point, right?  I have the full Termi exhaust on my bike, I wonder if that would make the problem better or worse?  Also, I don't want the passenger pegs so the entire bracket would be left off just above where the swingarm pivot bolt is?

The instructions I got say that the difficulty with the exhaust varies from one bike to the other. I imagine whoever installed the exhaust may have not seated the silencers exactly or whatever.

The passenger pegs mount to the exhaust hanger right above the heel guards.

Is that a full system or just slip-ons? I thought Ducati is now working with Akrapovic.

Termi slip ons . . akra, on SBK only at the moment

I have to remember that. I need to have enough cash for the slip-ons and rearseats from day one.

but, remember in the US you can install any brand you want . . . Termis do come with UP-MAP Key

Just slip ons. Termi doesn't make a full system for the 821.

Recently added the SW Motech rack system along with a Givi e450 top case. Installed the padded back rest for some extra comfort for my wife.

Took the bike down to the beach this weekend and loaded all the riding gear in it while we hung out on the sand. Fit both pairs of boots, pants, jackets, and gloves easily. Helmets are hung from a mount behind the license plate.

Here's what it looks like all ready to go:

(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p513/NAKID1/B02F9A45-0A4A-4FD5-950B-177F979B9508_zpsahldclar.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/NAKID1/media/B02F9A45-0A4A-4FD5-950B-177F979B9508_zpsahldclar.jpg.html)

Next item I'll add will be the light kit for the case as I'm sure it's difficult to see the brake lights and turn signals with the case mounted. Luckily, it take <30 seconds to remove the case and mount from the rack.

Buy a Multi.  ;)

Hahahaha, maybe a little down the line.

Didn't initially think the wife was going to be riding with me. But now that she's more interested, I may pick up another bike that's more passenger friendly.

Multi is a good choice as is a HyperStrada or even a Diavel or XDiavel with touring pkg . . .

 
 Nice!

 We had two new riders low side their brand New 821's in our last two group rides! Must come with slippery tires!  [roll]