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Why the make the beast with two backs are they following so close? First guy dumped it, second guy didn't have enough time/room to stop and grabbed a handful of front brake...

 ??? ??? ??? :P :P

Because they're SoCal race boys.  :-\

That corner bites lots of people.

Yet they still try and push it there. make the beast with two backs em.

No where better to be a motorcyclist.

Not even close to the point, but you knew that already.

Soooo... let's make things even better and park your bike in the travel lane...

It's a bad corner because there's a camera there.

The camera causes many riders to be afflicted with the stupid.

OOOOh that early mid sixties vette <3

They were stupid long before that corner.  ;)

 :P
Yeah they were close.

Not leaving much margin. Obviously never heard of "The Pace".

There's lots of clips of these, or similar little packs blasting up Mulholland nose-to-ass... I don't get it either.

I won't follow that closely and really don't like someone up my rear like that. I've pulled out of line in a group ride to avoid someone who had a habbit of following too closely

You guys probably wouldn't like riding with my crew. That clip was maybe a little too close.
It's like a two wheeled ballet through corners but you've really got to have confidence in your skills and know the skills of the other riders. A rarity.

I rarely if ever ride with other bikes and if I do there's none of that shit going on. Take it to the track.  ;)

The guy in front...  His ass end starts to step out at 43 seconds into the vid - the instant his rear tire crosses the black mark that can be seen seen at 0:51 - 0:52. (from the shoulder between the guardrail and big rock extending into the lane at ~45deg)


Correlation?  Or just coincidence that "x marks the spot" that he ran out of talent?

I could be wrong, because I've never run that road, but from the drone shot, it looks as if the lead up to the corner is uphill, then the corner flattens out, instead of being slightly banked. Which to me would explain why there are so many lowsides there.

Canyon riding is a strange beast.   For some, it's the only/easiest place to go that's got turns that are not 4-way intersections; it just happens to be littered with all kinds of things that could kill you...  I believe that most people think that they need to be a highly skilled rider BEFORE considering a trackday, rather than viewing it as safer, controlled environment meant for figuring out how you and your motorcycle work together.   There's a funny Robert Shimmel bit about  being too out of shape to go to the gym because everybody there looks like a fitness model.  He needed to find the gym that you go to before you go to The Gym...  I'm guessing that is what canyon riding is for some people who might think they are not "good enough" yet to do trackdays.  For others, they just do not know any better until something bites em.

I do have a true story that parallels this topic.   A racer friend of mine called out one of the regulars that charge up and down The Snake after he posted pictures of dragging elbows through that famous corner.   Once the arguing and banter settled, my friend eventually invited "the squid" out to one of our mini races and even provided a bIke.  The squid was hooked and tagged along to club races and trackdays  where he earned the privilege of sampling various equipment and was loaned a supersport bike to race in the amateur class for the season.   The yellow plates got traded in for white expert plates and he took a win against Benny Solis shortly after.  Today he announced that he will be representing Tuned Racing with support from Bridgestone/Sportbike Upgrade where he will be racing at several MotoAmerica events this year, including Laguna Seca.   This all happened over this past year and I'm proud to call the ex-squid my friend.  Tho he claims to have learned the error in his ways, I do see him pop up from time to time in those videos.     Get em Raffa!

btw, we both still race da minis...   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p1nO3v0DmUk 

The hits just keep on coming.

http://youtu.be/CHFUI1tyC8k (http://youtu.be/CHFUI1tyC8k)

Ha!  The same exact spot.  Must definitely be a tricky corner.

one of my very experienced buddies insists there's a slight bump mid corner that tosses people.  I've watched more than a fair share of videos of that corner and some of them, in slo-mo, there does seem to be something happening there because some bikes unsettle briefly then go down.  I don't know if it's the road, the camera, or the riders.

the first time I rode through there we got to the top and I said "that was it?"  granted, I wasn't going near as fast as most people who wad up their bikes there.

It appears there's about a 6 foot long patch in that lane that's the full width of the lane.

The patch is a slightly different color asphalt and looks to be slightly lower than the rest of the road.

In both videos the riders low-sided when their front suspension decompressed when they hit the dip.

At the 1:12 mark of the first video, you can see it  on the helmet cam of a rider coming up to the crash scene at a slower pace.

There's also a really clear shot of the patch in the drone footage starting around the 2:40 mark.

You could put up a neon sign with a arrow pointing at it, and they'll still crash there every weekend.  ;)

The sign wouldn't make it very long.

One of them would target fixate on it and take it out.

 ;D

I don't doubt that the patch has a different level of grip but it doesn't seem to be the main trigger of that second crash.    From my armchair, it looks like the front tucks just before he gets to the patch, a classic example of riding with too much weight and tension in your arms.  The way I see it, the rider is completely off the brakes, settling into the corner, and supporting his upper body with his arms.   As he tightens his line, his toe scrapes the ground, his body flinches, and that movement is transferred directly into the bars.  Just a guess.

Here's another; S4R

Looks like he locked up the rear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBgrVI0Dyto&ebc=ANyPxKq66mYm33fb38tWqhXaRebkqrw0teKqP_jKg_JCbv6ka-Ecz8OK9ni7RSwLwgbGkUl-y_A5CfldpHbGpic-h0a9JhkJ8w&nohtml5=False (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBgrVI0Dyto&ebc=ANyPxKq66mYm33fb38tWqhXaRebkqrw0teKqP_jKg_JCbv6ka-Ecz8OK9ni7RSwLwgbGkUl-y_A5CfldpHbGpic-h0a9JhkJ8w&nohtml5=False)

I have no idea what that last guy did other than 
but I think the bottom line is if you are running close to 10/10ths on the street a crash is inevitable.

i think this one is a derby. Read through this thread:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=45800.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=45800.0)

In this last one, you can see the slow-mo of the guy locking the back. Not so much like the other lowsides.

Exactly. I watched over a dozen of those videos and one thing was consistent: Rider Error.

So many of them crashed after dragging hard parts. That was caused by improper body positioning. So many of them were counter-leaning. Getting their bike low, but leaning to the opposite side...

Ding...Ding...Ding, hence the thread title.  ;)

If you run at 10/10ths anywhere you're going to crash eventually.

Trying to get rid of those chicken strips so they can show them off at the BBQ joint afterwards....

True, but that guard rail can be really painful.