Ducati Monster Forum

Edit. This will likely be an M400 with a 900 motor transplant.
1. M900 preferably 90's model keeping the stock look
>Hi comps (JE) and engine studs to suit
>Worked oem carbs and manifolds
>Light flywheel
>Light clutch
>Ported heads
>Modified airbox
> Slip on exhausts.
>Possible 900ie cams or 900ie motor
> Possible 44mm inlet valves with porting to suit.

Of course with a 900 model wheel and swingarm.

Some explanation. I really love the character of the older motors, maybe it's because I'm getting older too.

The Monster would be an exercise in polishing what is basically stock and the SS would be an exercise in exploring a variation in that engine character that moves the torque further up the rev range. Always wanted to try a short manifold 900. Mikuni TM38 flatslides are a non pumper carb costing about $500 AUD for the pair with 2 into 1 throttle to suit. I have barrel filters to suit.



The motors are still both old style heavy crank carburettored motors that give a substantial feel that is satisfying on the road.

Goal for M900 is 80-85hp grunt motor for cruising and 85-90hp sport motor for the Supersport. The Supersport/Superlights will become classics as they dont make them anymore. Superlights are being advertjsed here for 10-15 k.  I would love to have both and if they are on classic registration much easier to justify. Yeah, like that's gonna happen!

Just some self indulgent musing.

SS

Will those TM's tolerate the OEM semi-downdraft position?

A Monster is almost too close to my Hyper in some ways. I feel that the old Hyper captures the spirit of the Monster better than the current Monsters and old Monsters being so close in function to my HM, but a Supersport/Superlight is just so special imo. I love the fairing shape and even love the rectangular head light!
Still, it would be better to have both!


I would run the vert cylinder on a short straight manifold and Mikuni sell 45-90 degree manifolds ala Malossi for the hor cylinder. So One carb dead horizontal and one nearly horizontal. I think talking to yourself awhile back and that friendly bloke at Powerbarn it seems you wouldn't tip them more than 20 odd deg. With the slight backward tilt of the hor cyclinder you might get away with a 45 degree manifold. As long as the TMs don't jam open! [laugh]

SS . . . just love thase bikes

Thanks you blokes for coming on board with this hopeless dream. Every time I look at my mate's Superlight I realise I need one.

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I'm pretty sure it was you that told me that running the TM's past 15-20 deg angle would be tuning wise entering,  "a world of pain" ;D.

That splits the difference! I would definitely keep the SS as a fully faired bike.

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Stop it you. [laugh]

Just ideas . . .

I can do this all night long.  :D

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It's torture. ;D

Nice one. [thumbsup]

l note the split FCRs on short manifolds into MBP heads. You're a harsh man. :D

You start that project and I'll start mine.  8) I'll be at the Pub waiting for ya.  ;)

You ain't getting out of this one easy.  ;)

Personally...

I prefer to leave the SBK plastics out of the SS builds.

That's just me.

The classic SS fairings are beautiful. Acres of red with understated decals for me. Im starting to want to preserve the original looks on these older bikes but for a tail tidy and subtle touches.

(http://cdn.silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Walt-Siegl-Building-The-Riviera-Ducati-SS.jpg)

(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/supersport/115652d1344277770-split-oil-breather-pipe-1997-sssp-track-bike-008.jpg)

(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/supersport/492090d1420778854-noob-supersport-question-year-changes-sp-.jpg)

Maybe with a set of these,

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I think that was for the FCR's.

That red #67 that Kopf posted, the FCR on the horizontal cylinder is laid over a *lot*, nearly vertical downdraft!
The dude at Sudco led me to believe that the FCR's wouldn't tolerate that.... but I keep forgetting I've got to consider the source.... :P

Custom framed job looks good.
Love the other two. I must be a traditioalist.

you need the wire wheels

Iirc I also sought your advice about TMs and their horizontal float bowls. I know a bloke who ran them on Malossi manifolds on his 900SS,  he bored them to 40.5mm. I bought them off him and  was going to try them. I wont forget your "world of pain" comment. :)

My best chance short term is a customer project. I really want one for myself,  but I am due to start one this winter on a 1994 900 Monster with FCR 41s and the aforementioned engine specs. I will report on that in a couple of months. Maybe I can convince my buddy with the Superlight to try short manifolds. ;D

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Nice job. The carbed ones should be restored in keeping with the overall original looks, but I dont mind them butchering the injected ones, because thats the right thing to do. ;D

Just got a MTS 1100 and really love the tourqier engine, nothing wrong w a modded 900 though.

Go w the SL project, bet it`s more interesting for you w the carbs etc.
I think Ducati had a design peak first half of the 90`s.
One of my favourites:

(http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/ducati-900-ss-super-sport-1991-7.jpg)


Let me give you a push in the right direction [evil]  ;D:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/Termignoni-silenziatori-corsa-alto-Ducati-900-SS-1991-96-/112006675517?hash=item1a141e3c3d (http://www.ebay.it/itm/Termignoni-silenziatori-corsa-alto-Ducati-900-SS-1991-96-/112006675517?hash=item1a141e3c3d)
Hens teeth up for grabs again.... [thumbsup]

Just read in a Dellorto manual the PH (I think) can tilt 40 degrees.
http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/dellorto_guide/dellorto_2.html (http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/dellorto_guide/dellorto_2.html)

Yes, that's correct, I also have the Delorto manual. [thumbsup]
I was wanting to try more affordable carbs. The TMs are alot of bang for the buck. 40 deg is a lot for what is a side draft carb. I wonder how the float system copes.



Very nice SS.

The 1100 in your MTS is a great motor too .

I bet they go for over 1000 Euro!

Nope, Compralo Subito=Buy it now.
Catch it while you can. [evil] ;)

I put my buddy with a 1992 Superlight onto it. [thumbsup] Got kids University fees, otherwise I would have snapped them up.

Two of my kids are looking at buying a 92 400 SS. If they do I guess in time I could look for a 900 motor [evil].

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/1024x768_bestfit%201_zpsyjjhne7e.jpg)

Poor man's flatslides ;D. No accelerator pump. But you get chokes (enrichening circuit) for which you can buy extended cables.
You gotta run 'em horizontalish on short manifolds. That's about $500 Aussie Pesos for a pair with matching throttle with 2 into 1 cables. You need pod filters and cut n shut oem manifolds or get Mikuni or Malossi manifolds. The Mikuni rubber manifolds are quite affordable. You could run a Mikuni pulse pump with dual outlet.

Do those come with (or can they be bought) a 4-stroke style emulsion tube (I call 'em a needle jet)?

These are the 4 stroke versions but the TMX is the two banger version. Im guessing the needle jet is quite different. I'd want to polish the bell mouth however.

Well, its back to Plan A. Long manifold polished pearl M900. It will at least be cheaper with ported oem carbs

Kids have selected the Monster path after much consideration of Ducati options and even small capacity Motards.
A Monster it shall be.

I'll have to wait for a customer with an SS for plan B.

What I have so far.
Nichols engine to frame bolts.
Spare manifolds to port.
Ported BDST38 carbs.
DJ Jet kit and spare Mikuni jets.
Airbox and modified velocity stacks. I'll "enlarge" it and use a K&N Pani filter on top (fits better than the DU0900).
Mikuni quick action throttle with single cable operation.
Motowheels oil filler cap. :D
Alloy clutch basket and Vee Two billet hub. Alloy friction plate kit.
Just need motor and hi comp pistons. [laugh]

https://www.google.com/search?q=ducati+monster+900+engine+for+sale&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS665US665&oq=ducati+monster+900+engine&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.15942j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=ducati+monster+900+engine+for+sale&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS665US665&oq=ducati+monster+900+engine&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.15942j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

Better add some sort of OZ qualifier to that search.

Shipping a motor to Australia would cost more than a Ducati.

He can just search here.

http://elgoog.im/ (http://elgoog.im/)

More like here (http://elgoog.im/search/?q=upsidedown+google)

 :D

Smartasses [laugh]

Nibor has a 900ie motor up the road..

What I have so far.
Nichols engine to frame bolts.
Spare manifolds to port.
Ported BDST38 carbs.
DJ Jet kit and spare Mikuni jets.
Airbox and modified velocity stacks. I'll "enlarge" it and use a K&N Pani filter on top (fits better than the DU0900).
Mikuni quick action throttle with single cable operation.
Motowheels oil filler cap. :D
Alloy clutch basket and Vee Two billet hub. Alloy friction plate kit.
Add a K&N breather kit.


Need:
Motor & JE pistons (minor detail)
Heavy duty engine studs if necessary
Ignitech
Exactfit coils
Light flywheel either a machined stocker or Nichols or Yoyodyne.

Good luck on this bike !
I love my 1.5 lb Yoyodyne flywheel. The stock one was 4.5 lbs I believe ('98 m900)

It seems to accelerate and decal with quicker response. It does "hunt" and surge a tiny more at lower rpm's, bike wants to be on the gas more than stock. Doesn't like trolling as much as stock. Monsters are made for hopping around cities/ short distance rips- so I like it.

One of the Nichols ones was 9 oz. Prob a bit too light for street use.

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/8B82CD0A-7930-4DAE-8D8C-B3ECCB798CF1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/8B82CD0A-7930-4DAE-8D8C-B3ECCB798CF1.jpg.html)


http://www.bikeexif.com/ducati-monster-900-redmax (http://www.bikeexif.com/ducati-monster-900-redmax)

I was leaning towards a Yoyodyne flywheel or machined stocker. A stock flywheel with a kilo off at about 900 gms I have used previously and it was an excellent compromise. The bike had FCRs and I thought that with stock carbs the motor may tolerate a lighter Nichols flywheel. The CV carbs do soften and smooth things out with their slow response. I cant envisage affording FCRs again. If the kids ride the bike I will leave the heavy flywheel until they want more.

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A mate needed a motor as his 944 was buggered. The above cosmetically tarted up motor is from my old Monster (ported, hi comp, light flywheel, dialed cams). A local dyno showed 86hp and 68ft/lbs with this motor.
I actually have an option to buy into part ownership of this bike which also has an Ohlins shock, carbon parts, Custom paint, Exactfit coils, Ignitech and FCR41s. The frame was painted while the motor was out and various tank leaks repaired. The bike is a 94 model and we looked around to find the closest Ford colour we could find to match the frame paint (that silverish, goldish, light bronzey Ducati colour of the era).

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The original frame paint was terrible and acid damaged so the fresh paint (also cleared to bring out the sparkle) really made a difference. The suspension linkages and "new" motor were done too just to keep up with the frame paint. Wheel paint was good and tank just needed a cut and polish, but we will see after it's leaks have been repaired. Really like this bike and since it has the motor from my former bike I feel a connection to it.

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/20160808_181623_zpszedlfurd.jpeg)

Taking shape. I had to swap swingarms between the 94 and 95 models. I like the cobby look of the 93/94 models. Just a bit tougher and raw.

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/20160911_092532_zpsuhjxmer5.jpg)

Just about done except for the tank which was leaking. We will see how bad the paint has been damaged. It leaked from quite a few areas and not just the hinge.

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/20160911_092507_zpsyxwvhzw1.jpg)

It has a few additions like the tachometer and some billet, anodized stuff. Nice. The bike gets ridden hard and is no show pony. The suspension on this bike is really nice with Ohlins on the rear, don't know what was done to the forks but they feel great.

Looks great. 👍🏻👍🏻

If you want perfect match for frame Gold:


http://www.motorradlack.de/produktliste/ducati/ducati-spritzlack/ (http://www.motorradlack.de/produktliste/ducati/ducati-spritzlack/)
Ducati Rahmen gold met.Bj. 95 / Ducati frame gold met. 1995      49-3025/4

Touched up mine many times, you wouldn`t know where....

Thanks.
Is that the earlier colour or the later 916 Gold? Our dealer told me they no longer stocked colour samples anymore.
I have found touch up Ducati colours which I ordered from the U.S. but had to either colour match or find an auto colour that was close for larger volumes. I thought the frame colour changed in 95.

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Ready for summer. A shop called Brown Davis repaired and pressure tested the tank leaving most of the paint intact so that only the hinge area required a touch up to protect it. Me mate has time to decide what he wants to do for future colour schemes. He'll probably pick up another tank and have it prepped then painted. I have been told Brown Davis have made tanks for the military including the US. I saw a tank about a cubic meter in capacity that had been dropped from 9-10 meters while full as part of the testing regime. It was dented but intact. The guy that does the welding said he sees quite a few Ducati Monster tanks.

Nice bike. I do enjoy the 900 motors.

(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/tonykokonis/20160927_121742_zpsmqtnehob.jpg)
I hope to be part owner in time for summer.

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Yeah the pre 95 colour was more silver bronze with gold fleck, more champagne like.

What's the name of the Ford colour you used?

I'll ask around as me mate had the can.