http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/02/01/lorenzo-dominates-first-day-of-2016/192245 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/02/01/lorenzo-dominates-first-day-of-2016/192245)
More of the same unfortunately. But, look at all the Ducs within the top 10!
Many riders are still running the 2015 bikes with Michelins and spec ECU.
And even better... Stoner will be on track this upcoming Tues. First time we'll be able to see how he would stack up to the rest.
I wouldn't expect him to be that fast, but he will steal the limelight from Jorghey and Rossi. Watch for a few bruised egos tomorrow.
Cant wait for those bruised egos ;D
But with a 2'02.1 Stoner put down in the private test would have placed him right behind Iannone. Can't really compare them due to different conditions but not bad at all with a probably dirty track and 2 years off the bike.
I'm thinking that this is Gigi's way of tempting him back onto the bike. Letting him see how he'd fare against the aliens on semi equal footing.
I'm thinking Gigi just wants more data, and it's more useful when it's from Stoner running in the exact same conditions as everyone else.
And if Stoner can spank the factory Y and H boys, then it's a bonus mindmake the beast with two backs.
Quote from: Speeddog on February 01, 2016, 09:26:45 AM
I'm thinking Gigi just wants more data, and it's more useful when it's from Stoner running in the exact same conditions as everyone else.
And if Stoner can spank the factory Y and H boys, then it's a bonus mindmake the beast with two backs.
^ This!
I think given a few days, Stoner can be top Ducati, but I doubt he'll be Yamaha fast at the getgo. But seeing Stoner narrow the gap will definitely set the tongues waging and will definitely get under the skin of the "sensitive egos".
JLo said he expects Stoner to be top 3. We'll see!
He's trying to get in front of the story. Instead of "what do you think of Stoner's performance" now they'll ask him about his prediction.
8hr session just started.
Seems like a lot of folks are in front of the Ducati garage. The 27 is sitting out front. 8)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2016, 06:18:39 PM
Seems like a lot of folks are in front of the Ducati garage. The 27 is sitting out front. 8)
That was pretty amusing.
Damn Petrucci [evil]
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/93A26692-EF0D-485B-8352-499AA981613F.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/93A26692-EF0D-485B-8352-499AA981613F.png.html)
Loris got lucky. Not good when the back tire explodes at 300kph. :o
Hmm, one second off of Pedrosa's 2015 pole lap.
Interesting. [popcorn]
Some talk of a suspension linkage failure on Baz's bike.
Given the amount of data the bikes log, they should be able to look at the suspension travel sensor and IMU info and figure out what happened.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/808C1574-AA15-4C0D-BF70-0D48298AC09B.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/808C1574-AA15-4C0D-BF70-0D48298AC09B.jpg.html)
Just watched Loris do an interview. He said he was going 290, and the tire disintegrated, had heard a noise a bit earlier.
Jorge crashed
JLo went down in turn 5, a left, and left side of the bike is ground off.
Looks like he lost the front.
Great interview with my boy 'Maverick' talking about training on his Moto X bike, and his MotoGP bike for 16. 8)
Michelin just pulled the soft rears for the rest of testing.
Video of Loris' bike on the wagon, didn't look like any suspension issue, swingarm position looked normal.
IIRC, he's the heaviest rider in the paddock (all 79 kilo of him [roll]).
And on the soft tire.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/859C6185-EC41-4C6B-BE72-5821CDEB25BF.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/859C6185-EC41-4C6B-BE72-5821CDEB25BF.jpg.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 01, 2016, 07:01:38 PM
Loris got lucky. Not good when the back tire explodes at 300kph. :o
The sound was pretty impressive.
The look on Dylan Grey's face was priceless.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12512543_10207171898850096_4687838035162769912_n.jpg?oh=97ec53e2344b0d005ecedcf9de146d02&oe=5738B4AB)
I read that there were a ton of front end crashes, including Jorghey. Was that on the soft or hard option tires? I doubt we'll see Jorghey at the top for the remainder of the test, he simply will not risk it.
Curious George was on the soft as well.
I read that Baz's team was running the tire pressure under the limit Michelin imposed to try to get some more rear grip... they are leaning towards that as the reason for the crash.
"The cause of the crash is still not entirely clear, but has been narrowed down to three possible causes. A problem with the engine was ruled out by the data, leaving just three possibilities: either the rear suspension broke, causing the tire to be ripped open; or there was a construction fault with the rear tire; or the rear tire overheated due to it being underinflated.
There is still no official explanation, but underinflation appears to be the probable culprit. Baz had suffered problems with a rear tire earlier in the day, which were also caused by running dangerously low pressures, with the aim of producing more grip and a better lap time. As a safety precaution, Michelin has temporarily withdrawn the tire Baz crashed on, the softer of the two compounds, and imposed a minimum inflation pressure of 1.7 Bar. Normally, teams would be running around 1.5 or 1.6 Bar, but there have been rumors of some of the teams at the bottom of the standings playing around with low tire pressures in search of extra grip."
https://motomatters.com/results/2016/02/02/2016_sepang_motogp_tuesday_test_times_2p.html
Also, JLo thinks it was probably a cold used front that caused his crash... I cant find the direct quote though for some reason but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Video of Baz's incident:
https://youtu.be/on2mgiv4TxA
Looked like the bike took a shot at him toward the end.
Examined Kopf's pic above, and compared with pics of GP14.2.
Something's definitely FUBARed in the rear suspension, swingarm angle is very flat.
Whether that happened prior to the tire failure or when the bike was pinballing down the road, can't say.
There'll be an 'official' report at some point.
Quote from: Speeddog on February 02, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Video of Baz's incident:
https://youtu.be/on2mgiv4TxA
Looked like the bike took a shot at him toward the end.
Tire disintegrates at :04. Not sure how far he slid, (4-500ft), but the bike did chase after him.
More here from David Emmett, who is on the ground in Sepang:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/02/02/2016_sepang_motogp_test_tuesday_round_up.html
Great insight again. Like Bridgestone, they will work through it. Reminds you how dangerous the sport can be when you add the chaotic variable of technical failure.
With a soft rear tyre take a second off Stoner's time...
Stoner was the fastest duc on the hard tire.
Starting to feel bad for Dovi now... It feels like even when he is the lead rider for the team he still winds up being the 2nd class rider. But then again he's the king of late braking and the michelins are probably the opposite of his style of riding.
Any reason Danilo is doing so well? Is his size/weight making it easier to get something more out of the michelins?
Maybe DanP gels with the hybrid Duc and was better than we all thought? That control ECU is having a good effect in levelling things (and helping Ducati). The tyres too I guess, although they're hurting Dovi, but the changes might help the adaptable young generation, if they're good enough, to close the gap on the Aliens and veterans.
Bautista is the first one out for session 3.
Interesting that they tried to throw the Avintia team under the bus for running air pressure too low.
Kudos to Avintia for thinking on their feet, and pointing out that the only person in their pit box with a tire pressure gauge was wearing a Michelin shirt.
;) The light came on and the roaches scurried.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 02, 2016, 03:49:53 AM
The sound was pretty impressive.
The look on Dylan Grey's face was priceless.
http://youtu.be/Xr9t0GJPItI (http://youtu.be/Xr9t0GJPItI)
Scroll down to the second vid. If the dude didn't drop his camera, he would have caught the whole crash.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/video-motogp-crash-loris-baz-sepang-020216 (http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/video-motogp-crash-loris-baz-sepang-020216)
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Watching live timing. Guess who's running second and only 2/10s behind JLo and a 10th in front of MM? ;D
Gigi is drawing up a juicy contract as we speak.
He said in an interview earlier today, that he had no desire.
My armchair analysis is that the 'tread' delaminated, pulling the exhaust down, and that's what sliced through the carcass and caused the blowout.
If the 'tread' had come off without effecting anything else, the tire would have still held air, and Baz would have had a chance to save it.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E34DF966-21A2-446C-9471-0DA6F4AEEB2D.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E34DF966-21A2-446C-9471-0DA6F4AEEB2D.png.html)
A) ~60 degrees sideways at 300kph.
Not good.
B) That looks like the rear suspension is already FUBARed, shit is dragging and the front tire is off the ground.
JLo is killing them at present.
The times haven't moved in over an hour. Must have been rained out. Supposed to be 1hr.40 mins left.
1. JLo
2. VR 0.54
3. MM 1.031
4. CS 1.080
5. Maniac 1.207
They are back out as the track has dried. JLo has broken 2mins.
30 mins left. Will egos turn the test into Superpole? [evil]
With Lorenzo 1 sec faster, not really any point anyone trying....
That was an incredibly dominant display by Lorenzo. The factory Yamahas were working well. Stoner ended up 5th but it seems he finished early. Pedro finally got in the picture overcoming whatever obstacles were holding him back. He was missing for much of the test, but turned up in the last hour or so.
This is an article from yesterday's practice, http://www.sportrider.com/why-is-ducatis-dalligna-letting-stoner-ride-on-tuesday#page-3 (http://www.sportrider.com/why-is-ducatis-dalligna-letting-stoner-ride-on-tuesday#page-3)
Interesting point of view . ..
Combined times from the 3 days, http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/2016_MotoGP_Test__Sepang_combined_3.pdf?version=1454494191 (http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/2016_MotoGP_Test__Sepang_combined_3.pdf?version=1454494191)
rider analysis from session 3, http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/2016_MotoGP_Test__Sepang_analysis_3.pdf?version=1454494144 (http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/2016_MotoGP_Test__Sepang_analysis_3.pdf?version=1454494144)
1 99 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha M1 1:59.580
2 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha M1 2:00.556 0.976 0.976
3 93 Marc Márquez Honda RC213V 2:00.883 1.303 0.327
4 35 Cal Crutchlow Honda RC213V 2:00.992 1.412 0.109
5 27 Casey Stoner Ducati GP15 Test 2:01.070 1.490 0.078
6 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda RC213V 2:01.161 1.581 0.091
7 9 Danilo Petrucci Ducati GP15 2:01.217 1.637 0.056
8 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati GP16 2:01.223 1.643 0.006
9 45 Scott Redding Ducati GP15 2:01.229 1.649 0.006
10 25 Maverick Viñales Suzuki GSX-RR 2:01.244 1.664 0.015
11 8 Hector Barbera Ducati GP14.2 2:01.434 1.854 0.190
12 41 Aleix Espargaro Suzuki GSX-RR 2:01.623 2.043 0.189
13 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati GP16 2:01.675 2.095 0.052
14 68 Yonny Hernandez Ducati GP14.2 2:01.774 2.194 0.099
15 44 Pol Espargaro Yamaha M1 2:01.870 2.290 0.096
16 38 Bradley Smith Yamaha M1 2:01.918 2.338 0.048
17 76 Loris Baz Ducati GP14.2 2:02.541 2.961 0.623
18 6 Stefan Bradl Aprilia RS-GP 2:02.792 3.212 0.251
19 21 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha M1 Test 2:02.940 3.360 0.148
20 53 Tito Rabat Honda RC213V 2:03.012 3.432 0.072
21 19 Alvaro Bautista Aprilia RS-GP 2:03.183 3.603 0.171
22 50 Eugene Laverty Ducati GP14.2 2:03.519 3.939 0.336
Makes you really realize that the aliens are a breed apart. Casey jumps on the bike and is already the fastest Duc. They really need an alien on the bike... but I can't see anyone leaving their teams even for a boatload of money. And I also can't see anyone being pushed out.
It's looking to be a JLo year though... 1 second ahead is pretty crazy.
A GIF of Baz's crash, stitched together from CormacGP's photos.
Doesn't show much more, other than the bike didn't take a shot at Baz when they were sliding.
https://twitter.com/denkmit/status/694939655481987072/photo/1
Is Dovi still considered Ducati's #1 rider? It seems that they developed a bike that he can't ride for shit. Casey was riding the GP15 with Iannone not too far behind on the GP16. I dedicate this video to Casey:
TLC - Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmH4_pr6mH0#)
Previous to about midway last year when Iannonne broke his shoulder and learned to ride smooth I'd def say that Dovi was the #1 rider. You could pretty much flip where they wound up in each race after that incident. Crazy Joe just really came into his own last year while Dovi just started this slow downward slide for some reason. Right now I'd say that Joe is #1 and Dovi is #2... and if Duc manages to find an alien willing to take a chance I'm pretty sure we all know who will be getting the boot. I could see Suzuki/KTM/Ape picking Dovi up at that point.
Another pic of Bazs' tire.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/00371C60-AAD8-436A-B5D2-647E5187DA55.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/00371C60-AAD8-436A-B5D2-647E5187DA55.png.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 03, 2016, 03:59:01 PM
Another pic of Bazs' tire.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/00371C60-AAD8-436A-B5D2-647E5187DA55.png) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/00371C60-AAD8-436A-B5D2-647E5187DA55.png.html)
Where'd the tread come from on that slick? ;)
I wonder if the Michelin tech assigned to Avintia is still employed? ;D
MotoGP home page has many articles, no of which are about Baz.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 03, 2016, 04:40:17 PM
MotoGP home page has many articles, no of which are about Baz.
That's sooo 2 dqays ago...from the home page...use a computer.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/02/02/baz-i-crashed-out-at-290-km-h/192398 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/02/02/baz-i-crashed-out-at-290-km-h/192398)
I missed it first pass. I get the same info you do on the iPad. ;)
Oh, and I really meant about the incident, the tire, and what not.
Sabotage ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 03, 2016, 04:53:13 PM
I missed it first pass. I get the same info you do on the iPad. ;)
Oh, and I really meant about the incident, the tire, and what not.
I don't think we'll ever see a lot about it. They can't withhold the soft tire forever though.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 04, 2016, 03:09:25 AM
I don't think we'll ever see a lot about it. They can't withhold the soft tire forever though.
At the same time, they don't want to throw the new manufacturer of the spec tire under the bus even before the season begins.
See, http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ducati-couldn-t-say-no-to-stoner-if-he-wants-to-race-671482/ (http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ducati-couldn-t-say-no-to-stoner-if-he-wants-to-race-671482/)
they need an alien, they'll get an alien
Quote from: duccarlos on February 04, 2016, 08:31:58 AM
At the same time, they don't want to throw the new manufacturer of the spec tire under the bus even before the season begins.
I'm pretty impressed how well the Michelins have progressed from the previous tests. Times are getting close to Bstone times and the riders aren't saying the tires are dangerous, more that they just need to get used to them. Cept Baz. I'd say Baz doesnt have the highest opinion of them right now.
Quote from: DarkMonster620 on February 04, 2016, 09:56:20 AM
See, http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ducati-couldn-t-say-no-to-stoner-if-he-wants-to-race-671482/ (http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ducati-couldn-t-say-no-to-stoner-if-he-wants-to-race-671482/)
they need an alien, they'll get an alien
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Quote from: duccarlos on February 04, 2016, 08:31:58 AM
At the same time, they don't want to throw the new manufacturer of the spec tire under the bus even before the season begins.
That's one reason why you won't hear anything. It was either a faulty tire or a technician under inflating the tire. Either way it's all on Michelin.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 04, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
That's one reason why you won't hear anything. It was either a faulty tire or a technician under inflating the tire. Either way it's all on Michelin.
Yep, imagine the fallout if someone finds that the Michelins are somehow defective.
I honestly suspect that the tire was way under inflated. Michelin's respond well to lower pressures to get better gip...to a point. kopf posted a pic that showed the rubber smeared across the surface of the tire. That isn't normal.
edit...after reading Speeddog's link about the tire the appearance isn't normal because all the top layer of rubber is gone. :o
Loris is a lucky boy.
Understatement of the year. He was going 180mph. Also lucky the bike didn't hit him.
Quote from: duccarlos on February 08, 2016, 12:06:49 PM
Understatement of the year. He was going 180mph. Also lucky the bike didn't hit him.
Wasn't it Marquez that crashed there at 200?
Pretty sure that Marquez crash was Mugello.
Quote from: Speeddog on February 08, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Pretty sure that Marquez crash was Mugello.
You're most likely right.
I just remember the speed and that he walked away.
I think that was the crash where MM got the record for highest speed crash in MotoGP ever right?
Quote from: thought on February 08, 2016, 03:18:53 PM
I think that was the crash where MM got the record for highest speed crash in MotoGP ever right?
Yeah...and all he got was a scuff on his chin.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/372B839E-79A4-4811-925B-D5260A889932.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/372B839E-79A4-4811-925B-D5260A889932.jpg.html)
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(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C1CF880C-4C43-453E-A7C5-61A91D230A90.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C1CF880C-4C43-453E-A7C5-61A91D230A90.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/A4200EF0-91F3-497C-B400-77D792F85BEF.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/A4200EF0-91F3-497C-B400-77D792F85BEF.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/C0BCD84C-8422-44D4-9075-48D774E30BDB.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/C0BCD84C-8422-44D4-9075-48D774E30BDB.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/86992074-FE03-4713-8CDD-05E66FF6E6B2.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/86992074-FE03-4713-8CDD-05E66FF6E6B2.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/FB7C954B-F17F-4D21-9421-2EBE43989196.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/FB7C954B-F17F-4D21-9421-2EBE43989196.jpg.html)
Stoner
http://youtu.be/Ekqym9LmNOw (http://youtu.be/Ekqym9LmNOw)
Leaving the garage
http://youtu.be/ofkuaxFz2WI (http://youtu.be/ofkuaxFz2WI)
Front straight
http://youtu.be/02rfYnWe76M (http://youtu.be/02rfYnWe76M)
At idle
http://youtu.be/7TyoPJakLTA (http://youtu.be/7TyoPJakLTA)
Quote from: ducpainter on February 08, 2016, 03:22:36 PM
Yeah...and all he got was a scuff on his chin.
Haha, now I remember... and he looked like Jay Leno for a while afterwards.
And offhand... Kopf's first link in the Stoner vids. Clicked it and when it panned to the first shot of Stoner... that looked NSFW as hell till your realize she was just adjusting his gloves for him haha
Oi! Case! That wasn't the missus.
Ducati will do anything to get him back.