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This is basically the only race where Yonni Hernandez will be prominently featured.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2016/03/31/motogp-riders-take-the-scenic-route-to-argentinagp/196998 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2016/03/31/motogp-riders-take-the-scenic-route-to-argentinagp/196998)

New territory with the new rules, so hope it levels things. Got high hopes for Mad Andy and Top Gun.

Apparently a dusty track is scrambling the timesheets; look at the shifts from FP1 to FP2 (except for Lorenzo, who remains mired in the last half of the times)

FP1:

1.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   43.684s   [Lap 14/14]   323km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   43.778s   +0.094s   [14/16]   314km/h
3.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   44.027s   +0.343s   [16/16]   318km/h
4.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   44.113s   +0.429s   [17/17]   317km/h
5.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   44.128s   +0.444s   [16/16]   313km/h
6.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.181s   +0.497s   [13/13]   319km/h
7.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   44.231s   +0.547s   [13/14]   315km/h
8.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   44.244s   +0.560s   [16/20]   310km/h
9.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   44.275s   +0.591s   [16/16]   316km/h
10.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   44.293s   +0.609s   [18/19]   319km/h
11.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   44.455s   +0.771s   [17/17]   316km/h
12.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   44.742s   +1.058s   [12/13]   316km/h
13.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   45.080s   +1.396s   [18/18]   310km/h
14.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   45.294s   +1.610s   [15/15]   311km/h
15.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   45.447s   +1.763s   [17/17]   309km/h
16.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   45.519s   +1.835s   [18/18]   307km/h
17.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   45.590s   +1.906s   [18/18]   315km/h
18.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   45.792s   +2.108s   [10/17]   326km/h
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   45.876s   +2.192s   [22/22]   310km/h
20.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   46.086s   +2.402s   [6/11]   310km/h
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/228912/1/motogp-argentina-free-practice-1-results.html#96U8qSvbXOQCl4Of.99 (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/228912/1/motogp-argentina-free-practice-1-results.html#96U8qSvbXOQCl4Of.99)

FP2:


1.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   41.579s   [Lap 15/16]   317km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   41.604s   +0.025s   [15/16]   315km/h
3.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   42.047s   +0.468s   [11/15]   316km/h
4.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   42.375s   +0.796s   [14/17]   313km/h
5.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   42.451s   +0.872s   [17/18]   315km/h
6.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   42.458s   +0.879s   [16/18]   318km/h
7.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   42.565s   +0.986s   [18/19]   317km/h
8.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   42.576s   +0.997s   [12/12]   314km/h
9.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   42.595s   +1.016s   [17/18]   317km/h
10.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   42.635s   +1.056s   [14/18]   323km/h
11.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   42.664s   +1.085s   [14/16]   319km/h
12.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   42.724s   +1.145s   [14/14]   318km/h
13.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   42.774s   +1.195s   [12/16]   317km/h
14.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   42.819s   +1.240s   [10/14]   318km/h
15.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   42.953s   +1.374s   [18/19]   325km/h
16.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   43.054s   +1.475s   [17/18]   313km/h
17.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   43.242s   +1.663s   [11/13]   319km/h
18.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   43.538s   +1.959s   [10/18]   312km/h
19.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   43.800s   +2.221s   [18/18]   311km/h
20.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   43.892s   +2.313s   [11/17]   308km/h
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/228930/1/motogp-argentina-free-practice-2-results.html#5jOEbpWSJStEkBCX.99 (http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/228930/1/motogp-argentina-free-practice-2-results.html#5jOEbpWSJStEkBCX.99)

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/01/vinales-the-crash-was-my-fault/197189 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/01/vinales-the-crash-was-my-fault/197189)

Interesting results so far.

Giggest surprise so far is how Miller went both sessions. Top Satellite 2nd session and ahead of Crusty surprises me...( even with his FP1 crash)

Looks like the fitness work is paying off. If it is a wet race as predicted will be interesting...

Maybe this year Miller will be able to show the promise HRC believes he has.

Top fifteen all within 1 second.
Pirro was that 15th man, just got on the bike this morning.

Dafuk's going on . . .

I think the track is changing lap by lap.

He'll have to figure out how to stay on the bike.

 [laugh]

Very true. I still reckon he should have gone to Moto2 before the premier class.

After the qualifying results my hopes of a new order were dashed a bit. Nutcase Andy better stay on this time.
I'm not getting up at 4.30am to watch this one. Took me a week to recover last time, so I'll watch the replay. The Euro rounds play live here at about 9.30-10.30pm which is very civilized. [wine]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/02/statement-regarding-the-argentina-gp-following-team-meeting/197356 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/02/statement-regarding-the-argentina-gp-following-team-meeting/197356)

Marc Marquez takes MotoGP pole position in Argentina despite crashing out in the final minutes


Qualifying 2:   
1.   Marc Marquez   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   39.411s   [Lap 2/7]   315km/h (Top Speed)
2.   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   39.786s   +0.375s   [8/8]   317km/h
3.   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m   39.944s   +0.533s   [8/8]   318km/h
4.   Dani Pedrosa   ESP   Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m   40.011s   +0.600s   [7/8]   317km/h
5.   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   40.198s   +0.787s   [7/8]   323km/h
6.   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP)   1m   40.272s   +0.861s   [8/8]   325km/h
7.   Maverick Viñales   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   40.375s   +0.964s   [7/7]   318km/h
8.   Hector Barbera   ESP   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   40.524s   +1.113s   [6/8]   317km/h
9.   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m   40.528s   +1.117s   [4/6]   314km/h
10.   Pol Espargaro   ESP   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   40.654s   +1.243s   [3/8]   316km/h
11.   Aleix Espargaro   ESP   Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m   40.708s   +1.297s   [7/7]   313km/h
12.   Bradley Smith   GBR   Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)   1m   40.893s   +1.482s   [3/5]   315km/h

Qualifying 1:   
13.   Loris Baz   FRA   Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   40.744s   315km/h   
14.   Scott Redding   GBR   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   40.750s   321km/h   
15.   Jack Miller   AUS   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m   40.881s   317km/h   
16.   Stefan Bradl   GER   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   40.897s   314km/h   
17.   Eugene Laverty   IRL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   40.990s   322km/h   
18.   Michele Pirro   ITA   Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15)   1m   41.116s   320km/h   
19.   Tito Rabat   ESP   Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)*   1m   41.157s   315km/h   
20.   Alvaro Bautista   ESP   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m   41.611s   313km/h   
21.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP14.2)   1m   41.692s   318km/h   

That'll make the beast with two backs with You'reghey's head.

 :D They're busting out the "special" tires.

Someone is busy in the Michelin garage tonight with the paint marker. [laugh]

 [laugh]  'No..No..its ch'

Pole lap

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2016/04/02/marquez-s-pole-winning-lap/197349 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2016/04/02/marquez-s-pole-winning-lap/197349)

I guess they're not going to broadcast the extra free practice. :(

Hmmmm...maybe it's raining and the practice was moot because they won't be using slicks anyway.

Confirmed...wet in Argentina.

WTF? Have you heard the race rules for today?
Unbelievable. Even with dry race, you are forced to a tire change at mid race, and race is shortened to 20 laps.
We want the Bridgestone back!!!  [thumbsdown]

You're not gonna see Bridgestone back.

Did anyone else see the Moto3 race?

Pawi by 26 seconds on a damp track on slicks.

the race actually started on 2nd . . . winner was on a jet

que?

I meant the race was going on from 2nd place onwards . . . nothng to do with the guy who won it

Wooza . . . excellent foist laps

God Damnit, My boy was getting after it

WHAT THE make the beast with two backs!!!!!!h

You dumbasses  [bang]

make the beast with two backsING CRAZY JOE!!!!! I love the kid, but WHAT THE make the beast with two backs?

Ya no knee did that shit in turn 1 as well

Great race but this shit with Ducati's racing each other NEEDS TO STOP!!! [bang] [bang] [bang]Get your shit together boys, you're throwing points away.

Frank...your boy the Maniac can blow me.

I hope Ducati signs Vinales and kicks that asshole Iannone to the curb.

You don't make the beast with two backsing pull that move on the last corner on your teammate that would have likely ended up leading the championship!! Again, I love the kid, but he has no make the beast with two backsing smarts! Dumb as dogshit!

Would have loved to see Viñales on the podium and looking at the bright side, Doucherenzo crashed early.

That's as positive as I can be right now.

I was commenting that same shit with a buddy of mine that's here watching the race ..  . DAFOCK !!

he can ride but, he should attach his head when he races . . .

I just hope race direction gives him a penalty he'll remember as opposed to a couple of points. He almost did the same thing in Qatar.

Yes he's fast, but he'll be long gone from Ducati before he has enough smarts to be a true asset to the team. They're better off with Dovi.

He needs to be sat down for a while.

Dovi would be a better teammate for Lorenzo. After this race, Lorenzo would be smart to call Audi, accept the contract and demand they get rid of Iannone. Fast make the beast with two backs gets you only so far in MotoGP. I really had great hopes for him this year.

I still don't think Lorenzo is the best thing for Ducati. I know most will disagree, but You'reghey is a headcase. Everything needs to be perfect or he's useless, and let's face it...the Duc is far from perfect. Look at what happened to him today today. Changes before the race with tires and procedure and he couldn't handle it.

Maybe in a couple of years, but not yet.

Believe me, I don't like the idea of Jorghey in Ducati, but he's the best option right now. I personally think the bike can compete, with an Alien on it.

What about Mav?

Ugghh.... that was painful to watch, even more so when you realize that Dovi would have been 2nd in the Championship and only 1 point behind Marquez.

Second and third, the way they should have finished today, isn't competing?

I cant wait to see the comments from both camps and the Unibrow on the race (if he has any). Crazy Joe's win it or bin it philosophy is costing him, his teammate and the company. Someone needs to tell Crazy Joe, it's a marathon not a race. Binning it in the first two races when Ducati could have two riders in the hurt should be a wake up call to him. Marquez learned so there's hope for Crazy Joe I hope..

3 place grid penalty for COTA, and 1 point.

Not enough IMO.

Where'd you see that D? I've been scouring motogp for info.

Just showed up on MotoGP

Not seeing it.

You on the app on your phone?

It's on this link about MM.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/03/marquez-it-s-a-special-win/197500 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/03/marquez-it-s-a-special-win/197500)

Thanks.

I wonder what Gigi will have to say?

My guess is they've all been in a state of shock for the past several hours. He might not have anything to say publicly until after a nights sleep.

I'm not certain he'd make a public statement at all. I want to be a fly on the wall when he calls him to the office. [evil]

Iannone better bring a chair.   ;)

They are competitive. Imagine how much so with one of the Aliens. Dovi is a solid rider, but he's only won 1 MotoGP race, ever. You need at least one guy that can fight for the "W" consistently.

It will not be a good night in Argentina for Crazy Joe

;D

He already apologized to the team and Dovi, publicly. He knows he has fscked up.

He make the beast with two backsed up in Qatar also and was lucky to not have taken Dovi out.

Sorry doesn't always cut it.

Jorge

"This is racing; sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You have to accept it and think positive, just forget this race and think about the future.” (With Ducati  :D)

That was painful. I just yelled so loud I woke up my son.

Shame Vinales binned it. The kid is fast.

What a make the beast with two backsing waste for Ducati

Not a total waste, Laverty got 4th!  8)  :-\

All I gotta say is you gotta finish the race upright on 2 wheels to score points (unless you're Dovi and finish on 2 wheels and 2 legs) sometimes you have to hold back and avoid the risk, it's not like the season ends next week and they were fighting for the lead in points. My 2 cents

Hooray for Vale! 2nd in the points and 8 behind MM

Nutcase Andrew to the employment agency this week.

I'm a bit calmer today, but it seems that Iannone wants to prove something early in the year. Most likely because he knows that when they get back to Europe, Honda and Yamaha will leave Ducati in the dust. If HRC is still struggling the Duc boys might have a chance to win at Austin. Iannone wants to be the first winner on a Duc since Stoner, the problem is he's willing to take out his teammate to accomplish it.

I'm still pissed at Iannone . . . he's good but, hot headed

Ok, now that a little time has passed I can compose my thoughts.

That was make the beast with two backsed up!  But it's not the first time a rider was taken down by his teammate.  It's not like it was the race to determine the championship......

Not justifying what Iannone did but I think he's a faster rider than Dovi.  Dovi is not the alien everyone is looking for.  I think he was holding Iannone back.  That's the one good thing Dovi is good at, not letting riders pass him. 

What is it with Dovi and his teammates?  Remember when he and Nicky were trading paint on the last lap and jumped a curb.

Imagine that, a young aggressive rider?  Never seen that before.

Iannone makes racing interesting!  Unless you want to watch J-Lo turn laps?

Speaking of J-Lo, he should fall more often.  That race was interesting to watch!

ducpainter is right, there's no way J-Lo can ride the duc.  Too many variables and J-Lo is too sensitive.  Yesterdays race is a good example.



 

Rossi wasn't doing much better on his second bike. He didn't crash, but he was going backwards and was on the edge when fighting with Vinales especially. The Ducs passed him pretty easily since he was going wide on practically every lap.

If you didn't see it, Dovi pushed his bike to the finish line for 13th.  [clap] I don't know of many riders that would do that.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/04/dovizioso-everyone-could-see-happened/197695 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/04/dovizioso-everyone-could-see-happened/197695)

At this rate, he's doing everything he can to make sure that happens in the points standings.

Agreed with every point you hit

The Maniac is a more aggressive rider than Dovi where Dovi is more willing to settle than put up a fight.

This weekend showed how curve balls really affect JLo, the tarmac is too bumpy, there's wet patches all over the place, you want me to do another WUP lap??I can't use that rear tire? We have to swap bikes? Fried microchip self destruction in 60 seconds down I go

Yep, someone is going to have to sit him down and tell him that he can't go ape shit every time the red lights go out

Mad respect for that and he earned 3 points

Makes me wish Iannone would go ahead and injure his shoulder again so he tames the aggression for fear of aggravating the injury.

That being said, exciting race. Wish we could have seen MM/VR duke it out on their main bikes... would have been somethign special. How much did Rabat in the way affect the gap when they came back in? I thought he was a backmarker at first that wasn't getting a blue flag till I saw that he just didnt pit till the last second.

The timing was unfortunate for rossi, but I think his #2 bike setup/tire issue was the real killer.
If the equipment had been spot-on, he would have gotten by Rabat without drama.


Oh, props to Rabat for bringin' it home.  [beer]

The only thing I agree with is that I'm right. ;D

"I lost the front"


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/04/iannone-i-lost-the-front-and-brought-down-dovizioso/197681 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/04/04/iannone-i-lost-the-front-and-brought-down-dovizioso/197681)

I'm certainly no expert but it looked to me like he lost the front, the rear and the middle!

Mark

 [laugh] ....and his mind.

make the beast with two backs you Iannone.

There...I said it.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

http://youtu.be/rRWDRP04d5c (http://youtu.be/rRWDRP04d5c)

 [laugh] [clap]

Rossi was in too hot on that turn as well, and almost ran into them.

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/CCEB629B-B886-4C05-96C9-B680F374F415.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/CCEB629B-B886-4C05-96C9-B680F374F415.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/E144F220-4A2D-4084-A9C7-7C0FF1FCB7C1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/E144F220-4A2D-4084-A9C7-7C0FF1FCB7C1.jpg.html)

Dovi pushing the bike over the line for 13th and 3 points. = Class.

No more pictures of that incident. Seeing both Ducs on the ground in the last turn on the last lap about to score a double podium pisses me right the hell off.

In the words of so many women....

I can't even

Did anyone see Dovi look straight at crazy joe and shake his fist with anger while sliding on his ass? I'm waiting for a good caption on that one

Not everybody's darling this year just yet is he?   ;D

words once said by CS, very to the point in this issue

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1695/26232774556_c52e92645d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FY6PWu) (https://flic.kr/p/FY6PWu), on Flickr

Iannone and Dovi likely have another thing to think about...JLo. If Ducati signs him, then one of them is out of a job. Could be why Iannone has been so aggressive in the 1st two races. Dovi is already the established #1 rider in the team.

I don't think Rossi's second bike was all that bad...look at the lap times between the two. What is clear is MM was more comfortable on his 2nd bike though. He also seemed more determined...he was riding the wheels off of that thing. He earmed that win.

Very disappointed for Vinales.

Ducati Corse Sporting Director, Paolo Ciabatti said he will be talking to the Andrews and giving them Ducati's opinion on the crash. Crazy Andy is going to get arse roasted alive.

Based on last year's Rossi/Marquez bump, the hittee will likely get the penalty.

I wonder if MotoGP will add bike-swapping as a regular feature to all its races....makes things more interesting

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73128.msg1347545#msg1347545 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73128.msg1347545#msg1347545)

Never happen.  ;)

Thanks, but I have not booked the MotoGP subscription - boycotting due to last year's Rossi-Marquez decision.

As much as I like ducati, i like VR and have to say thank you Ducati for paving the way for VR.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 ??? ???

My translation - Lorenzo being offered lots of money elsewhere helps VR next season by not fighting with JLo

Except I think VR will be soundly beaten by whichever team mate they choose. Especially if it is Vinales.

I wouldn't expect a resounding beating, not at first. I would expect that Rossi actually try to develop him as his successor. I think Vale probably realizes he's not the fastest guy out there and Yamaha would appreciate him helping out getting someone that can consistently beat MM ready to take over.


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